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3 years after Delief called for reorganization and this topic has yet to be addressed. The entire article needs a major overhaul, a decreased reliance on POV statistics published in the CIA Factbook, and a serious increase in citations. There are a number of quotations directly from either books or politicians that are completely un-cited. This article requires serious work. If no one addresses it within the next few weeks I will take the duty upon myself. Bellfazar ( talk) 02:50, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
Further, I have found that most of the section entitled "Debt restructuring and the role of the IMF" is lifted directly from argentour.com without citation which is inconsistent with both Wikipedia policy and the Creative Commons license that argentour.com uses. Bellfazar ( talk) 06:57, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
It's lower now as is the poverty index —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.126.236.40 ( talk) 09:10, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
Poverty line is now 25%. Could someone look up the new numbers and update the table?
I'm adding a 'needs attention' template message to this article. It needs major topical reorganization. It borrows heavily from the CIA World Factbook. A seperate 'History' section might be useful. Delief 19:10, Dec 26, 2004 (UTC)
It is incredibable that wikipedia doesn't cover the recent developments in the economic sector in argentina, since the CIA is not a really credible source in this game it needs serious attention by some local activist groups who are part of the changes going on. (a reader)
Poverty is now 23%; why hasn't this been updated for so long?
I've touched a few things here and there, reorganized the sections, and moved a couple to separate articles. Things to be mentioned or expanded in this article or its children, off the top of my head:
-- Pablo D. Flores ( Talk) 14:03, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
Current policies are a touchy issue. I've just removed this...
... since I believe it's more an editorial piece than a fact. Kirchner did not nationalize anything: the government withdrew concessions from private companies. "State control" is a very broad term and suggests massive interventionism. Monetary expansion does not imply inflation, and it's only some people who claim that expanding the economy produces inflation. The monetary base has in fact decreased lately, as you can easily check, so in fact what's really meant by those analysts (you know who) is that paying higher (decent) salaries to low- and middle-class workers who lost purchasing power during the devaluation is bad, while e. g. lowering exports taxes is good...
... None of which should go into the article. In short, I suggest that we stick to dry figures and indisputable facts (for example, "the government has withdrawn the concessions of X and Y, and the state has re-gained control of Z and W services, though there are plans to re-privatize Z"). Plus all the sources (references to press articles) that are needed. -- Pablo D. Flores ( Talk) 17:52, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
9.6 % inflation is not an indisputable fact. There's been controversy about those figures. I travel there often (three or four times a year) and I can tell you right now people are laughing at the alleged 9%. Andres, Nov. 2007. (NSU) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.86.200.65 ( talk) 00:49, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
I done an updated to the economic table, i used this one because its widely used in other economy pages and i though it would be good to keep and standard through out the economic country section —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ckill ( talk • contribs) 23:16, 11 March 2007 (UTC).
Here can be viewed a ticket to a recent major motion picture, apparently purchased in Argentina for $8.00 ARS (a little over 2.50 USD for activities/services that normally go for around 8-11 USD). knoodelhed ( talk) 22:49, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
Maddison, Angus. The World Economy: A Millennial Perspective--cited at http://www.cei.gov.ar/revista/06/parte%204beng.pdf does not say that. Any reliable source to confirm this assertion? Codik ( talk) 13:56, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
I saw in the history page of "Talk:Economy of Argentina", that the aforementioned discussion page has been moved here, so I think I should discuss here about the article "Economy of Argentina". If that's not the case, tell me so and I will delete my section and post it at the discussion page of that article. In the section "income equality" of the article, it says textually that "The social gap is worst in the suburbs of the capital, where beneficiaries of the economic rebound live in gated communities, and many of the poor (particularly illegal immigrants) live in slums called villas miserias.". If I'm not mistaken, there is no such a thing as "illegal" inmigrants in Argentina, only undocumented inmigrants, since the Constitution states as its purpose to secure the blessings of liberty to "all men of the world who wish to dwell on Argentine soil". In fact you can verify that in the Wikipedia article about Illegal Inmigratrion ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration#Argentina). I don't know who added the illegal inmigrants phrase arround parentheses, since the citation link that is used to verify that paragraph doesn't even mention the word. The statement in parentheses about "illegal inmigrants" should be deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.125.89.95 ( talk) 05:42, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
This article is in a good shape, but there are many topics that are either just suggested or directly ommited. I will list some of them.
