This article is rated Start-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
The contents of the List of Earth 2 episodes page were merged into Earth 2 (TV series) on 22 October 2017. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected page, please see its history; for the discussion at that location, see its talk page. |
Someone should probably add a paragraph or two about the various fan-related events that took place during and after Earth 2's original network run. I seem to recall reading that fans of the series were the first to run a full-page ad in Variety magazine; they also paid for an airplane to pull a banner supporting the series at some awards show. Plus, there were a few Earth 2 conventions put together by fans following the demise of the series.
After NBC dropped the show, UPN expressed some interest in picking it up. A promotional video was quickly put together to show UPN executives (you used to be able to see it at an Earth 2 website). However, changes that had been instituted by new showrunners that NBC had brought in turned UPN off of the series. I cannot find much information about this aside from Usenet and Earth2TV.com so I am not sure what to say about it. But I think the page needs a paragraph about how close we came to Season Two. 209.51.77.64 02:01, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
Given how large the cast section is, perhaps it should be moved to a seperate page. Same goes for the episode guide. 209.51.77.64 02:01, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
Were the episodes actually 60 minutes long, or has someone included commercials in the running time? Arctic Gnome 16:45, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
I've started an Earth 2 page at Wikiquote, so if anyone has any good Earth 2 quotes, please add them. Koweja 02:08, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
"After the Thaw" aired April 2th and "The Boy Who Would be Terrian King" aired April 23rd. Now Thaw takes place 109 days after the crash and Terrian King takes place 104 days after the crash. Is this another case of the network screwing around with the series and showing them out of order, or did the show's writers decide to make Terrian King take place out of sequence? Koweja 01:41, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
There were a few episodes shown out of order. The DVD package reflects the initial air date of each episode. This was because of the strange time slot NBC gave to the series. Some say this was done to bury the series and make it go away. I remember Earth 2's time slot was changed around a bit before finally landing on Sundays at 6:30 or 7pm. It was often pre-empted by sporting events which ran late, or ignored all together in favor of a championship game. For whatever reason, those skipped episodes were shown later in a rerun slot (although they hadn't been shown until then), which is the reason for the later air dates. In addition, there were many different writers for the individual episodes, which created minor continuity errors between episodes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.127.82.150 ( talk) 23:43, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
It appears that many sections of the article are directly copied and pasted from Ann White's Earth 2 FAQ. Did anyone secure her permission before copy-pasting the data onto Wikipedia? -- Edward Sandstig 15:45, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
Look and you shall find what I'm talking about. One of the sentences is cut off, near the beginning. Unfortunately, I don't know much about the series, so I can't amend this. 83.21.19.172 17:13, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Never mind. It's fixed - that was fast, too. 83.21.19.172 17:14, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Just thinking, they resemble each other in manner, morals and appearance. - MSTCrow 14:52, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
I'm generally against linkspam but this website seems OK, due to the nature of the show not being massively popular it's unlikely Wikipedia will definitively cover the show -- so the information contained on that website is valuable to our readers. Matthew 19:45, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
Shouldn't something be said about Tim Curry's role as Gaal?
Image:Earth2.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.
If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images lacking such an explanation can be deleted one week after being tagged, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.
