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The second external link supposedly goes to an article on Hochuli being puzzled about his celebrity status, but instead goes to a short article explaining who the crew for that Superbowl will be, and how they were chosen. Darquis 18:40, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
Who's the fucking genius who provided the 'Stan Kemp' link? It goes to a list of one-time NHLers. Seriously, what is the matter with you guys? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jakomull ( talk • contribs) 08:23, 1 May 2007 (UTC).
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Congratulations; this article has passed the GA nomination process! It's obvious a lot of work has gone into it...it's outstanding. I was really impressed with the quality of the references, and how his personality and life outside of football are so well integrated into the article.
Looking towards the future, the non-free status of the pictures currently included might hold it back from A or FA status. Playing devil's advocate, I could imagine someone arguing, "you could just go to a game and take his picture, so it's not impossible to get a free alternative." Also, I would suggest only listing the lowest and highest seniority per-game salary levels in the examples of offical's pay before the 2001 contract agreement.
Thanks for your great contribution to Wikipedia, and good luck with the article in the future! Monowi 08:32, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
The article on Ed Hochuli is no longer factual. Prior to this past weekend, he may have been one of the most respected referees in the NFL. This is no longer true. He is currently the least respected referee in the NFL. A large number of football fans do not believe he should be a referee in the NFL. Therefore the article should be corrected according to rule number 2, to state that he is the least respected referee in the NFL. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.27.63.51 ( talk) 05:31, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
I know that some of the edits on the San Diego Chargers and Denver Broncos game were rude and not within reason, but there was one edit that was good. Why did someone delete it? Wait until monday, when the papers come out. If you want citations, I will give you 50 tomorrow. Jojhutton ( talk) 03:39, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
I've got a pretty good paragraph about that game in there now with three different citations of articles which mention Hochuli specifically, two of them in the title of the article. Feel free to edit if you think I've covered it inappropriately, but I certainly think this game qualifies as a significant game for Hochuli. Jredwards ( talk) 16:39, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
I'm not sure how necessary it is to mention the "interception" that was unable to be reviewed in the first half. It did have a big impact in the game, setting up an easy TD for the Broncos, but compared to everything that happened later on, it almost seems like more of an early sidenote. Hochuli's amazingly poor decision to blow Cutler's fumble dead is what really made this game notable, and that definitely warrants being included in this article. ChargersFan ( talk) 18:56, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
As an aside, I've now cited the league indicating that this call may potentially result in a changing of NFL rules. I think that places it squarely in the "significant" category. Jredwards ( talk) 20:24, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
As another aside, I would point out that whoever removed the first edits also took it upon himself to LOCK this page! Talk about a questionable call. Huangdi ( talk) 00:51, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
So another user deletd part of the article without even having a discussion. What is wrong with these people. Jojhutton ( talk) 02:50, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
Once this thing gets unlocked, can we get the score at the time of the ref-urrection inserted? It's relevant data.
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I'm alright with removing the reference to Peter King bashing Hochuli, but I've edited the article to re-insert a fact that King mentioned: the call changed the outcome of the game. I think that's important to note. Jredwards ( talk) 15:50, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
I have extended the semi-protection for at least another week because a couple of anonymous users recently vandalised the article after the original protection expired, and the media is still talking about it (which may lead more people to want to vandalise the page). Again, my position is that as long as everything is reasonably cited, and everyone agrees that it does not violate WP:NPOV, WP:BLP, etc., I will be neutral on the content for now. But I will probably not make an actual opinion on its the long term status of the content until at least after the league meetings in Spring 2009 when they might discuss a possible rule change. Cheers. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 05:10, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
The current update is awful. It is full of opinion about referees huddling after every call, it is not neutral and partly implies that Hochuli wanted Denver to win. It is yellow-journalism at its best. Big2cat ( talk) 17:27, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
I have added information which is very pertinent to the controversy surrounding Hochuli's call late in the game. Without knowing at least some details of the circumstances at the time the call occurred -- such as where the line of scrimmage was prior to the call being made, the reader might not understand why this particular officiating error was considered so controversial. I did not add any commentary such as "probably cost San Diego the game" or anything like that, I merely listed some pertinent and factual details. ChargersFan ( talk) 20:43, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
First of all, it's not wikified. The W should not be capitalized. Second, have we polled coaches and players since the game occurred to determine if said statement is true? If it is, sure, leave it, but I doubt there is any official data out on that yet, asides from Charger fan bias. (I'm sure Broncos fans think he's pretty awesome). At the very least, fix the typo! Yes, I'm nitpicking, but fix it anyway! Ravenmasterq ( talk) 04:49, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
Why is there no mention of his 2007 5 game suspension for HGH use? Is it because of certain rules on Biographies of living persons? If so, I will look into it. It seems very important information and although it does not show Hochuli in a very good light, it is true and can be cited.-- Jojhutton ( talk) 23:47, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
I see that Hochuli is at the center of another controversial call, but I do not think that this is worthy of mention.
