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The following four comments were posted prior to the current Edit. Also please note the corrected definition of the terms Jitterbug and Swing by left clicking on them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dancefusion ( talk • contribs)
The article "East Coast Swing" is too filled with inaccuracy to be edited. It needs to be replaced in full with accurate information relative to the East Coast Swing. A good song to dance swing is "Gettin in the Mood (For Christmas)"'Italic text' 1. The "Steps" described are mis-named and the descriptions within are misleading. To begin with "Steps" in dance is the "Footwork", "Positions" are the positions that the partners are in to perform a specific "Pattern" (body movement) There is no "He Goes" or "She Goes" and when used with "Leader" and "Follower" is ambigulous. The titles are "Woman's Underarm Right Turn" or "Woman's Underarm Left Turn" and "Man's Underarm Right Turn" or "Man's Underarm Left Turn", all depending on the direction that the turn is to be made and by whom. The turns are also correctly sometimes called "Outside Turn" or "Inside Turn" describing the direction that the turn is to be made. Partner dancing obviously forms a partnership and within the partnership there is a leader and follower. Traditionally the leader is the man and the woman is the follower. "Outside" or "Inside" is viewed from within the partnership from the vantage point of the man (leader)with the couple facing each other right eye to right eye. To the man's left is outside for both partners and to the man's right is inside for both partners.
2. The "Footwork" described is from dances that are not to be mixed. The article states that the footwork of Swing Dance, Jitterbug, Lindy-hop, and East Coast Swing can all be mixed. That is not true! An East Coast Swing is an East Coast Swing and the steps (footwork) and can not be mixed with those of the other swing dances. The single step is Swing Dance; the double step is Jitterbug; the triple step is East Coast Swing; and holds are syncopations numerous variations. This so call "Footwork" describes "Step" that belong to specific dance styles and are not mixed within the same dance. Each can be danced to the same genre of music with the same tempo depending on the dance couple's level of dance.
3. An In-place Basic is the steps danced in the same place without movement to either side or forward or backward. They do not have to be danced in the same position.
4. The pattern originally described as the pretzel is correctly renamed the cuddle although the turn is the "wrap turn" and the position that the couple ends in is the "cuddle position". The "pretzel" is a position and the turn necessary to achieve the "pretzel" position is a modified "Woman's Underarm Right Turn". It is an intermediate level position.
5. The "Tuck Turn", the "Throw-out", and the "Return to Close" are all mislead. There are no nudges or pulls or pushes in dance. Each pattern is lead by each partner maintaining a correct frame. Directional body movement is lead from the frame itself, not nudges, pulls, or pushes. Turns, dips, flow, promenaides and other patterns are all lead by properly trained arm and hand placements of the man (leader).
6. Like other topics requiring expert instruction, amateur dancers should refrain from writing dance instruction, editing the content of such instruction. A case in point is the page on "East Coast Swing". It has had so many contributors, each meaning well, but most misinformed.
-- AttitudeDanceStudios 13:54, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Retrieved from User talk:AttitudeDanceStudios
This article has been marked for cleaning up. I'll work on some of the class materials I use and post soon. PatHaugen 22:02, 15 December 2005 (UTC)pathaugen
The descriptions of the She Goes move and the He Does move seem to be somewhat ambiguous and maybe contradictory, or at least unclear.
According to the descriptions, in both cases someone is going under the leader's raised hand, so in each cases the person is turning toward the leading hand (counter-clockwise for leader, clockwise for follower). However, one is labeled "inside" but the other is labeled "outside," which seems to be contradictory.
It would help if:
1. The descriptions specified the direction of the spin (clockwise or the reverse).
2. The descriptions explicitly mentioned whether the hand was raised straight up or was raised and brought across in front of the follower (or wherever else).
3. The page explained what "inside" and "outside" meant. (What are they based on--the inside and outside of what?)
Daniel B.
I have removed the excess capitalisation of words that are not proper names. I hesitate on the page title, however. ECS is a common abbreviation, but does that nedessarily mean that the full name should be capitalised? Should it be "East Coast Swing" or "East Coast swing"? I have seen the latter often, but IMHO I think it should be more correct. // Habj 12:05, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
Unless someone objects, I'm going to send the how-to sections of this article to Wikibooks. My current plan is to leave most of the lead here on Wikipedia (which is fine, it just needs some sources), and move most of the "moves" text into the b:Swing Dancing/East Coast Swing, easily accessible from the See Also section. The remaining article will probably be a stub, and will probably need some help in recovery. Please let me know if you think those sections are necessary to the integrity of the article (and can provide suitable references), or if you feel this is inappopriate.-- Will.i.am 21:23, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
Article currently states: "Despite the differing order, the rock step is always taken on beats 1 or 3 of the music."