BetacommandBot ( talk) 06:56, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
I added a reference where they mention the tv show in an episode "one breath" Mindflayerz ( talk) 08:19, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
This show aired in germany, too. I think in 1996/97. Afaik it aired in Austria and Switzerland, too. TomGaribaldi ( talk) 21:05, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
This article could use some negative criticism. I just watched part of the first episode, and my impression was that it was one of the most implausible sci-fi plots ever written. Going 22 light years to provide a healthy environment for a couple dozen kids? A government attempting to blow up a ship it would never see arrive anyhow? Letting kids run off and contact local wildlife on an alien planet? Add to that appalling random, weak acting from most of the leads. I was watching it for free, without commercials, and I turned it off after an hour. Surely other critics must have done the same. Wikipedia is not a fan site. This article needs balance on this. Sincerely, Alpha Ralpha Boulevard ( talk) 02:30, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
Does the name Devon Adair have any connection to the publisher Devin-Adair Co? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.162.33.89 ( talk) 05:21, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
I'm having trouble finding a reliable source to mention this, but many state that they brought in new people to take over the series, and released a promo for season 2 and all of its changes, found here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VGW8P06dKc and other places, and that seeing the changes NBC decided they didn't want the new season. What reliable sources out there would have discussed this? Dream Focus 16:30, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified one external link on Earth 2 (TV series). Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 19:02, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
Single-season television series do generally not have standalone "List of [...] episodes" articles (basically, as per WP:TVOVERVIEW – for example, see this earlier merge proposal). As such, the episodes list at List of Earth 2 episodes should be merged back to this article. If no opposition is offered, I'll preform a merge of this list of episodes back to the main TV series article in the future. -- IJBall ( contribs • talk) 20:28, 29 July 2017 (UTC)
Done Merger of episodes list back to this parent TV article completed. -- IJBall ( contribs • talk) 16:03, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 5 external links on Earth 2 (TV series). Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 01:02, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
It is generally not necessary for 'Cast' and 'Characters' to be in separate sections, and it certainly isn't necessary at this article. Please feel free to post comments on this proposal, but if there are no dissenting followup comments posted here, I will go ahead and merge those sections in the near future... -- IJBall ( contribs • talk) 16:09, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
I have combined the two entries for "First Contact" in the episodes table – it aired as a 2-hour movie, has a single production code, and single entries in both the U.S.C.O. and WGAW databases. In other words, it's a single episode, according to everyone but Epguides.
I have continued to count it as episodes # "1–2" in the episodes table, for now. But a good case can be made that "First Contact" should be counted as just episode # "1", and the other episodes renumbered to reflect that there are 21 episodes for the series rather than 22. -- IJBall ( contribs • talk) 23:06, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified one external link on Earth 2 (TV series). Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 00:50, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
Episodes are always listed in airing order in WP:TV. There are basically no exceptions to this. Production codes are included so that people can track the chronological order of the episodes. In addition, this article specifically has prose which discusses this issue. Ergo, there is zero reason not to follow long-standing WP:TV practice, and list in airing order, as we do everywhere else. -- IJBall ( contribs • talk) 07:35, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
Add: To clarify, I mean "episodes are always listed in airing order in WP:TV" in the episodes tables/listings. In case that's not clear... -- IJBall ( contribs • talk) 22:38, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
Ordering by air date is a choice which is completely arbitrary without any particular reliable source to back it up. Airdate is usually sufficient because it typically matches the episode order that is also used in reliable sources - Wikipedia doesn't use airdate just because dogmatically "we should" or "we have always". In the case of THIS article, though, it is not sufficient. I've listed several sources which place the episodes in an order which does not conform to the the airing order. Wikipedia must use episode order as expressed by these sources - to do otherwise is Wikipedia editors expressing their own preference to override those sources, which is the essence of original research. AS far as I'm aware, the Static Mass review is the most definitive because it expressly recounts the episode order in the most recent home media release of this series. That release includes a card which acknowledges the airing date problem, and the producers have corrected this release. It can be said to be currently the most definitive episode order available. -- Netoholic @ 06:41, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
I would love to arrive at a consensus for this, it'd be preferable. Calling something "standard practice" but not citing a written guideline is oxymoronic - if its standard, its written. WP has been around a loooong time, these discussions have happened before. You're being dogmatic, and now just dismissive. When there is no other guideline, then we must adhere to the the Five pillars - all articles must satisfy Wikipedia:Verifiability. For the episode order, I have provided several sources above, and you three have given neither a written guideline nor any contradictory reliable sources. If you revert, YOU will be reported for violating these REAL guidelines for reinstating information in this article which is unsourced and unverifiable. I welcome your feedback on my sandbox version, I am hoping including BOTH orders can help reach consensus, but I advise you both to stop with the overt threats and start providing some sources or guidelines to support your assertions. -- Netoholic @ 08:12, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
It is only widely done because most series air in proper order.- It's still standard practice and it's actually quite common for episodes to air in the incorrect sequence. Firefly is a special case because it was aired so out of sequence that it effectively got the series cancelled. -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 13:29, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
Like any other information we include in wikipedia, "episode order" for a series is whatever reliable sources agree upon. Usually, as editors, we can shortcut this and be generally correct that airdates are the same as the episode order, but there are clearly exception. No respectable, reliable source lists Firefly in strict airdate order. They all agree that the episode order is different from airdate order. Likewise, the most reliable sources for episode order related to Earth 2 agree that airdate order is incorrect. The fact that the lastest home media release uses the narrative order indicates that the "Powers That Be" that manage the Earth 2 property agree with this. Wikipedia cannot impose an episode order which conflicts with these sources. It violates WP:Verifiability. -- Netoholic @ 08:14, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
The air dates are essentially the source for the episode order- See WP:SYNTH. Airdates do not provide episode number. The fact that you used the word "essentially" demonstrates you know your argument is on shaky policy ground.
