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Is taken verbatim from page 51 of Pollan's book. It should either be quoted or paraphrased. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DivF ( talk • contribs) 07:12, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
Several paragraphs were removed, all unsourced libelous material was removed, and the source given for the Air Force One remarks is not sufficiently reliable. Please see: Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons and Wikipedia:Reliable sources.-- DO11.10 00:51, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Butz is mentioned heavily in "the omnivore's dilemma", in a discussion of the radical shift in how agriculture subsidies and controls worked during his tenure in office, leading to a huge drop in corn prices since then.
This is sourced (time magazine) and notable for two reasons - first, such a statement by the U.S. Sec. of Ag., acting in his official capacity, is clearly worthy of interest, as shown by the attention given by major media like time
Second, those old enough to recall the Nixon presidency will know that their was a great deal of hypocrysiy about foul language - in the privacy of the oval office, nixon cursed like a sailor, but in his public persona, he was pure and chastized others who were note. The butz quote is part of this presidential history. (not that nixon was alone in his hypocrysy, but I think he was more aggresive) Cinnamon colbert 13:26, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
The issue with that section is there is no context/history/detail of the quote. In its current state that section is junk. Im going to remove it. If you can give it more context and fit it into the article properly please re-write it. But as it is its a BLP/POV issue Betacommand ( talk • contribs • Bot) 14:09, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
I have removed those versions from the history for BLP issues. While the section may be relevant, in its current version it is highly POV and borderline defamatory. Please consider heavily how to write it before it is reinserted. ^ demon [omg plz] 14:52, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
The quote used "niggers," not "coloreds." I fixed this, while uncensoring pussy and shit. Is it not unprofessional to censor profanity? We need not cater specifically to children. Quote him verbatim. If we have an article on "nigger," there is no reason to censor it when it was used in a quote. The DASHbot auto-reverted my edits, calling them "unconstructive." Fixing a quote to be accurate and removing the unnecessary censorship is not unconstructive and it is not vandalism.
Primary sources http://www.dailyrotten.com/ point to coloreds, not that this makes the riposte any less disgusting, but that's nixon for you, he was hardly known for promoting love and equality on any level of government.-- Cymbelmineer ( talk) 23:16, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
I'm not sure where or how this should be included but there's a pretty direct reference to this quote in Frisky Dingo 2x03 it's slightly modified but no doubt it was inspired by this quote. Comment? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.54.38.240 ( talk) 05:06, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
The direct quote now in the article appears to be correct. But I think part of the notability of the statement is the amount of exposure it got, and one report significant to me, at least, has been left out. I assume this is after the referenced and quoted article in Rolling Stone by John Dean; at the time of the scandal, Rolling Stone published a graphic consisting of a grid titled "What He Said And What They Said He Said", or something to that effect, and went on to list each of the sub-phrases in Butz' statement and what each of the other news outlets reported in their various bowdlerizations. I don't have access to Rolling Stone's "All Access" (presumably a part of their site behind a pay-wall) but I think it would be pertinent to this article to either reproduce the graphic here or at least reference it. I'm not doing so only because I choose not to create an edit that is not properly attributed, and such attribution may be possible with access to the "All Access" part of Rollingstone.com or to the original printed material. - Tzf ( talk) 20:06, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
It's variously mentioned that Earl Butz had the nickname "Rusty". If someone could dig out a good authoritative source on that, then maybe an incoming redirect of Earl "Rusty" Butz could be added. 31.18.248.254 ( talk) 23:51, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
Done DylPickle666 ( talk) 05:22, 16 January 2019 (UTC)DylPickle666
"Earl Butz" is the name of the enormous pig in Jane Smiley's book "Moo". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.51.145.197 ( talk) 04:47, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
There is some confusion over WHEN the debate took place, '77 or '78. I am investigating and will correct if needed. brtom ( talk) 16:26, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
Everything I'm seeing, with the exception of the Library of America chronology, points to November of 1977. So I have made the change. brtom ( talk)
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This paragraph
Is taken verbatim from page 51 of Pollan's book. It should either be quoted or paraphrased. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DivF ( talk • contribs) 07:12, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
Several paragraphs were removed, all unsourced libelous material was removed, and the source given for the Air Force One remarks is not sufficiently reliable. Please see: Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons and Wikipedia:Reliable sources.-- DO11.10 00:51, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Butz is mentioned heavily in "the omnivore's dilemma", in a discussion of the radical shift in how agriculture subsidies and controls worked during his tenure in office, leading to a huge drop in corn prices since then.
