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105.236.86.22 recently added a lot of material to this article, which I have removed for the following reasons:
1) The source on which the edits were based was "Genocide Watch", an advocacy group which among other things claims there is a genocide against whites going on in South Africa. While controversial sources in themselves might be useful if used in a balanced way (such as citing them alongside otherwise slanted and/or balanced sources where the controversies are part of the article's subject matter), presenting information from such a source as undisputed fact, as 105.236.86.22's did, is a clear violation of
WP:NPOV;
2) Even beyond its clear POV slant, the tone of the edits was totally unencyclopedic (e.g. "Malema ... has a red beret with the inscription on it which he doesn't know how to wear properly", etc.). The POV pushing wasn't particularly subtle; and
3) Most of the information added was about the various controversies surrounding Julius Malema, a subject already covered in a more neutral way in his
eponymous article.
I'm no fan of Malema or the EFF, and I think the many criticisms of them should be included in this article, but it should abide by NPOV. And it should be in a "Criticisms" section, not take up the whole article, as it briefly did.
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A. Pseudonym (
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18:11, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
The info box is broken and I have no idea why, it looks okay in the code.-- Inayity ( talk) 19:38, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
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This article is grotesquely lacking in information. The likely reasons behind this seem to be related to the above criticism from Pseudonym. There is no positive information about the party whatsoever -- meaning nothing affirmative. What is the party's platform? What are its stated aims? There's virtually nothing of substance to the piece -- just a few names and then criticisms.
Typical. deeceevoice ( talk) 16:20, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
Someone recently reinstated "anti-white racism" in the infobox after it had been removed. The citations are simply opinions from opposing parties, and are not NPOV. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.192.231.168 ( talk) 19:26, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
I've removed anti-white racism as ideology, since none of the sources stated support such claim. EFF does not porpose it's ideology as being such and there are no reports that sustain any type of systematic violence against whites being practiced or endorsed by the party. Henrique Mirenda — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2804:18:5800:2690:281C:33FE:E50:DE69 ( talk) 18:29, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
Why is there nothing about the tendency of their elected officials to dress as maids or laborers in Parliament? [1] -- AnonMoos ( talk) 21:44, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
I rarely see "racism" of any kind listed under the "ideology" heading of any political party on its wikipedia page. Even obviously racist parties such as an explicitly neo-Nazi party or something. Generally such parties have "white supremacism" listed under their ideology section. So it would make sense for this party to have "black supremacism" listed under its ideology, just to keep the style consistent. This is another clear example of Wikipedia's editors racial bias. Purporting a black liberation movement as being "anti white racists". Admin "Drmies" is one of the racists forwarding white supremacy over Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2804:18:5853:2577:14E6:1C98:8619:57 ( talk) 20:26, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
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The party is fascist or racial nationalist its been well sourced. somebody has wrongly Revert https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Economic_Freedom_Fighters&diff=857353833&oldid=857353425 the party is well known to have racial hate against white people and Indians. MroWikipedian ( talk) 05:46, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
Antisemitism is very similar in its core to the ideas of Strasserism. Which promoted an anti-capitalist, anti-imperialism jew sceptical ideology. Mainly due to the Jews overrepresentation in banks and idea of making more room for more germans. Because of the policies that restricted Christians from money lending by the Vatican. Strasserism also preached all human beings were equal. If they could integrate. But strasserism is by some reason considered far-right. Even thou it's clearly were socialist in its aims and goals. The only reason he is not considered at the same spectrum as Malema is because he is an European. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.228.32.21 ( talk) 21:38, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
Personally I think Strasser was a left-winger like Malema. I have no problem labouring EFF left-wing many left-wing movements have had racial motives. I just have a problem with people like Strasser being labelled far-right. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
85.228.32.21 (
talk)
22:50, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
There are more recent reports detailing not just opinion, but political insight into the EFF's ideology as both 'racialist' and 'nationalist' from the leading governmental party the ANC here https://www.politicsweb.co.za/opinion/anc-rejects-effs-racist-nationalism--jessie-duarte https://www.sapeople.com/2018/06/06/anc-calls-out-the-blatant-racist-nationalism-of-the-eff/ and also a stern review by Dawood of the Centre for Unity and Diversity https://www.biznews.com/thought-leaders/2018/06/22/diversity-body-eff-race-profiling — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.228.32.21 ( talk) 01:33, 14 July 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MrPreamble ( talk • contribs)
Given the large number and wide range of sources describing the EFF as a "fascist" party I wonder if it is not now time to list it as such in the infobox and introduction? -- Discott ( talk) 06:51, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
Being opposed to whites owning 80% of land and 70% of farms in a black majority country is not racist. 2600:1702:130:2230:D846:78DC:B87A:5150 ( talk) 18:16, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
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The spokesperson(s) needs to change from Vuyani Pambo to Sinawo Thambo (and Lee-Ann Mthys) Petrovunderwood ( talk) 22:38, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
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Archive 1 |
105.236.86.22 recently added a lot of material to this article, which I have removed for the following reasons:
1) The source on which the edits were based was "Genocide Watch", an advocacy group which among other things claims there is a genocide against whites going on in South Africa. While controversial sources in themselves might be useful if used in a balanced way (such as citing them alongside otherwise slanted and/or balanced sources where the controversies are part of the article's subject matter), presenting information from such a source as undisputed fact, as 105.236.86.22's did, is a clear violation of
WP:NPOV;
2) Even beyond its clear POV slant, the tone of the edits was totally unencyclopedic (e.g. "Malema ... has a red beret with the inscription on it which he doesn't know how to wear properly", etc.). The POV pushing wasn't particularly subtle; and
3) Most of the information added was about the various controversies surrounding Julius Malema, a subject already covered in a more neutral way in his
eponymous article.