as well as the episode guides which are ordered by air date- No reliable sources cited for that assertion. See Hitchens's razor. I've given a reliable sourced list of episodes (Static Mass review). You've given nothing.
standard practice is to list episodes by airing order- No Wikipedia guideline cited for that assertion. See Hitchens's razor.
There are a lot of things that we don't include in the MOS because we don't specify everything to the nth degree in order to avoid instruction creep. We leave a lot of things to common sense.Either understand that or don't. It's up you, but WP:DROPTHESTICK/ WP:LETITGO and go sing a new song because consensus is clearly against you here. That's all I'll reply with. It's not worth my time to write up detailed posts with someone as stubborn as you. Amaury ( talk | contribs) 09:57, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
Using Airdate or prod code to create an episode number or order is WP:SYNTH.- I think there is a misconception here. The episode numbers listed in the first column are not "episode orders" per se, they are simply meant to enable linking to the individual episode entries. The template creates an anchor based on the number for easy linking and therefore each number has to be unique. It's really nothing more than that. This way we can make claims like The 20th episode aired was "Natural Born Grendlers", and have a nice, convenient link to the episode. It's obviously convenient to number them sequentially and, because we normally add them as they are aired they coincidentally reflect the airing order. -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 10:47, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
The reference used for the air date information in the table ( http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art35106.asp) ALSO places the episodes in the corrected viewing order. Why are we using that reference for air dates, but not episode order? This dogged insistence on WP:SYNTH-ing episode order by extrapolating from air dates is non-sensical when THE SOURCE for air dates doesn't even use those air dates to order the episodes. -- Netoholic @ 12:02, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified one external link on Earth 2 (TV series). Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 01:35, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
This article is rated Start-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
The contents of the List of Earth 2 episodes page were merged into Earth 2 (TV series) on 22 October 2017. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected page, please see its history; for the discussion at that location, see its talk page. |
Someone should probably add a paragraph or two about the various fan-related events that took place during and after Earth 2's original network run. I seem to recall reading that fans of the series were the first to run a full-page ad in Variety magazine; they also paid for an airplane to pull a banner supporting the series at some awards show. Plus, there were a few Earth 2 conventions put together by fans following the demise of the series.
After NBC dropped the show, UPN expressed some interest in picking it up. A promotional video was quickly put together to show UPN executives (you used to be able to see it at an Earth 2 website). However, changes that had been instituted by new showrunners that NBC had brought in turned UPN off of the series. I cannot find much information about this aside from Usenet and Earth2TV.com so I am not sure what to say about it. But I think the page needs a paragraph about how close we came to Season Two. 209.51.77.64 02:01, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
Given how large the cast section is, perhaps it should be moved to a seperate page. Same goes for the episode guide. 209.51.77.64 02:01, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
Were the episodes actually 60 minutes long, or has someone included commercials in the running time? Arctic Gnome 16:45, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
I've started an Earth 2 page at Wikiquote, so if anyone has any good Earth 2 quotes, please add them. Koweja 02:08, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
"After the Thaw" aired April 2th and "The Boy Who Would be Terrian King" aired April 23rd. Now Thaw takes place 109 days after the crash and Terrian King takes place 104 days after the crash. Is this another case of the network screwing around with the series and showing them out of order, or did the show's writers decide to make Terrian King take place out of sequence? Koweja 01:41, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
There were a few episodes shown out of order. The DVD package reflects the initial air date of each episode. This was because of the strange time slot NBC gave to the series. Some say this was done to bury the series and make it go away. I remember Earth 2's time slot was changed around a bit before finally landing on Sundays at 6:30 or 7pm. It was often pre-empted by sporting events which ran late, or ignored all together in favor of a championship game. For whatever reason, those skipped episodes were shown later in a rerun slot (although they hadn't been shown until then), which is the reason for the later air dates. In addition, there were many different writers for the individual episodes, which created minor continuity errors between episodes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.127.82.150 ( talk) 23:43, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
It appears that many sections of the article are directly copied and pasted from Ann White's Earth 2 FAQ. Did anyone secure her permission before copy-pasting the data onto Wikipedia? -- Edward Sandstig 15:45, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
Look and you shall find what I'm talking about. One of the sentences is cut off, near the beginning. Unfortunately, I don't know much about the series, so I can't amend this. 83.21.19.172 17:13, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Never mind. It's fixed - that was fast, too. 83.21.19.172 17:14, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Just thinking, they resemble each other in manner, morals and appearance. - MSTCrow 14:52, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
I'm generally against linkspam but this website seems OK, due to the nature of the show not being massively popular it's unlikely Wikipedia will definitively cover the show -- so the information contained on that website is valuable to our readers. Matthew 19:45, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
Shouldn't something be said about Tim Curry's role as Gaal?
