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What about Tasmania? Scamander yesterday recorded the states highest ever temperature of 42.2 and Launceston also reached it's highest temperature of 39.0. Flinders Island recorded the states previous record temperature on just Thursday with 41.5. Why hasn't anything been put in about the island state? Trust me 39 in Tassie is as warm as about 45 on the mainland. Aaroncrick ( Tassie Talk) 01:53, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
Is it an event that occurs once in 100 years? I've read it somewhere. -- 123.238.92.138 ( talk) 13:09, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
I'd suggest that the article be retitled to 2009 Southeastern Australia heat wave as this is more specifically the area affected, and is a regional definition that is referred to by the Bureau of Meteorology. [1] Melburnian ( talk) 00:18, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
I'll compile a list of locations that are adequately spaced for use in the temperatures section. We'll also include a separate list of the highest temperatures recorded and where they occurred. In the meantime, we should stop adding more and more locations before it gets irrational. Nick carson ( talk) 06:48, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
If a Tasmanian section is made this type of chart could be added.
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Fantastic! Aaroncrick ( Tassie Talk) 22:56, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
I like the concept graph for wagga wagga, perhaps we could do the same for each location on the list? Do you reckon that'd be overkill? I think you've done a better job than my mspaint skills have, so I'll leave it to you, as long as you use the BOM as the source for the figures.
Also, I've put together a list of evenly spaced locations in the affected area which I'm going to trawl through and find out the actual extent of this heatwave, then I'll take the main locations, or particularly notable ones, maybe even discover what the highest temperature was, and we'll use these locations in the article. I'll readjust the map as per my findings too. Nick carson ( talk) 02:57, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
I've included the temperatures in melbourne for feb so far, it's been 30.8 average, the heatwave is still in effect meteorologically in melbourne but we've benefitted from some southerly sea breezes to take 5-10 degrees off the top of it. We've also got a couple more days predicted over 40 and 35 in the days to come so these few days of 30.2, 33.8, etc, I think should be included. Same goes for other locations that have had small dips in the temp for various reasons.
Also, I have a suspicion that some of the tv news journos are using our article as a source. Nick carson ( talk) 12:28, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
I've confirmed more of the extent of the affected area, I'm updating the map with the realigned and extended area and I'll have it uploaded by tomorrow evening. Nick carson ( talk) 13:10, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
Why is "Southeastern" capitalised, exactly? Daniel ( talk) 07:58, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
It is worth noting that the AUstralian heatwave is not an isolated incident in the region.
Obviously not quite as severe effects, but the heatwave has followed on to New Zealand, with several towns setting their hottest temperatures in recorded history and many population centres recording 40+ degree Celcius temperatures.
Also New Caledonia experienced one last month which set the record temperature for Noumea at 35.6 degrees.
Should the article mention this as well, as it is not only southeastern Australia effected. -- Biatch ( talk) 05:49, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
Regarding the claim of 126+ casualties related to this incident, firstly, the Wiki standards relating to referencing have not been met, such that I would like the authors of this article to properly JUSTIFY their claim of 126+ deaths for the heatwave, and secondly, what is a casualty -- a death, or, in line with the word's ACTUAL meaning, injuries as well as deaths? The figure is entered in the infobox. It is properly referred to as "suspected", though perhaps more accurately it would be "speculative" given it has no supporting references. It has no supporting section in the article that includes any references. So, in other words, while I will refrain from impugning the character of the editor, that figure could have been made up off the top of their head for all a reader knows. The rules of articles go like this: you have article text that says "126+ people are suspected to have died", broken down by reference articles from whatever newspapers, and then referred to in the infobox. I do not dispute that this figure is possible, even likely, but give it is a figure being splashed around other Wikipedia articles, including List_of_disasters_in_Australia_by_death_toll, and, given we live in the age of Stephen Colbert and the whales edit-wars, I would think the editorial standards ought to be much higher for this article. I would contribute in this manner, but, even though I live in Melbourne, I have not heard a single news service refer to this figure -- not even the most tabloid of tabloids, the Herald-Sun, so I don't know where the editors got this from, but I do urge them to correct it. 220.238.18.235 ( talk) 03:02, 10 February 2009 (UTC) user:aragond
I think 48.8 on Saturday 7 Feb at Hopetoun is the highest so far. See [3] Stumps ( talk) 04:55, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
The BOM have just released a detailed report on the heatwave, and how it compares to other records and events. I don't have time to add anything in right now, but the document is here. They've also stated they'll release one on how the weather affected the fires, at a later date. Mostlyharmless ( talk) 23:52, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