From the colonial economy section: "nor established native civilizations to subject to the encomienda" ... "feudalist society, based on work relations such as the encomienda". As the first one is unsourced, I would suggest its removal. This one too: "Milcíades Peña consider this historical period as pre-capitalist, as the production was destined to overseas markets" ... "agriculture and livestock had little to do with foreign trade, as the output was principally consumed by the producers themselves and by the small local market". Presumably in the former case it refers to either a later period, or a different kind of (non-agricultural) exports. For the sake of clarity, it should be specified.-- Frère Jacques ( talk) 02:46, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
When a certain book is used more than once, just at different pages, it's not needed to include the full cite book template as reference in each case. It is better to list the book in a "Bibliography" section, and then each reference should be the surname of the author and the page, as in "Ferrer, p. 22". In the long run, the reference section becomes more ordered and legible. Cambalachero ( talk) 15:02, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
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This article has been sitting around for a long time at WP:GAN (in round figures, five months), and its also quite a long article, so for these two reasons I decided to review it.
I think that this article could make GA-status this time time. On the plus side, it appears to be comprehensive (its long); it's well illustrated and well referenced. On the minus side, I don't believe that the WP:Lead is compliant (in addition, its not easy to read); and I don't like the Colonial economy section, most of that was stating what Argentina was not. I would have expected an encyclopaedia, and that is what wikipedia is, to state what a "thing" is, not what a "thing" is not. On that basis, not not going to "quick fail" this article: I will review it.
I'm now start a full review of this article, section by section. I normally leave the WP:Lead until last and I will do the same here. However, in this review I'm going to start at the Post-independence transition section, work my way to the end, then do Colonial economy and then the Lead.
As this is a long article, this part of the review is likely to take me several days.
I'm quite happy for the nominator and/or other editors to post comments, questions, etc. If they relate to a particular section of the review, I'm happy for them to immediately follow my comments. Pyrotec ( talk) 16:12, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
....stopping for now. To be continued. Pyrotec ( talk) 17:02, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
....stopping for now. To be continued. Pyrotec ( talk) 18:15, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
Present-day Argentina, unlike Mexico or Peru, did not become an important centre of the Spanish colonial economy because it had fewer economic advantages.[8] There were no deposits of gold or other precious metals (even though the name Argentina means 'land of silver')[9] nor established native civilizations to subject to the encomienda. Only two-thirds of present Argentina was occupied: almost one third of the consisted of the Patagonian Plateau, which was unoccupied during ......
At this stage I'm putting the review On Hold. I'm willing to respond to any or all of these points (it helps if specific comments are place below the point in the review where I have made them). Pyrotec ( talk) 16:40, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
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An interesting and informative article on the Economic history of Argentina
Congratulations on a fine article. I suspect that with a bit more work this article could possibly make WP:FAC, but I would recommend submitting it to WP:PR first. The WP:Lead, I suspect, would need some more work to take it beyond GA. However, this is a good article and quite a strong Good Article. Pyrotec ( talk) 20:01, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
This article is about a specfic country, not about international economy as a whole. We don't need several sections "list of country by..." figures. By the way, they are all unreferenced. Cambalachero ( talk) 02:30, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
Should we subject this article to peer review? Lbertolotti ( talk) 15:14, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
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Very good article, which thoroughly describes the economic history of Argentina. I did not detect inaccuracies nor serious omissions. Below are some references that may be useful to improve the article or simply to recommend for further reading:
Di Tella, Guido, and Carlos Rodriguez Braun (1990), Argentina, 1946-83: The Economic Ministers Speak, New York, NY: St. Martin’s Press.
