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WikiProject London has a standardised naming scheme for public transport stations in Greater London; see Talk:Tramlink for details — OwenBlacker 23:37, Jul 5, 2004 (UTC)
I am absolutely certain the train services which stop regularly offpeak at east croydon are as follows:
The service pattern which was up before my edits was a clear overstatement including quite a lot of services which go via West, rather than East Croydon, and the CrossCountry services which don't leave regularly - more like 2 or 3 times per day. If anyone requires proof of the above I'll be happy to link to the relevant timetables, I do admit I've written that off the top of my head but I did live in the area for 17 years and I'm sure it's correct. Or, check southern's website
I should also point out though that the timetable is going to be revised for the long distance services on friday, so this may change. - Zeibura ( Talk) 04:44, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
they're somewhere in Surrey! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.154.232.3 ( talk) 19:24, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
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Does anyone have any images of the station before the rebuild? I have searched high and low on the Internet and I haven't found a single one, let alone one licensed for public use. Anywikiuser ( talk) 15:40, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
The article quotes that East Croydon is "the busiest in London outside Travelcard Zone 1". Is there a reference for this as I would have presumed that Clapham Junction, in Travelcard Zone 2, was the busiest outside Travelcard Zone 1 by most means of calculation? Afcwarren ( talk) 15:23, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
The article appears to be correct: Clapham Junction will be busier by train movements, but it has to be remembered that the vast majority of trains passing through stop at East Croydon, whereas Clapham Junction has a lot of non-stopping trains. I will add http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_busiest_railway_stations_in_Great_Britain as a reference. Crooked cottage ( talk) 13:54, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
I am very confused by the section on the Thameslink Programme. Whilst this programme will undoubtedly deliver platform lengthening (it already has in places such as Luton Airport Parkway) and station remodelling, I believe that East Croydon's platforms are already all 12 platforms, and that station remodelling will not happen here.
Also the cost of the programme is now quoted at £5.5bn not £3.5bn. Crooked cottage ( talk) 14:31, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
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What on earth is the point of expressing distance from London in chains? Yes, they're used technically within the railway industry, but this is not a technical article, and it just looks ridiculous.
There's a place for railway nerdery. This is not it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.181.161.141 ( talk) 14:02, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
This article existed for a decade without this absurd trivia, and now it's essential? Bonkers — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.50.203.144 ( talk) 13:57, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
I didn't see all the previous edits"—but at RFPP you knew exactly what the IP was doing; you must have looked at the edits. —SerialNumber54129 paranoia / cheap sh*t room 15:11, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
As has been pointed out in previous discussion of the issue, chains are used in the modern railway as a unit of measurement, in fact a RAIB report from as recently as December 2017 uses chains. At Wikipedia, we are required to follow sources. If sources use chains, then we use chains. If sources use decimal miles, then we do the same. Mjroots ( talk) 17:10, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
I've never really had to use chains before, and I think this would really be better solved with an RfC than with an argument, but converting to miles from chains would probably mean losing some accuracy if the measurements are specified to the nearest chain. I've added the {{ cvt}} conversion from mi/ch to miles for now, since chains are not commonly used in the US. Jc86035 ( talk) 17:07, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
Chains are not commonly used nowadays. It's only old railway surveys that use them. Railway buffs, please grow up and start living in the 21st century.Here are two photos which I took earlier today of a bridge over the Great Western Main Line (GWML). In the first photo, toward the left-hand end of the parapet you will see a red outline; the second photo is a closeup of that. The third line of text is significant: here, MLN1 id the engineers' line reference for the stretch of the GWML between Paddington and Plymouth (via Bristol); 53m is 53 miles; 41ch is 41 chains. That bridge was reconstructed in 2014-15, so that plate indicates that chains were still in official use four years ago - well into the 21st century. -- Redrose64 🌹 ( talk) 19:25, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
There is a similar sign outside Paignton railway station. It's a bit like horse racing using furlongs for traditional reasons even though they are no longer in common use. How many feet in a furlong? 660 (shame on you if you didn't know that). If it keeps the railway buffs happy I am not going to argue about chains, but MOS:JARGON has to be borne in mind as it may help to give the figure with a miles/km conversion.-- ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 06:55, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
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Mjroots has kindly initiated an RFC on the chains matter, which you can access at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_UK_Railways#Chains_RFC Fish+ Karate 10:12, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