I think there should be a subheading under "Effects" regarding the short and long term impact to the water catchments and reservoirs of the Melbourne area. Apart from that immediately posed by the fires, there is the problem of the next major rain washing all the ash and, more importantly, the flame retardant chemicals used, into the reservoirs. Apparently this happened after the Canberra bushfire in 2003, and they still haven't regained potable water standards. I haven't got time to do full research on this, but read opinion piece in The Age. Rolf Schmidt ( talk) 21:41, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
A number of the record temperatures are much higher than the previous ones—in Avalon and Ballarat they were both 2.1° higher than the previous record. I've updated for Avalon, Ballarat and Melbourne, but it would be a good idea for someone to do the others before the BoM updates their record pages. Groogle ( talk) 01:32, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
I am about to add a graph which shows 20 days of Melbourne temperature in greater detail. This image has had its public domain copyright status verified and archived in the OTRS system. If readers click on the thumbnail, they will see the full version. The descriptive text there points them to a still more detailed version with separate graphs for each day. I am not thrilled about the layout of having it on the right. Can anyone suggest a better layout? Alternatively, if there is objection to having even a thumbnail image on the page itself, should I replace it with a little text linking to (via a ref) to the image at commons.wikimedia.org? Robin Whittle ( talk) 04:52, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
Can a section be wrote about each state? -- Aaroncrick (Tassie talk) 05:22, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
We've stalled on 6 confirmed and 126 suspected. I know we and the rest of the world has been focussed on the bushfires, but let's make sure we uncover this information. I'll do some searching through some of the more reliable sources. The last thing we want is an unsubstantiated claim. Nick carson ( talk) 09:24, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
I have added a link at the bottom to this interesting artcle in The Age 26 February 2009. I don't have time add quote from it in this Wikipedia article, but maybe someone else will do this. It describes overall weather patterns and descending air from the middle atmosphere being heated by compression. I don't understand the mechanism behind this, but the air sure felt to me as if it had been heated by something other than sunlight! William Kininmonth is a climatologist and there is a Wikipedia page for him. He beleives that natural variation is a more important factor than greenhouse gasses in extreme weather events such as this. Robin Whittle ( talk) 00:35, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
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What about Tasmania? Scamander yesterday recorded the states highest ever temperature of 42.2 and Launceston also reached it's highest temperature of 39.0. Flinders Island recorded the states previous record temperature on just Thursday with 41.5. Why hasn't anything been put in about the island state? Trust me 39 in Tassie is as warm as about 45 on the mainland. Aaroncrick ( Tassie Talk) 01:53, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
Is it an event that occurs once in 100 years? I've read it somewhere. -- 123.238.92.138 ( talk) 13:09, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
I'd suggest that the article be retitled to 2009 Southeastern Australia heat wave as this is more specifically the area affected, and is a regional definition that is referred to by the Bureau of Meteorology. [1] Melburnian ( talk) 00:18, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
I'll compile a list of locations that are adequately spaced for use in the temperatures section. We'll also include a separate list of the highest temperatures recorded and where they occurred. In the meantime, we should stop adding more and more locations before it gets irrational. Nick carson ( talk) 06:48, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
If a Tasmanian section is made this type of chart could be added.
Aaroncrick (
Tassie Talk)
07:36, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
Fantastic! Aaroncrick ( Tassie Talk) 22:56, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
I like the concept graph for wagga wagga, perhaps we could do the same for each location on the list? Do you reckon that'd be overkill? I think you've done a better job than my mspaint skills have, so I'll leave it to you, as long as you use the BOM as the source for the figures.
Also, I've put together a list of evenly spaced locations in the affected area which I'm going to trawl through and find out the actual extent of this heatwave, then I'll take the main locations, or particularly notable ones, maybe even discover what the highest temperature was, and we'll use these locations in the article. I'll readjust the map as per my findings too. Nick carson ( talk) 02:57, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
I've included the temperatures in melbourne for feb so far, it's been 30.8 average, the heatwave is still in effect meteorologically in melbourne but we've benefitted from some southerly sea breezes to take 5-10 degrees off the top of it. We've also got a couple more days predicted over 40 and 35 in the days to come so these few days of 30.2, 33.8, etc, I think should be included. Same goes for other locations that have had small dips in the temp for various reasons.