Image:Earth2.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.
If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images lacking such an explanation can be deleted one week after being tagged, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.
BetacommandBot ( talk) 06:56, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
I added a reference where they mention the tv show in an episode "one breath" Mindflayerz ( talk) 08:19, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
This show aired in germany, too. I think in 1996/97. Afaik it aired in Austria and Switzerland, too. TomGaribaldi ( talk) 21:05, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
This article could use some negative criticism. I just watched part of the first episode, and my impression was that it was one of the most implausible sci-fi plots ever written. Going 22 light years to provide a healthy environment for a couple dozen kids? A government attempting to blow up a ship it would never see arrive anyhow? Letting kids run off and contact local wildlife on an alien planet? Add to that appalling random, weak acting from most of the leads. I was watching it for free, without commercials, and I turned it off after an hour. Surely other critics must have done the same. Wikipedia is not a fan site. This article needs balance on this. Sincerely, Alpha Ralpha Boulevard ( talk) 02:30, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
Does the name Devon Adair have any connection to the publisher Devin-Adair Co? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.162.33.89 ( talk) 05:21, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
I'm having trouble finding a reliable source to mention this, but many state that they brought in new people to take over the series, and released a promo for season 2 and all of its changes, found here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VGW8P06dKc and other places, and that seeing the changes NBC decided they didn't want the new season. What reliable sources out there would have discussed this? Dream Focus 16:30, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified one external link on Earth 2 (TV series). Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 19:02, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
Single-season television series do generally not have standalone "List of [...] episodes" articles (basically, as per WP:TVOVERVIEW – for example, see this earlier merge proposal). As such, the episodes list at List of Earth 2 episodes should be merged back to this article. If no opposition is offered, I'll preform a merge of this list of episodes back to the main TV series article in the future. -- IJBall ( contribs • talk) 20:28, 29 July 2017 (UTC)
Done Merger of episodes list back to this parent TV article completed. -- IJBall ( contribs • talk) 16:03, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 5 external links on Earth 2 (TV series). Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 01:02, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
It is generally not necessary for 'Cast' and 'Characters' to be in separate sections, and it certainly isn't necessary at this article. Please feel free to post comments on this proposal, but if there are no dissenting followup comments posted here, I will go ahead and merge those sections in the near future... -- IJBall ( contribs • talk) 16:09, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
I have combined the two entries for "First Contact" in the episodes table – it aired as a 2-hour movie, has a single production code, and single entries in both the U.S.C.O. and WGAW databases. In other words, it's a single episode, according to everyone but Epguides.