I'm no fan of Malema or the EFF, and I think the many criticisms of them should be included in this article, but it should abide by NPOV. And it should be in a "Criticisms" section, not take up the whole article, as it briefly did.
—
A. Pseudonym (
talk)
18:11, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
The info box is broken and I have no idea why, it looks okay in the code.-- Inayity ( talk) 19:38, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
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This article is grotesquely lacking in information. The likely reasons behind this seem to be related to the above criticism from Pseudonym. There is no positive information about the party whatsoever -- meaning nothing affirmative. What is the party's platform? What are its stated aims? There's virtually nothing of substance to the piece -- just a few names and then criticisms.
Typical. deeceevoice ( talk) 16:20, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
Someone recently reinstated "anti-white racism" in the infobox after it had been removed. The citations are simply opinions from opposing parties, and are not NPOV. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.192.231.168 ( talk) 19:26, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
I've removed anti-white racism as ideology, since none of the sources stated support such claim. EFF does not porpose it's ideology as being such and there are no reports that sustain any type of systematic violence against whites being practiced or endorsed by the party. Henrique Mirenda — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2804:18:5800:2690:281C:33FE:E50:DE69 ( talk) 18:29, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
Why is there nothing about the tendency of their elected officials to dress as maids or laborers in Parliament? [1] -- AnonMoos ( talk) 21:44, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
I rarely see "racism" of any kind listed under the "ideology" heading of any political party on its wikipedia page. Even obviously racist parties such as an explicitly neo-Nazi party or something. Generally such parties have "white supremacism" listed under their ideology section. So it would make sense for this party to have "black supremacism" listed under its ideology, just to keep the style consistent. This is another clear example of Wikipedia's editors racial bias. Purporting a black liberation movement as being "anti white racists". Admin "Drmies" is one of the racists forwarding white supremacy over Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2804:18:5853:2577:14E6:1C98:8619:57 ( talk) 20:26, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 21 January 2020 and 16 May 2020. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): AmandaMiskell.
Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT ( talk) 20:26, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
The party is fascist or racial nationalist its been well sourced. somebody has wrongly Revert https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Economic_Freedom_Fighters&diff=857353833&oldid=857353425 the party is well known to have racial hate against white people and Indians. MroWikipedian ( talk) 05:46, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
Antisemitism is very similar in its core to the ideas of Strasserism. Which promoted an anti-capitalist, anti-imperialism jew sceptical ideology. Mainly due to the Jews overrepresentation in banks and idea of making more room for more germans. Because of the policies that restricted Christians from money lending by the Vatican. Strasserism also preached all human beings were equal. If they could integrate. But strasserism is by some reason considered far-right. Even thou it's clearly were socialist in its aims and goals. The only reason he is not considered at the same spectrum as Malema is because he is an European. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.228.32.21 ( talk) 21:38, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
Personally I think Strasser was a left-winger like Malema. I have no problem labouring EFF left-wing many left-wing movements have had racial motives. I just have a problem with people like Strasser being labelled far-right. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
85.228.32.21 (
talk)
22:50, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
There are more recent reports detailing not just opinion, but political insight into the EFF's ideology as both 'racialist' and 'nationalist' from the leading governmental party the ANC here https://www.politicsweb.co.za/opinion/anc-rejects-effs-racist-nationalism--jessie-duarte https://www.sapeople.com/2018/06/06/anc-calls-out-the-blatant-racist-nationalism-of-the-eff/ and also a stern review by Dawood of the Centre for Unity and Diversity https://www.biznews.com/thought-leaders/2018/06/22/diversity-body-eff-race-profiling — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.228.32.21 ( talk) 01:33, 14 July 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MrPreamble ( talk • contribs)
Given the large number and wide range of sources describing the EFF as a "fascist" party I wonder if it is not now time to list it as such in the infobox and introduction? -- Discott ( talk) 06:51, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
Being opposed to whites owning 80% of land and 70% of farms in a black majority country is not racist. 2600:1702:130:2230:D846:78DC:B87A:5150 ( talk) 18:16, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
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The spokesperson(s) needs to change from Vuyani Pambo to Sinawo Thambo (and Lee-Ann Mthys) Petrovunderwood ( talk) 22:38, 4 August 2022 (UTC)