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WikiProject London has a standardised naming scheme for public transport stations in Greater London; see Talk:Tramlink for details — OwenBlacker 23:37, Jul 5, 2004 (UTC)
I am absolutely certain the train services which stop regularly offpeak at east croydon are as follows:
The service pattern which was up before my edits was a clear overstatement including quite a lot of services which go via West, rather than East Croydon, and the CrossCountry services which don't leave regularly - more like 2 or 3 times per day. If anyone requires proof of the above I'll be happy to link to the relevant timetables, I do admit I've written that off the top of my head but I did live in the area for 17 years and I'm sure it's correct. Or, check southern's website
I should also point out though that the timetable is going to be revised for the long distance services on friday, so this may change. - Zeibura ( Talk) 04:44, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
they're somewhere in Surrey! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.154.232.3 ( talk) 19:24, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
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Does anyone have any images of the station before the rebuild? I have searched high and low on the Internet and I haven't found a single one, let alone one licensed for public use. Anywikiuser ( talk) 15:40, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
The article quotes that East Croydon is "the busiest in London outside Travelcard Zone 1". Is there a reference for this as I would have presumed that Clapham Junction, in Travelcard Zone 2, was the busiest outside Travelcard Zone 1 by most means of calculation? Afcwarren ( talk) 15:23, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
The article appears to be correct: Clapham Junction will be busier by train movements, but it has to be remembered that the vast majority of trains passing through stop at East Croydon, whereas Clapham Junction has a lot of non-stopping trains. I will add http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_busiest_railway_stations_in_Great_Britain as a reference. Crooked cottage ( talk) 13:54, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
I am very confused by the section on the Thameslink Programme. Whilst this programme will undoubtedly deliver platform lengthening (it already has in places such as Luton Airport Parkway) and station remodelling, I believe that East Croydon's platforms are already all 12 platforms, and that station remodelling will not happen here.
Also the cost of the programme is now quoted at £5.5bn not £3.5bn. Crooked cottage ( talk) 14:31, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
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What on earth is the point of expressing distance from London in chains? Yes, they're used technically within the railway industry, but this is not a technical article, and it just looks ridiculous.
There's a place for railway nerdery. This is not it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.181.161.141 ( talk) 14:02, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
This article existed for a decade without this absurd trivia, and now it's essential? Bonkers — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.50.203.144 ( talk) 13:57, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
I didn't see all the previous edits"—but at RFPP you knew exactly what the IP was doing; you must have looked at the edits. —SerialNumber54129 paranoia / cheap sh*t room 15:11, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
As has been pointed out in previous discussion of the issue, chains are used in the modern railway as a unit of measurement, in fact a RAIB report from as recently as December 2017 uses chains. At Wikipedia, we are required to follow sources. If sources use chains, then we use chains. If sources use decimal miles, then we do the same. Mjroots ( talk) 17:10, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
I've never really had to use chains before, and I think this would really be better solved with an RfC than with an argument, but converting to miles from chains would probably mean losing some accuracy if the measurements are specified to the nearest chain. I've added the {{ cvt}} conversion from mi/ch to miles for now, since chains are not commonly used in the US. Jc86035 ( talk) 17:07, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
Chains are not commonly used nowadays. It's only old railway surveys that use them. Railway buffs, please grow up and start living in the 21st century.Here are two photos which I took earlier today of a bridge over the Great Western Main Line (GWML). In the first photo, toward the left-hand end of the parapet you will see a red outline; the second photo is a closeup of that. The third line of text is significant: here, MLN1 id the engineers' line reference for the stretch of the GWML between Paddington and Plymouth (via Bristol); 53m is 53 miles; 41ch is 41 chains. That bridge was reconstructed in 2014-15, so that plate indicates that chains were still in official use four years ago - well into the 21st century. -- Redrose64 🌹 ( talk) 19:25, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
There is a similar sign outside Paignton railway station. It's a bit like horse racing using furlongs for traditional reasons even though they are no longer in common use. How many feet in a furlong? 660 (shame on you if you didn't know that). If it keeps the railway buffs happy I am not going to argue about chains, but MOS:JARGON has to be borne in mind as it may help to give the figure with a miles/km conversion.-- ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 06:55, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
This is a friendly reminder that Wikipedia:General sanctions/Units in the United Kingdom exists and is still in force. MER-C 14:19, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
Mjroots has kindly initiated an RFC on the chains matter, which you can access at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_UK_Railways#Chains_RFC Fish+ Karate 10:12, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
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