I have continued to count it as episodes # "1–2" in the episodes table, for now. But a good case can be made that "First Contact" should be counted as just episode # "1", and the other episodes renumbered to reflect that there are 21 episodes for the series rather than 22. -- IJBall ( contribs • talk) 23:06, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified one external link on Earth 2 (TV series). Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 00:50, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
Episodes are always listed in airing order in WP:TV. There are basically no exceptions to this. Production codes are included so that people can track the chronological order of the episodes. In addition, this article specifically has prose which discusses this issue. Ergo, there is zero reason not to follow long-standing WP:TV practice, and list in airing order, as we do everywhere else. -- IJBall ( contribs • talk) 07:35, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
Add: To clarify, I mean "episodes are always listed in airing order in WP:TV" in the episodes tables/listings. In case that's not clear... -- IJBall ( contribs • talk) 22:38, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
Ordering by air date is a choice which is completely arbitrary without any particular reliable source to back it up. Airdate is usually sufficient because it typically matches the episode order that is also used in reliable sources - Wikipedia doesn't use airdate just because dogmatically "we should" or "we have always". In the case of THIS article, though, it is not sufficient. I've listed several sources which place the episodes in an order which does not conform to the the airing order. Wikipedia must use episode order as expressed by these sources - to do otherwise is Wikipedia editors expressing their own preference to override those sources, which is the essence of original research. AS far as I'm aware, the Static Mass review is the most definitive because it expressly recounts the episode order in the most recent home media release of this series. That release includes a card which acknowledges the airing date problem, and the producers have corrected this release. It can be said to be currently the most definitive episode order available. -- Netoholic @ 06:41, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
I would love to arrive at a consensus for this, it'd be preferable. Calling something "standard practice" but not citing a written guideline is oxymoronic - if its standard, its written. WP has been around a loooong time, these discussions have happened before. You're being dogmatic, and now just dismissive. When there is no other guideline, then we must adhere to the the Five pillars - all articles must satisfy Wikipedia:Verifiability. For the episode order, I have provided several sources above, and you three have given neither a written guideline nor any contradictory reliable sources. If you revert, YOU will be reported for violating these REAL guidelines for reinstating information in this article which is unsourced and unverifiable. I welcome your feedback on my sandbox version, I am hoping including BOTH orders can help reach consensus, but I advise you both to stop with the overt threats and start providing some sources or guidelines to support your assertions. -- Netoholic @ 08:12, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
It is only widely done because most series air in proper order.- It's still standard practice and it's actually quite common for episodes to air in the incorrect sequence. Firefly is a special case because it was aired so out of sequence that it effectively got the series cancelled. -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 13:29, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
Like any other information we include in wikipedia, "episode order" for a series is whatever reliable sources agree upon. Usually, as editors, we can shortcut this and be generally correct that airdates are the same as the episode order, but there are clearly exception. No respectable, reliable source lists Firefly in strict airdate order. They all agree that the episode order is different from airdate order. Likewise, the most reliable sources for episode order related to Earth 2 agree that airdate order is incorrect. The fact that the lastest home media release uses the narrative order indicates that the "Powers That Be" that manage the Earth 2 property agree with this. Wikipedia cannot impose an episode order which conflicts with these sources. It violates WP:Verifiability. -- Netoholic @ 08:14, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
The air dates are essentially the source for the episode order- See WP:SYNTH. Airdates do not provide episode number. The fact that you used the word "essentially" demonstrates you know your argument is on shaky policy ground.
as well as the episode guides which are ordered by air date- No reliable sources cited for that assertion. See Hitchens's razor. I've given a reliable sourced list of episodes (Static Mass review). You've given nothing.
standard practice is to list episodes by airing order- No Wikipedia guideline cited for that assertion. See Hitchens's razor.
There are a lot of things that we don't include in the MOS because we don't specify everything to the nth degree in order to avoid instruction creep. We leave a lot of things to common sense.Either understand that or don't. It's up you, but WP:DROPTHESTICK/ WP:LETITGO and go sing a new song because consensus is clearly against you here. That's all I'll reply with. It's not worth my time to write up detailed posts with someone as stubborn as you. Amaury ( talk | contribs) 09:57, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
Using Airdate or prod code to create an episode number or order is WP:SYNTH.- I think there is a misconception here. The episode numbers listed in the first column are not "episode orders" per se, they are simply meant to enable linking to the individual episode entries. The template creates an anchor based on the number for easy linking and therefore each number has to be unique. It's really nothing more than that. This way we can make claims like The 20th episode aired was "Natural Born Grendlers", and have a nice, convenient link to the episode. It's obviously convenient to number them sequentially and, because we normally add them as they are aired they coincidentally reflect the airing order. -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 10:47, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
The reference used for the air date information in the table ( http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art35106.asp) ALSO places the episodes in the corrected viewing order. Why are we using that reference for air dates, but not episode order? This dogged insistence on WP:SYNTH-ing episode order by extrapolating from air dates is non-sensical when THE SOURCE for air dates doesn't even use those air dates to order the episodes. -- Netoholic @ 12:02, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified one external link on Earth 2 (TV series). Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 01:35, 23 January 2018 (UTC)