Just to clear this incident once and for all, according to Director of Officiating Mike Pereira from his comments on the NFL Network, the contact by Peppers was considered ILLEGAL. See link for video: [5]. I urge all editors to please discontinue making reference to this incident in the article. It's time to move on. RyguyMN ( talk) 06:29, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
In fact, Peppers was fined by the league for the hit on the quarterback, according to this AP story: [6]. RyguyMN ( talk) 06:34, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
So under Family there is: "Shawn Hochuli played college football at Pomona College"
Pomona College and Pitzer College have combined Pomona-Pitzer athletics, and as far as I can tell, Shawn is a Pitzer graduate ( http://www.pomona.edu/Magazine/pcmf99/39pcmf99.shtml ; http://www.pitzer.edu/participant_online/pdf/2009_spring.pdf). So this should probably either say "Shawn Hochuli played college football for Pomona-Pitzer" or maybe "Shawn Hochuli played college football at Pitzer College" with appropriate college links. Concentriccircles ( talk) 06:37, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
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The second external link supposedly goes to an article on Hochuli being puzzled about his celebrity status, but instead goes to a short article explaining who the crew for that Superbowl will be, and how they were chosen. Darquis 18:40, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
Who's the fucking genius who provided the 'Stan Kemp' link? It goes to a list of one-time NHLers. Seriously, what is the matter with you guys? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jakomull ( talk • contribs) 08:23, 1 May 2007 (UTC).
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Congratulations; this article has passed the GA nomination process! It's obvious a lot of work has gone into it...it's outstanding. I was really impressed with the quality of the references, and how his personality and life outside of football are so well integrated into the article.
Looking towards the future, the non-free status of the pictures currently included might hold it back from A or FA status. Playing devil's advocate, I could imagine someone arguing, "you could just go to a game and take his picture, so it's not impossible to get a free alternative." Also, I would suggest only listing the lowest and highest seniority per-game salary levels in the examples of offical's pay before the 2001 contract agreement.
Thanks for your great contribution to Wikipedia, and good luck with the article in the future! Monowi 08:32, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
The article on Ed Hochuli is no longer factual. Prior to this past weekend, he may have been one of the most respected referees in the NFL. This is no longer true. He is currently the least respected referee in the NFL. A large number of football fans do not believe he should be a referee in the NFL. Therefore the article should be corrected according to rule number 2, to state that he is the least respected referee in the NFL. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.27.63.51 ( talk) 05:31, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
I know that some of the edits on the San Diego Chargers and Denver Broncos game were rude and not within reason, but there was one edit that was good. Why did someone delete it? Wait until monday, when the papers come out. If you want citations, I will give you 50 tomorrow. Jojhutton ( talk) 03:39, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
I've got a pretty good paragraph about that game in there now with three different citations of articles which mention Hochuli specifically, two of them in the title of the article. Feel free to edit if you think I've covered it inappropriately, but I certainly think this game qualifies as a significant game for Hochuli. Jredwards ( talk) 16:39, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
I'm not sure how necessary it is to mention the "interception" that was unable to be reviewed in the first half. It did have a big impact in the game, setting up an easy TD for the Broncos, but compared to everything that happened later on, it almost seems like more of an early sidenote. Hochuli's amazingly poor decision to blow Cutler's fumble dead is what really made this game notable, and that definitely warrants being included in this article. ChargersFan ( talk) 18:56, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
As an aside, I've now cited the league indicating that this call may potentially result in a changing of NFL rules. I think that places it squarely in the "significant" category. Jredwards ( talk) 20:24, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
As another aside, I would point out that whoever removed the first edits also took it upon himself to LOCK this page! Talk about a questionable call. Huangdi ( talk) 00:51, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
So another user deletd part of the article without even having a discussion. What is wrong with these people. Jojhutton ( talk) 02:50, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
Once this thing gets unlocked, can we get the score at the time of the ref-urrection inserted? It's relevant data.
