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@ Hyacinth: There are cultural issues with your edits. You are adding information by outsider anthropologists that is not in alignment with the information and cultural protocols in the Indigenous communities whose intellectual and cultural property are being made public here, even though it is in the form of misinformation and misrepresentation. This is of concern to members of the Indigenous communities in question. Please email me as I would prefer this not be discussed in public. My email is enabled via my talk page. Thank you. - CorbieV ☊ ☼ 16:46, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
As has been explained to me, Wikipedia relies on written citations and policies. For instance, WP:PSTS. To insist that there is an issue with an article that can't be written down is thus unreliable, and should be avoided. To insist that material should be removed, but be unable to write down a reason, is thus unreliable and should be avoided. Hyacinth ( talk) 22:11, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
How is it inherently clear on talk pages and edit summaries that given the sacred nature of the whistle, publication of details such as pictures and construction are inappropriate, but requires a citation when explained in the article? Hyacinth ( talk) 04:34, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
I don't know what makes the late Barney Old Coyote a "plastic shaman". The Bozeman Chronicle calls him a, "warrior, educator, [and] Indian rights advocate." Hyacinth ( talk) 04:12, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
The material paragraph discussing the Migratory Bird Treaty Act of 1918 and the Eagle feather law, is repeated in this article [and in those articles 23:11, 18 July 2016 (UTC)]. This material has little relevance to one part of one animal covered by this law, no instances or examples are given, and no part of the law discussing eagles or whistles is quoted. All discussion of the construction of the whistle has been removed as irrelevant. Do the laws of an invading government which are assumed to cover the article's subject deserve more coverage than the subject's existence, construction, conceptualization, or use? Perhaps the eagle-bone whistle article should be redirected? Hyacinth ( talk) 04:20, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
One source is listed as "Fred W, Voget (1984). The Shoshoni-Crow Sun Dance. The Shoshoni-Crow Sun Dance...". I assume that the name of the book Voget Fred wrote is not titled "The Shoshoni-Crow Sun Dance" with a subtitle of "The Shoshoni-Crow Sun Dance", and I also assume that the book titled "The Shoshoni-Crow Sun Dance" is not a part of a series title "The Shoshoni-Crow Sun Dance". Hyacinth ( talk) 04:31, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
This article could have a few more links to some of the sources cited, such as Luther Standing Bear, which would presumably help in a reader's evaluation and location of those sources. Hyacinth ( talk) 04:44, 18 July 2016 (UTC) [Modified 22:43, 18 July 2016 (UTC)]
Only two of the references cited use the spelling "eagle bone whistle" rather than "eagle-bone whistle": Gannon (2009), a Lakota critic, and Indian Country Today Media Network. Hyacinth ( talk) 23:17, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
{{ Indigenous rights footer}} is currently in the article, though it is not linked to in the template. This article is "too specific" to be linked to in this template, which "is about issues" Is this template appropriate for the article? Hyacinth ( talk) 05:22, 19 July 2016 (UTC) [05:45, 19 July 2016 (UTC)]
This article may have issues with WP:PSTS. Perhaps the citations should indicate whether the source is primary, secondary, or tertiary. Hyacinth ( talk) 00:18, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
These references should most likely not be readded
Hyacinth ( Hyacinth ( talk) 08:17, 19 July 2016 (UTC))
This article is rated Start-class on Wikipedia's
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Being a sacred object, images and sound files of this article subject should not be requested. |
@ Hyacinth: There are cultural issues with your edits. You are adding information by outsider anthropologists that is not in alignment with the information and cultural protocols in the Indigenous communities whose intellectual and cultural property are being made public here, even though it is in the form of misinformation and misrepresentation. This is of concern to members of the Indigenous communities in question. Please email me as I would prefer this not be discussed in public. My email is enabled via my talk page. Thank you. - CorbieV ☊ ☼ 16:46, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
As has been explained to me, Wikipedia relies on written citations and policies. For instance, WP:PSTS. To insist that there is an issue with an article that can't be written down is thus unreliable, and should be avoided. To insist that material should be removed, but be unable to write down a reason, is thus unreliable and should be avoided. Hyacinth ( talk) 22:11, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
How is it inherently clear on talk pages and edit summaries that given the sacred nature of the whistle, publication of details such as pictures and construction are inappropriate, but requires a citation when explained in the article? Hyacinth ( talk) 04:34, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
I don't know what makes the late Barney Old Coyote a "plastic shaman". The Bozeman Chronicle calls him a, "warrior, educator, [and] Indian rights advocate." Hyacinth ( talk) 04:12, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
The material paragraph discussing the Migratory Bird Treaty Act of 1918 and the Eagle feather law, is repeated in this article [and in those articles 23:11, 18 July 2016 (UTC)]. This material has little relevance to one part of one animal covered by this law, no instances or examples are given, and no part of the law discussing eagles or whistles is quoted. All discussion of the construction of the whistle has been removed as irrelevant. Do the laws of an invading government which are assumed to cover the article's subject deserve more coverage than the subject's existence, construction, conceptualization, or use? Perhaps the eagle-bone whistle article should be redirected? Hyacinth ( talk) 04:20, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
One source is listed as "Fred W, Voget (1984). The Shoshoni-Crow Sun Dance. The Shoshoni-Crow Sun Dance...". I assume that the name of the book Voget Fred wrote is not titled "The Shoshoni-Crow Sun Dance" with a subtitle of "The Shoshoni-Crow Sun Dance", and I also assume that the book titled "The Shoshoni-Crow Sun Dance" is not a part of a series title "The Shoshoni-Crow Sun Dance". Hyacinth ( talk) 04:31, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
This article could have a few more links to some of the sources cited, such as Luther Standing Bear, which would presumably help in a reader's evaluation and location of those sources. Hyacinth ( talk) 04:44, 18 July 2016 (UTC) [Modified 22:43, 18 July 2016 (UTC)]
Only two of the references cited use the spelling "eagle bone whistle" rather than "eagle-bone whistle": Gannon (2009), a Lakota critic, and Indian Country Today Media Network. Hyacinth ( talk) 23:17, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
{{ Indigenous rights footer}} is currently in the article, though it is not linked to in the template. This article is "too specific" to be linked to in this template, which "is about issues" Is this template appropriate for the article? Hyacinth ( talk) 05:22, 19 July 2016 (UTC) [05:45, 19 July 2016 (UTC)]
This article may have issues with WP:PSTS. Perhaps the citations should indicate whether the source is primary, secondary, or tertiary. Hyacinth ( talk) 00:18, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
These references should most likely not be readded
Hyacinth ( Hyacinth ( talk) 08:17, 19 July 2016 (UTC))