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I reorganized this page a bit. Added the Church as "Bride of Christ" section. Clarified some sentences. Added end notes. -- Benz74 21:09, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Matthew 9:15 Jesus answered, "How can the guests of the bridegroom mourn while he is with them? The time will come when the bridegroom will be taken from them; then they will fast.
In the above verse we see that Jesus calls His followers the "guests of the bridegroom"
The 'Bride Of Christ' is not the church, but this is a relatively recent interpretation theologically of scripture. Developed in the mid 19th century by those that started the rapture idea (Darby, scofiled ect). In scripture the church is always presented as the 'Body of Christ" while the Bride of Christ is the city of God that comes down from heaven, were the Church will dwell. Note the scriptures in Revelation that you quoted. Hardyplants 11:30, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
Matthew 9:15 Jesus answered, "How can the guests of the bridegroom mourn while he is with them? The time will come when the bridegroom will be taken from them; then they will fast.
In the above verse we see that Jesus calls His followers the "guests of the bridegroom"
The 'Bride Of Christ' is not the church, but this is a relatively recent interpretation theologically of scripture. Developed in the mid 19th century by those that started the rapture idea (Darby, scofiled ect). In scripture the church is always presented as the 'Body of Christ" while the Bride of Christ is the city of God that comes down from heaven, were the Church will dwell. Note the scriptures in Revelation that you quoted. Hardyplants 11:30, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
Let me draw a simple analogy to [1]
I went to the computer store the other day and the salesman said, "Let me show you the latest operating system and productivity suite package called the 'Bride of Gates'." The salesman that talked to me had a tape measure in his hand, and he measured the box to be 12" X 8" X 4". The box had a hologram on it that shown bright as an Organic LED. It was wrapped in a gold ribbon with several coupons attached, each was shaped as a jewel, shining brightly. The box had many icons and pictures and could be opened from both ends. There was no operating manual within in it because it is now online. Replacing the limited life DVD is a flash memory card that will never decay for a million years.
... I immediately opened the package, discarded the contents into the trash and went back to my office to write a review on the "Bride of Gates". Btw, those Unix people that have recently started the "computer system that can instantly boot up" idea, headed by some old guys (Ritchie, Thompson, etc.), are responsible for coming up with the idea that the "Bride of Gates" is a collection of programs that can be uploaded to a server and downloaded by user-clients. Btw, that box that you see descending from the clouds in the TV commercial, well, in the monthly fliers, it is always represented as a pretty box for $499. Isn't that proof enough?
End of analogy. Diclaimer: No one should be offended, this is just my silly opinion.
I'll leave the references to you for quick lookup by phrase. I used the King james and maybe the NIV. But it's all there, and more.
"The 'Bride Of Christ' is not the church." False. The church, after the Lord's house cleaning; the remnant ... definitely the bride. It is not a building or a 4 walled citadel or national soil, but people.
The key is 'prepared as a bride" not "prepared as the bride". A dress can be prepared as a bride is prepared, and not be the bride herself. When the bride appears at her wedding, she is adorned in her gown. The bride is still a bride with or without the gown, but the beauty of her gown expresses/enhances the beauty of the bride to the groom. So does the Bibilical citadel in Revelation. It expresses (to us) the beauty of the remnant bride to the Lord. Thus the bride is a collective, not a perimiteral boundary.
Excuse any misplelings.
Where's the discussion about the merge? If no one objects, I'll take the merge template out in a few days. -- JaGa talk 02:57, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
Done. Merged into Christian Church. -- JaGa talk 06:00, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
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The contents of the Ecclesia (church) page were merged into Christian Church on 22 September 2008. For the contribution history and old versions of the merged article please see its history. |
I reorganized this page a bit. Added the Church as "Bride of Christ" section. Clarified some sentences. Added end notes. -- Benz74 21:09, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Matthew 9:15 Jesus answered, "How can the guests of the bridegroom mourn while he is with them? The time will come when the bridegroom will be taken from them; then they will fast.
In the above verse we see that Jesus calls His followers the "guests of the bridegroom"
The 'Bride Of Christ' is not the church, but this is a relatively recent interpretation theologically of scripture. Developed in the mid 19th century by those that started the rapture idea (Darby, scofiled ect). In scripture the church is always presented as the 'Body of Christ" while the Bride of Christ is the city of God that comes down from heaven, were the Church will dwell. Note the scriptures in Revelation that you quoted. Hardyplants 11:30, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
Matthew 9:15 Jesus answered, "How can the guests of the bridegroom mourn while he is with them? The time will come when the bridegroom will be taken from them; then they will fast.
In the above verse we see that Jesus calls His followers the "guests of the bridegroom"
The 'Bride Of Christ' is not the church, but this is a relatively recent interpretation theologically of scripture. Developed in the mid 19th century by those that started the rapture idea (Darby, scofiled ect). In scripture the church is always presented as the 'Body of Christ" while the Bride of Christ is the city of God that comes down from heaven, were the Church will dwell. Note the scriptures in Revelation that you quoted. Hardyplants 11:30, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
Let me draw a simple analogy to [1]
I went to the computer store the other day and the salesman said, "Let me show you the latest operating system and productivity suite package called the 'Bride of Gates'." The salesman that talked to me had a tape measure in his hand, and he measured the box to be 12" X 8" X 4". The box had a hologram on it that shown bright as an Organic LED. It was wrapped in a gold ribbon with several coupons attached, each was shaped as a jewel, shining brightly. The box had many icons and pictures and could be opened from both ends. There was no operating manual within in it because it is now online. Replacing the limited life DVD is a flash memory card that will never decay for a million years.
... I immediately opened the package, discarded the contents into the trash and went back to my office to write a review on the "Bride of Gates". Btw, those Unix people that have recently started the "computer system that can instantly boot up" idea, headed by some old guys (Ritchie, Thompson, etc.), are responsible for coming up with the idea that the "Bride of Gates" is a collection of programs that can be uploaded to a server and downloaded by user-clients. Btw, that box that you see descending from the clouds in the TV commercial, well, in the monthly fliers, it is always represented as a pretty box for $499. Isn't that proof enough?
End of analogy. Diclaimer: No one should be offended, this is just my silly opinion.
I'll leave the references to you for quick lookup by phrase. I used the King james and maybe the NIV. But it's all there, and more.
"The 'Bride Of Christ' is not the church." False. The church, after the Lord's house cleaning; the remnant ... definitely the bride. It is not a building or a 4 walled citadel or national soil, but people.
The key is 'prepared as a bride" not "prepared as the bride". A dress can be prepared as a bride is prepared, and not be the bride herself. When the bride appears at her wedding, she is adorned in her gown. The bride is still a bride with or without the gown, but the beauty of her gown expresses/enhances the beauty of the bride to the groom. So does the Bibilical citadel in Revelation. It expresses (to us) the beauty of the remnant bride to the Lord. Thus the bride is a collective, not a perimiteral boundary.
Excuse any misplelings.
Where's the discussion about the merge? If no one objects, I'll take the merge template out in a few days. -- JaGa talk 02:57, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
Done. Merged into Christian Church. -- JaGa talk 06:00, 22 September 2008 (UTC)