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I'm alright with removing the reference to Peter King bashing Hochuli, but I've edited the article to re-insert a fact that King mentioned: the call changed the outcome of the game. I think that's important to note. Jredwards ( talk) 15:50, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
I have extended the semi-protection for at least another week because a couple of anonymous users recently vandalised the article after the original protection expired, and the media is still talking about it (which may lead more people to want to vandalise the page). Again, my position is that as long as everything is reasonably cited, and everyone agrees that it does not violate WP:NPOV, WP:BLP, etc., I will be neutral on the content for now. But I will probably not make an actual opinion on its the long term status of the content until at least after the league meetings in Spring 2009 when they might discuss a possible rule change. Cheers. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 05:10, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
The current update is awful. It is full of opinion about referees huddling after every call, it is not neutral and partly implies that Hochuli wanted Denver to win. It is yellow-journalism at its best. Big2cat ( talk) 17:27, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
I have added information which is very pertinent to the controversy surrounding Hochuli's call late in the game. Without knowing at least some details of the circumstances at the time the call occurred -- such as where the line of scrimmage was prior to the call being made, the reader might not understand why this particular officiating error was considered so controversial. I did not add any commentary such as "probably cost San Diego the game" or anything like that, I merely listed some pertinent and factual details. ChargersFan ( talk) 20:43, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
First of all, it's not wikified. The W should not be capitalized. Second, have we polled coaches and players since the game occurred to determine if said statement is true? If it is, sure, leave it, but I doubt there is any official data out on that yet, asides from Charger fan bias. (I'm sure Broncos fans think he's pretty awesome). At the very least, fix the typo! Yes, I'm nitpicking, but fix it anyway! Ravenmasterq ( talk) 04:49, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
Why is there no mention of his 2007 5 game suspension for HGH use? Is it because of certain rules on Biographies of living persons? If so, I will look into it. It seems very important information and although it does not show Hochuli in a very good light, it is true and can be cited.-- Jojhutton ( talk) 23:47, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
I see that Hochuli is at the center of another controversial call, but I do not think that this is worthy of mention.
Just to clear this incident once and for all, according to Director of Officiating Mike Pereira from his comments on the NFL Network, the contact by Peppers was considered ILLEGAL. See link for video: [5]. I urge all editors to please discontinue making reference to this incident in the article. It's time to move on. RyguyMN ( talk) 06:29, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
In fact, Peppers was fined by the league for the hit on the quarterback, according to this AP story: [6]. RyguyMN ( talk) 06:34, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
So under Family there is: "Shawn Hochuli played college football at Pomona College"
Pomona College and Pitzer College have combined Pomona-Pitzer athletics, and as far as I can tell, Shawn is a Pitzer graduate ( http://www.pomona.edu/Magazine/pcmf99/39pcmf99.shtml ; http://www.pitzer.edu/participant_online/pdf/2009_spring.pdf). So this should probably either say "Shawn Hochuli played college football for Pomona-Pitzer" or maybe "Shawn Hochuli played college football at Pitzer College" with appropriate college links. Concentriccircles ( talk) 06:37, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
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