Dornbush, Rudiger and Sebastian Edwards, eds. (1991), The Macroeconomics of Populism in Latin America, Chicago, IL: The University of Chicago Press.
Kiguel, Miguel, and Nissan Leviatan (1991), “The Inflation-Stabilization Cycles in Argentina and Brazil,” in Bruno, Michael, et al., editors, Lessons of Economic Stabilization and its Aftermath, Cambridge, MA: MIT Press, 191-232.
Murphy, Ricardo Lopez and Federico Sturzenegger (1996) “The Feasibility of Low Inflation: Application to the Argentine Case, The Journal of Policy Reform, 1(1), 47-73.
Pazos, Felipe (1972), Chronic Inflation in Latin America, New York, NY: Praeger Publishers.
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"By 1950, Argentina's GDP per capita accounted fell to less than half of that of the United States." Is "GDP per capita accounted" a technical term in economics, or is this sentence improperly edited? If the former, an explanation or a link would help; if the latter, then the sentence should be edited, perhaps deleting "accounted." Kdammers ( talk) 02:14, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
The content only goes up to around 2018. What has happened since then? Kdammers ( talk) 02:15, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
please, could you please stop the "black leyend", Thank you for pointing out the historical accuracy.
The term 'colonies' might not be the most accurate in the context of Spanish possessions in America. Instead, terms like 'viceroyalties,' 'captaincies general,' and 'audiencias' would be used, depending on the specific administrative structure of each region. For example, in America, Spain established viceroyalties such as the Viceroyalty of Peru and the Viceroyalty of New Spain (which included Mexico and parts of Central America), as well as captaincies general and audiencias. These entities had a considerable degree of administrative and judicial autonomy, though they were subordinate to the central government of Spain. 188.85.154.250 ( talk) 07:24, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
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3 years after Delief called for reorganization and this topic has yet to be addressed. The entire article needs a major overhaul, a decreased reliance on POV statistics published in the CIA Factbook, and a serious increase in citations. There are a number of quotations directly from either books or politicians that are completely un-cited. This article requires serious work. If no one addresses it within the next few weeks I will take the duty upon myself. Bellfazar ( talk) 02:50, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
Further, I have found that most of the section entitled "Debt restructuring and the role of the IMF" is lifted directly from argentour.com without citation which is inconsistent with both Wikipedia policy and the Creative Commons license that argentour.com uses. Bellfazar ( talk) 06:57, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
It's lower now as is the poverty index —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.126.236.40 ( talk) 09:10, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
Poverty line is now 25%. Could someone look up the new numbers and update the table?
I'm adding a 'needs attention' template message to this article. It needs major topical reorganization. It borrows heavily from the CIA World Factbook. A seperate 'History' section might be useful. Delief 19:10, Dec 26, 2004 (UTC)
It is incredibable that wikipedia doesn't cover the recent developments in the economic sector in argentina, since the CIA is not a really credible source in this game it needs serious attention by some local activist groups who are part of the changes going on. (a reader)
Poverty is now 23%; why hasn't this been updated for so long?
I've touched a few things here and there, reorganized the sections, and moved a couple to separate articles. Things to be mentioned or expanded in this article or its children, off the top of my head:
-- Pablo D. Flores ( Talk) 14:03, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
Current policies are a touchy issue. I've just removed this...
... since I believe it's more an editorial piece than a fact. Kirchner did not nationalize anything: the government withdrew concessions from private companies. "State control" is a very broad term and suggests massive interventionism. Monetary expansion does not imply inflation, and it's only some people who claim that expanding the economy produces inflation. The monetary base has in fact decreased lately, as you can easily check, so in fact what's really meant by those analysts (you know who) is that paying higher (decent) salaries to low- and middle-class workers who lost purchasing power during the devaluation is bad, while e. g. lowering exports taxes is good...