Also, I have a suspicion that some of the tv news journos are using our article as a source. Nick carson ( talk) 12:28, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
I've confirmed more of the extent of the affected area, I'm updating the map with the realigned and extended area and I'll have it uploaded by tomorrow evening. Nick carson ( talk) 13:10, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
Why is "Southeastern" capitalised, exactly? Daniel ( talk) 07:58, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
It is worth noting that the AUstralian heatwave is not an isolated incident in the region.
Obviously not quite as severe effects, but the heatwave has followed on to New Zealand, with several towns setting their hottest temperatures in recorded history and many population centres recording 40+ degree Celcius temperatures.
Also New Caledonia experienced one last month which set the record temperature for Noumea at 35.6 degrees.
Should the article mention this as well, as it is not only southeastern Australia effected. -- Biatch ( talk) 05:49, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
Regarding the claim of 126+ casualties related to this incident, firstly, the Wiki standards relating to referencing have not been met, such that I would like the authors of this article to properly JUSTIFY their claim of 126+ deaths for the heatwave, and secondly, what is a casualty -- a death, or, in line with the word's ACTUAL meaning, injuries as well as deaths? The figure is entered in the infobox. It is properly referred to as "suspected", though perhaps more accurately it would be "speculative" given it has no supporting references. It has no supporting section in the article that includes any references. So, in other words, while I will refrain from impugning the character of the editor, that figure could have been made up off the top of their head for all a reader knows. The rules of articles go like this: you have article text that says "126+ people are suspected to have died", broken down by reference articles from whatever newspapers, and then referred to in the infobox. I do not dispute that this figure is possible, even likely, but give it is a figure being splashed around other Wikipedia articles, including List_of_disasters_in_Australia_by_death_toll, and, given we live in the age of Stephen Colbert and the whales edit-wars, I would think the editorial standards ought to be much higher for this article. I would contribute in this manner, but, even though I live in Melbourne, I have not heard a single news service refer to this figure -- not even the most tabloid of tabloids, the Herald-Sun, so I don't know where the editors got this from, but I do urge them to correct it. 220.238.18.235 ( talk) 03:02, 10 February 2009 (UTC) user:aragond
I think 48.8 on Saturday 7 Feb at Hopetoun is the highest so far. See [3] Stumps ( talk) 04:55, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
The BOM have just released a detailed report on the heatwave, and how it compares to other records and events. I don't have time to add anything in right now, but the document is here. They've also stated they'll release one on how the weather affected the fires, at a later date. Mostlyharmless ( talk) 23:52, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
I think there should be a subheading under "Effects" regarding the short and long term impact to the water catchments and reservoirs of the Melbourne area. Apart from that immediately posed by the fires, there is the problem of the next major rain washing all the ash and, more importantly, the flame retardant chemicals used, into the reservoirs. Apparently this happened after the Canberra bushfire in 2003, and they still haven't regained potable water standards. I haven't got time to do full research on this, but read opinion piece in The Age. Rolf Schmidt ( talk) 21:41, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
A number of the record temperatures are much higher than the previous ones—in Avalon and Ballarat they were both 2.1° higher than the previous record. I've updated for Avalon, Ballarat and Melbourne, but it would be a good idea for someone to do the others before the BoM updates their record pages. Groogle ( talk) 01:32, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
I am about to add a graph which shows 20 days of Melbourne temperature in greater detail. This image has had its public domain copyright status verified and archived in the OTRS system. If readers click on the thumbnail, they will see the full version. The descriptive text there points them to a still more detailed version with separate graphs for each day. I am not thrilled about the layout of having it on the right. Can anyone suggest a better layout? Alternatively, if there is objection to having even a thumbnail image on the page itself, should I replace it with a little text linking to (via a ref) to the image at commons.wikimedia.org? Robin Whittle ( talk) 04:52, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
Can a section be wrote about each state? -- Aaroncrick (Tassie talk) 05:22, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
We've stalled on 6 confirmed and 126 suspected. I know we and the rest of the world has been focussed on the bushfires, but let's make sure we uncover this information. I'll do some searching through some of the more reliable sources. The last thing we want is an unsubstantiated claim. Nick carson ( talk) 09:24, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
I have added a link at the bottom to this interesting artcle in The Age 26 February 2009. I don't have time add quote from it in this Wikipedia article, but maybe someone else will do this. It describes overall weather patterns and descending air from the middle atmosphere being heated by compression. I don't understand the mechanism behind this, but the air sure felt to me as if it had been heated by something other than sunlight! William Kininmonth is a climatologist and there is a Wikipedia page for him. He beleives that natural variation is a more important factor than greenhouse gasses in extreme weather events such as this. Robin Whittle ( talk) 00:35, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
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