This is sourced (time magazine) and notable for two reasons - first, such a statement by the U.S. Sec. of Ag., acting in his official capacity, is clearly worthy of interest, as shown by the attention given by major media like time
Second, those old enough to recall the Nixon presidency will know that their was a great deal of hypocrysiy about foul language - in the privacy of the oval office, nixon cursed like a sailor, but in his public persona, he was pure and chastized others who were note. The butz quote is part of this presidential history. (not that nixon was alone in his hypocrysy, but I think he was more aggresive) Cinnamon colbert 13:26, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
The issue with that section is there is no context/history/detail of the quote. In its current state that section is junk. Im going to remove it. If you can give it more context and fit it into the article properly please re-write it. But as it is its a BLP/POV issue Betacommand ( talk • contribs • Bot) 14:09, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
I have removed those versions from the history for BLP issues. While the section may be relevant, in its current version it is highly POV and borderline defamatory. Please consider heavily how to write it before it is reinserted. ^ demon [omg plz] 14:52, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
The quote used "niggers," not "coloreds." I fixed this, while uncensoring pussy and shit. Is it not unprofessional to censor profanity? We need not cater specifically to children. Quote him verbatim. If we have an article on "nigger," there is no reason to censor it when it was used in a quote. The DASHbot auto-reverted my edits, calling them "unconstructive." Fixing a quote to be accurate and removing the unnecessary censorship is not unconstructive and it is not vandalism.
Primary sources http://www.dailyrotten.com/ point to coloreds, not that this makes the riposte any less disgusting, but that's nixon for you, he was hardly known for promoting love and equality on any level of government.-- Cymbelmineer ( talk) 23:16, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
I'm not sure where or how this should be included but there's a pretty direct reference to this quote in Frisky Dingo 2x03 it's slightly modified but no doubt it was inspired by this quote. Comment? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.54.38.240 ( talk) 05:06, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
The direct quote now in the article appears to be correct. But I think part of the notability of the statement is the amount of exposure it got, and one report significant to me, at least, has been left out. I assume this is after the referenced and quoted article in Rolling Stone by John Dean; at the time of the scandal, Rolling Stone published a graphic consisting of a grid titled "What He Said And What They Said He Said", or something to that effect, and went on to list each of the sub-phrases in Butz' statement and what each of the other news outlets reported in their various bowdlerizations. I don't have access to Rolling Stone's "All Access" (presumably a part of their site behind a pay-wall) but I think it would be pertinent to this article to either reproduce the graphic here or at least reference it. I'm not doing so only because I choose not to create an edit that is not properly attributed, and such attribution may be possible with access to the "All Access" part of Rollingstone.com or to the original printed material. - Tzf ( talk) 20:06, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
It's variously mentioned that Earl Butz had the nickname "Rusty". If someone could dig out a good authoritative source on that, then maybe an incoming redirect of Earl "Rusty" Butz could be added. 31.18.248.254 ( talk) 23:51, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
Done DylPickle666 ( talk) 05:22, 16 January 2019 (UTC)DylPickle666
"Earl Butz" is the name of the enormous pig in Jane Smiley's book "Moo". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.51.145.197 ( talk) 04:47, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
There is some confusion over WHEN the debate took place, '77 or '78. I am investigating and will correct if needed. brtom ( talk) 16:26, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
Everything I'm seeing, with the exception of the Library of America chronology, points to November of 1977. So I have made the change. brtom ( talk)