... None of which should go into the article. In short, I suggest that we stick to dry figures and indisputable facts (for example, "the government has withdrawn the concessions of X and Y, and the state has re-gained control of Z and W services, though there are plans to re-privatize Z"). Plus all the sources (references to press articles) that are needed. -- Pablo D. Flores ( Talk) 17:52, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
9.6 % inflation is not an indisputable fact. There's been controversy about those figures. I travel there often (three or four times a year) and I can tell you right now people are laughing at the alleged 9%. Andres, Nov. 2007. (NSU) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.86.200.65 ( talk) 00:49, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
I done an updated to the economic table, i used this one because its widely used in other economy pages and i though it would be good to keep and standard through out the economic country section —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ckill ( talk • contribs) 23:16, 11 March 2007 (UTC).
Here can be viewed a ticket to a recent major motion picture, apparently purchased in Argentina for $8.00 ARS (a little over 2.50 USD for activities/services that normally go for around 8-11 USD). knoodelhed ( talk) 22:49, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
Maddison, Angus. The World Economy: A Millennial Perspective--cited at http://www.cei.gov.ar/revista/06/parte%204beng.pdf does not say that. Any reliable source to confirm this assertion? Codik ( talk) 13:56, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
I saw in the history page of "Talk:Economy of Argentina", that the aforementioned discussion page has been moved here, so I think I should discuss here about the article "Economy of Argentina". If that's not the case, tell me so and I will delete my section and post it at the discussion page of that article. In the section "income equality" of the article, it says textually that "The social gap is worst in the suburbs of the capital, where beneficiaries of the economic rebound live in gated communities, and many of the poor (particularly illegal immigrants) live in slums called villas miserias.". If I'm not mistaken, there is no such a thing as "illegal" inmigrants in Argentina, only undocumented inmigrants, since the Constitution states as its purpose to secure the blessings of liberty to "all men of the world who wish to dwell on Argentine soil". In fact you can verify that in the Wikipedia article about Illegal Inmigratrion ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration#Argentina). I don't know who added the illegal inmigrants phrase arround parentheses, since the citation link that is used to verify that paragraph doesn't even mention the word. The statement in parentheses about "illegal inmigrants" should be deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.125.89.95 ( talk) 05:42, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
This article is in a good shape, but there are many topics that are either just suggested or directly ommited. I will list some of them.
From the colonial economy section: "nor established native civilizations to subject to the encomienda" ... "feudalist society, based on work relations such as the encomienda". As the first one is unsourced, I would suggest its removal. This one too: "Milcíades Peña consider this historical period as pre-capitalist, as the production was destined to overseas markets" ... "agriculture and livestock had little to do with foreign trade, as the output was principally consumed by the producers themselves and by the small local market". Presumably in the former case it refers to either a later period, or a different kind of (non-agricultural) exports. For the sake of clarity, it should be specified.-- Frère Jacques ( talk) 02:46, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
When a certain book is used more than once, just at different pages, it's not needed to include the full cite book template as reference in each case. It is better to list the book in a "Bibliography" section, and then each reference should be the surname of the author and the page, as in "Ferrer, p. 22". In the long run, the reference section becomes more ordered and legible. Cambalachero ( talk) 15:02, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
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This article has been sitting around for a long time at WP:GAN (in round figures, five months), and its also quite a long article, so for these two reasons I decided to review it.
I think that this article could make GA-status this time time. On the plus side, it appears to be comprehensive (its long); it's well illustrated and well referenced. On the minus side, I don't believe that the WP:Lead is compliant (in addition, its not easy to read); and I don't like the Colonial economy section, most of that was stating what Argentina was not. I would have expected an encyclopaedia, and that is what wikipedia is, to state what a "thing" is, not what a "thing" is not. On that basis, not not going to "quick fail" this article: I will review it.
I'm now start a full review of this article, section by section. I normally leave the WP:Lead until last and I will do the same here. However, in this review I'm going to start at the Post-independence transition section, work my way to the end, then do Colonial economy and then the Lead.
As this is a long article, this part of the review is likely to take me several days.
