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I am removing the following text, as it is inaccurate:
The Old English word for Ealdormen is, indeed, "Ealdormen" itself. The conservative spelling has survived intact. The spelling "Ældormenn" is virtually unattested within the Old English corpus. Ealdormen is the most common Old English spelling. Aside from that, describing "Ealdormen" as meaning "older men" is arguably undesirable, as OE "men" is generally considered to be gender neutral and no equivalent modern term exists. -- Yst 20:50, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
Is magistrate an appropriate description for Ealdorman, or would King's representative or deputy be a better approximation? -- Smile 01:24, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I'd suggest merging Thegn to here, and dealing with the other nebulous Anglo-Saxon titles which appear as the Latin patricius, dux, comes, princeps, praefectus, subregulus, and the rest. As I understand it, ealdorman is simply a vernacular term for "important nobleman". One "ealdorman" can be a dux, another a princeps, and a third a praefectus. Some ealdormen are clearly independent rulers, others are royal servants. At present the article deals only with the 10th century Wessex type of ealdormen. This would probably mean moving the article to Anglo-Saxon nobility or something like that, but splitting things up makes it hard to cover them properly. Thoughts? Angus McLellan (Talk) 13:19, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Merging the Scandinavian Thegn/Tegn with Ealdorman seems wrong to me. My comments:
Regards Osli73 15:02, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
If we have a page that is about ealdormen, we should most certainly compile the list of ealdormen.-- 24.22.111.99 04:12, 26 February 2007 (UTC)Kyle McKenzie Street
An Ealdorman was the Anglo-Saxon eqivalent of a great magnate such as the latterday Earls, Marquesses or Dukes. Whereas the Thanage was equivalent to the Knightage. Both could act as King's officers, but as with the similar situation in Scotland where the Thanes were powerful officers of the King's peace, the Ealdorman just as the Scots Mormaer was a king himself, albeit locally. This merge should not be carried out for the simple reason that, although there were Ealdormen in what is now Scotland, that it was only in those parts that formed the Kingdom of Northumbria, whereas Thanes in common with Scandinavia were spread throughout, cf MacBeth, Thane of Glamis and Cawdor! for a good essay on the subject please see Scotland c1000-1200: The Shire, the Thane, the Sheriff and the Sheriffdom. Ewan J. Innes, MA(Hons Scot. Hist.) FSA Scot Brendandh 20:22, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
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I am removing the following text, as it is inaccurate:
The Old English word for Ealdormen is, indeed, "Ealdormen" itself. The conservative spelling has survived intact. The spelling "Ældormenn" is virtually unattested within the Old English corpus. Ealdormen is the most common Old English spelling. Aside from that, describing "Ealdormen" as meaning "older men" is arguably undesirable, as OE "men" is generally considered to be gender neutral and no equivalent modern term exists. -- Yst 20:50, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
Is magistrate an appropriate description for Ealdorman, or would King's representative or deputy be a better approximation? -- Smile 01:24, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I'd suggest merging Thegn to here, and dealing with the other nebulous Anglo-Saxon titles which appear as the Latin patricius, dux, comes, princeps, praefectus, subregulus, and the rest. As I understand it, ealdorman is simply a vernacular term for "important nobleman". One "ealdorman" can be a dux, another a princeps, and a third a praefectus. Some ealdormen are clearly independent rulers, others are royal servants. At present the article deals only with the 10th century Wessex type of ealdormen. This would probably mean moving the article to Anglo-Saxon nobility or something like that, but splitting things up makes it hard to cover them properly. Thoughts? Angus McLellan (Talk) 13:19, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Merging the Scandinavian Thegn/Tegn with Ealdorman seems wrong to me. My comments:
Regards Osli73 15:02, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
If we have a page that is about ealdormen, we should most certainly compile the list of ealdormen.-- 24.22.111.99 04:12, 26 February 2007 (UTC)Kyle McKenzie Street
An Ealdorman was the Anglo-Saxon eqivalent of a great magnate such as the latterday Earls, Marquesses or Dukes. Whereas the Thanage was equivalent to the Knightage. Both could act as King's officers, but as with the similar situation in Scotland where the Thanes were powerful officers of the King's peace, the Ealdorman just as the Scots Mormaer was a king himself, albeit locally. This merge should not be carried out for the simple reason that, although there were Ealdormen in what is now Scotland, that it was only in those parts that formed the Kingdom of Northumbria, whereas Thanes in common with Scandinavia were spread throughout, cf MacBeth, Thane of Glamis and Cawdor! for a good essay on the subject please see Scotland c1000-1200: The Shire, the Thane, the Sheriff and the Sheriffdom. Ewan J. Innes, MA(Hons Scot. Hist.) FSA Scot Brendandh 20:22, 1 April 2007 (UTC)