This seems incorrect to me, but maybe I'm thinking about it in a different way...
1: step
2: step
3: rock step (ok)
4: step
1: step
2: rock step (this isn't 1 or 3!)
3: step
4: step
etc
Since the dance is in 6 and the music is in 4, the rock step necessarily will rotate through all the beats. Right? Cln23 21:22, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
Music beats (in fours): | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | |||||||||||
Music beat incremental: | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | |||||||||||
East Coast Step Timing: | 1 | a | 2 | 3 | a | 4 | 5 | 6 | 1 | a | 2 | 3 | a | 4 | 5 | 6 |
I don't like the format that the page currently has, especially with step, step (my biggest pet peeve of an instructor). Will it the order matter whether I list the Rock Step first or last when I decide to make changes? MMetro ( talk) 22:58, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
I was bold today. I added four external references that make the article verifiable, and corrected the article based on these references. Jazzdanse ( talk) 18:49, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
I also merged Eastern Swing with this article because Eastern Swing is simply another (earlier) name for East Coast Swing: See old talk-page here. This article was previously edited to encompass the content removed from Eastern Swing. The following four citations show that Eastern Swing is simply a variant name for East Coast Swing [1] [2] [3] [4]. Eastern Swing was an earlier name used for the now popular East Coast Swing, just as Western Swing was the earlier name given to the present day West Coast Swing. Jazzdanse ( talk) 18:49, 22 March 2008 (UTC)A good song to dance swing in the holiday seasons is "Gettin in the Mood (For Christmas)"
Additional work needed:
This article needs to have basic techniques explained for Triple-step swing and for Double-step (tap-step) swing. Especially since Triple-step swing is currently the most popular style of East Coast Swing. It is inadequate to only explain technique for Single-step Swing. I hope to make those revisions myself in the near future, but if anyone else feels up to the task, please help us out. Jazzdanse ( talk) 18:49, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
The statement Ballroom dancers and instructors often mistakenly believe that East Coast Swing evolved from Foxtrot is at best counter-intuitive, and it is not supported by the reference attached to it. (The referenced document does not mention foxtrot at all.) It appears that the sole purpose of this statement is to belittle ballroom dancers. It should be removed.
Dave Cornutt ( talk) 02:22, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
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The following four comments were posted prior to the current Edit. Also please note the corrected definition of the terms Jitterbug and Swing by left clicking on them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dancefusion ( talk • contribs)
The article "East Coast Swing" is too filled with inaccuracy to be edited. It needs to be replaced in full with accurate information relative to the East Coast Swing. A good song to dance swing is "Gettin in the Mood (For Christmas)"'Italic text' 1. The "Steps" described are mis-named and the descriptions within are misleading. To begin with "Steps" in dance is the "Footwork", "Positions" are the positions that the partners are in to perform a specific "Pattern" (body movement) There is no "He Goes" or "She Goes" and when used with "Leader" and "Follower" is ambigulous. The titles are "Woman's Underarm Right Turn" or "Woman's Underarm Left Turn" and "Man's Underarm Right Turn" or "Man's Underarm Left Turn", all depending on the direction that the turn is to be made and by whom. The turns are also correctly sometimes called "Outside Turn" or "Inside Turn" describing the direction that the turn is to be made. Partner dancing obviously forms a partnership and within the partnership there is a leader and follower. Traditionally the leader is the man and the woman is the follower. "Outside" or "Inside" is viewed from within the partnership from the vantage point of the man (leader)with the couple facing each other right eye to right eye. To the man's left is outside for both partners and to the man's right is inside for both partners.
2. The "Footwork" described is from dances that are not to be mixed. The article states that the footwork of Swing Dance, Jitterbug, Lindy-hop, and East Coast Swing can all be mixed. That is not true! An East Coast Swing is an East Coast Swing and the steps (footwork) and can not be mixed with those of the other swing dances. The single step is Swing Dance; the double step is Jitterbug; the triple step is East Coast Swing; and holds are syncopations numerous variations. This so call "Footwork" describes "Step" that belong to specific dance styles and are not mixed within the same dance. Each can be danced to the same genre of music with the same tempo depending on the dance couple's level of dance.
3. An In-place Basic is the steps danced in the same place without movement to either side or forward or backward. They do not have to be danced in the same position.
4. The pattern originally described as the pretzel is correctly renamed the cuddle although the turn is the "wrap turn" and the position that the couple ends in is the "cuddle position". The "pretzel" is a position and the turn necessary to achieve the "pretzel" position is a modified "Woman's Underarm Right Turn". It is an intermediate level position.