I'm quite happy for the nominator and/or other editors to post comments, questions, etc. If they relate to a particular section of the review, I'm happy for them to immediately follow my comments. Pyrotec ( talk) 16:12, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
....stopping for now. To be continued. Pyrotec ( talk) 17:02, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
....stopping for now. To be continued. Pyrotec ( talk) 18:15, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
Present-day Argentina, unlike Mexico or Peru, did not become an important centre of the Spanish colonial economy because it had fewer economic advantages.[8] There were no deposits of gold or other precious metals (even though the name Argentina means 'land of silver')[9] nor established native civilizations to subject to the encomienda. Only two-thirds of present Argentina was occupied: almost one third of the consisted of the Patagonian Plateau, which was unoccupied during ......
At this stage I'm putting the review On Hold. I'm willing to respond to any or all of these points (it helps if specific comments are place below the point in the review where I have made them). Pyrotec ( talk) 16:40, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria
An interesting and informative article on the Economic history of Argentina
Congratulations on a fine article. I suspect that with a bit more work this article could possibly make WP:FAC, but I would recommend submitting it to WP:PR first. The WP:Lead, I suspect, would need some more work to take it beyond GA. However, this is a good article and quite a strong Good Article. Pyrotec ( talk) 20:01, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
This article is about a specfic country, not about international economy as a whole. We don't need several sections "list of country by..." figures. By the way, they are all unreferenced. Cambalachero ( talk) 02:30, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
Should we subject this article to peer review? Lbertolotti ( talk) 15:14, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
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Dr. Veiga has reviewed this Wikipedia page, and provided us with the following comments to improve its quality:
Very good article, which thoroughly describes the economic history of Argentina. I did not detect inaccuracies nor serious omissions. Below are some references that may be useful to improve the article or simply to recommend for further reading:
Di Tella, Guido, and Carlos Rodriguez Braun (1990), Argentina, 1946-83: The Economic Ministers Speak, New York, NY: St. Martin’s Press.
Dornbush, Rudiger and Sebastian Edwards, eds. (1991), The Macroeconomics of Populism in Latin America, Chicago, IL: The University of Chicago Press.
Kiguel, Miguel, and Nissan Leviatan (1991), “The Inflation-Stabilization Cycles in Argentina and Brazil,” in Bruno, Michael, et al., editors, Lessons of Economic Stabilization and its Aftermath, Cambridge, MA: MIT Press, 191-232.
Murphy, Ricardo Lopez and Federico Sturzenegger (1996) “The Feasibility of Low Inflation: Application to the Argentine Case, The Journal of Policy Reform, 1(1), 47-73.
Pazos, Felipe (1972), Chronic Inflation in Latin America, New York, NY: Praeger Publishers.
We hope Wikipedians on this talk page can take advantage of these comments and improve the quality of the article accordingly.
We believe Dr. Veiga has expertise on the topic of this article, since he has published relevant scholarly research:
ExpertIdeasBot ( talk) 18:23, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
"By 1950, Argentina's GDP per capita accounted fell to less than half of that of the United States." Is "GDP per capita accounted" a technical term in economics, or is this sentence improperly edited? If the former, an explanation or a link would help; if the latter, then the sentence should be edited, perhaps deleting "accounted." Kdammers ( talk) 02:14, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
The content only goes up to around 2018. What has happened since then? Kdammers ( talk) 02:15, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
please, could you please stop the "black leyend", Thank you for pointing out the historical accuracy.
The term 'colonies' might not be the most accurate in the context of Spanish possessions in America. Instead, terms like 'viceroyalties,' 'captaincies general,' and 'audiencias' would be used, depending on the specific administrative structure of each region. For example, in America, Spain established viceroyalties such as the Viceroyalty of Peru and the Viceroyalty of New Spain (which included Mexico and parts of Central America), as well as captaincies general and audiencias. These entities had a considerable degree of administrative and judicial autonomy, though they were subordinate to the central government of Spain. 188.85.154.250 ( talk) 07:24, 15 April 2024 (UTC)