5. The "Tuck Turn", the "Throw-out", and the "Return to Close" are all mislead. There are no nudges or pulls or pushes in dance. Each pattern is lead by each partner maintaining a correct frame. Directional body movement is lead from the frame itself, not nudges, pulls, or pushes. Turns, dips, flow, promenaides and other patterns are all lead by properly trained arm and hand placements of the man (leader).
6. Like other topics requiring expert instruction, amateur dancers should refrain from writing dance instruction, editing the content of such instruction. A case in point is the page on "East Coast Swing". It has had so many contributors, each meaning well, but most misinformed.
-- AttitudeDanceStudios 13:54, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Retrieved from User talk:AttitudeDanceStudios
This article has been marked for cleaning up. I'll work on some of the class materials I use and post soon. PatHaugen 22:02, 15 December 2005 (UTC)pathaugen
The descriptions of the She Goes move and the He Does move seem to be somewhat ambiguous and maybe contradictory, or at least unclear.
According to the descriptions, in both cases someone is going under the leader's raised hand, so in each cases the person is turning toward the leading hand (counter-clockwise for leader, clockwise for follower). However, one is labeled "inside" but the other is labeled "outside," which seems to be contradictory.
It would help if:
1. The descriptions specified the direction of the spin (clockwise or the reverse).
2. The descriptions explicitly mentioned whether the hand was raised straight up or was raised and brought across in front of the follower (or wherever else).
3. The page explained what "inside" and "outside" meant. (What are they based on--the inside and outside of what?)
Daniel B.
I have removed the excess capitalisation of words that are not proper names. I hesitate on the page title, however. ECS is a common abbreviation, but does that nedessarily mean that the full name should be capitalised? Should it be "East Coast Swing" or "East Coast swing"? I have seen the latter often, but IMHO I think it should be more correct. // Habj 12:05, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
Unless someone objects, I'm going to send the how-to sections of this article to Wikibooks. My current plan is to leave most of the lead here on Wikipedia (which is fine, it just needs some sources), and move most of the "moves" text into the b:Swing Dancing/East Coast Swing, easily accessible from the See Also section. The remaining article will probably be a stub, and will probably need some help in recovery. Please let me know if you think those sections are necessary to the integrity of the article (and can provide suitable references), or if you feel this is inappopriate.-- Will.i.am 21:23, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
Article currently states: "Despite the differing order, the rock step is always taken on beats 1 or 3 of the music."
This seems incorrect to me, but maybe I'm thinking about it in a different way...
1: step
2: step
3: rock step (ok)
4: step
1: step
2: rock step (this isn't 1 or 3!)
3: step
4: step
etc
Since the dance is in 6 and the music is in 4, the rock step necessarily will rotate through all the beats. Right? Cln23 21:22, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
Music beats (in fours): | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | |||||||||||
Music beat incremental: | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | |||||||||||
East Coast Step Timing: | 1 | a | 2 | 3 | a | 4 | 5 | 6 | 1 | a | 2 | 3 | a | 4 | 5 | 6 |
I don't like the format that the page currently has, especially with step, step (my biggest pet peeve of an instructor). Will it the order matter whether I list the Rock Step first or last when I decide to make changes? MMetro ( talk) 22:58, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
I was bold today. I added four external references that make the article verifiable, and corrected the article based on these references. Jazzdanse ( talk) 18:49, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
I also merged Eastern Swing with this article because Eastern Swing is simply another (earlier) name for East Coast Swing: See old talk-page here. This article was previously edited to encompass the content removed from Eastern Swing. The following four citations show that Eastern Swing is simply a variant name for East Coast Swing [1] [2] [3] [4]. Eastern Swing was an earlier name used for the now popular East Coast Swing, just as Western Swing was the earlier name given to the present day West Coast Swing. Jazzdanse ( talk) 18:49, 22 March 2008 (UTC)A good song to dance swing in the holiday seasons is "Gettin in the Mood (For Christmas)"
Additional work needed:
This article needs to have basic techniques explained for Triple-step swing and for Double-step (tap-step) swing. Especially since Triple-step swing is currently the most popular style of East Coast Swing. It is inadequate to only explain technique for Single-step Swing. I hope to make those revisions myself in the near future, but if anyone else feels up to the task, please help us out. Jazzdanse ( talk) 18:49, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
The statement Ballroom dancers and instructors often mistakenly believe that East Coast Swing evolved from Foxtrot is at best counter-intuitive, and it is not supported by the reference attached to it. (The referenced document does not mention foxtrot at all.) It appears that the sole purpose of this statement is to belittle ballroom dancers. It should be removed.
Dave Cornutt ( talk) 02:22, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Lindy hop which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — RMCD bot 07:29, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Lindy Hop which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — RMCD bot 17:44, 27 June 2015 (UTC)