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Wouldn't 'eth' - ð - be better transliterated into Modern English as 'th' than 'd' the way it is used in this article? Plynn9 18:14, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
User:Berig says the identification Áli = Onela is older than Wikipedia. I would like to see a decent reference for that. As it stands, there is only a reference to Ála being a genitiv form. I think this is trying to make the reader believe that the identification is supported by the evidence. The reference provided is very unspecific http://www.sofi.se/GetDoc?meta_id=1464, to a portal site completely in Swedish. I dug it up, but it does not prove anything. Waste of time. Now Berig, put up, or I will delete again. / Pieter Kuiper 00:16, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
Look, in the reference so kindly provided by yourself, Andersson explicitly states that Áli, although appearing in Ynglingatal, is not a member of the Yngling dynasty. / Pieter Kuiper 08:45, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
If Áli was an Yngling, Snorri did not know about this. That is Anderson's position, I do not think it is possible that he meant anything else. / Pieter Kuiper 15:36, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
User:Berig has deleted three times in a row a scholarly reference to the PhD thesis of Carl Elund Anderson, for reasons that are difficult to understand. Berig himself has adduced this thesis as an authority (see edit history, talk page). Berig regards this as 'his' article, it seems, to be read as gospel, not to be edited by anybody else. Well, in that case he can have his own website, but this is not acceptable behaviour on Wikipedia. I will report this as a violation of WP:3RR. / Pieter Kuiper 07:47, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
please try to find a compromise solution. It seems it is undisputed that the Ynglingatal does explicitly state Áli was a member of the Ynglings. In this case, why refer to Anderson? Merely state "the roughly contemporary Norwegian Ynglingatal (which does not explicitly count Áli among the Ynglings)" or something. dab (𒁳) 10:14, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
Pieter Kuiper: try to be reasonable. Yes, the All=Onela identification is a conjecture, and you can well demand that we note that it is one. That's it. It is not our conjecture, it is a perfectly documented and uncontroversial hypothesis. If you now try to trick Berig into 3RR violation instead of presenting valid arguments, you'll just attract attention to the fact that you hardly have the upper hand in this debate. dab (𒁳) 08:31, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
Haukurth proposes an alternative wording in the caption of the picture of the mounds, where I had deleted the phrase "and archaeological finds support this identification". Well, first of all I think that a figure caption should describe the picture. I would prefer plain vanilla: 'Burial mounds at Gamla Uppsala'. Let the text of the section deal with interpretations. I can see no good reason for Haukurth's expansion of the caption. / Pieter Kuiper 22:18, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
Pieter Kuiper removed a reference claiming that it is not "readily available". I disagree and I would like to help him out by showing this link which indicates 13 Swedish libraries where he can consult the work, or from which he can order a copy or photocopies.-- Berig 08:20, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
Policy is that a source in English should be given when available ( WP:V#Sources_in_languages_other_than_English). I am certain some of you have a English book at home which gives a date for this Beowulf-personage Eadgils. / Pieter Kuiper 09:08, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
I had removed the statement that in Ynglingasaga Snorri had used Skjöldunga saga as a source. The was a reference to page 150 of Birger Nerman's book. Well, I could not find support for the statement there. Now User:Berig claims that he "reinserted", but now the reference is to page 103 - sneaky. / Pieter Kuiper 19:33, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
He is also running around on the Swedish Wikipedia, all the time deleting other's work, totally unconcious of their feelings. He leaves articles that others have worked with for weeks in a state of total trash, with useless info about some scholar somewhere who once disagreed to obvious facts. He is just a well educated vandal, driven by typical leftwing political correctness, and should be banished or at least told to calm down and stop destroying articles. / LeosVän 23:17, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
How do we know that this was not Aldgisl? Frisian/Danish/Swæfum kings' lists, transferred by the Icelanders to Sweden? / Pieter Kuiper 22:44, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
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Wouldn't 'eth' - ð - be better transliterated into Modern English as 'th' than 'd' the way it is used in this article? Plynn9 18:14, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
User:Berig says the identification Áli = Onela is older than Wikipedia. I would like to see a decent reference for that. As it stands, there is only a reference to Ála being a genitiv form. I think this is trying to make the reader believe that the identification is supported by the evidence. The reference provided is very unspecific http://www.sofi.se/GetDoc?meta_id=1464, to a portal site completely in Swedish. I dug it up, but it does not prove anything. Waste of time. Now Berig, put up, or I will delete again. / Pieter Kuiper 00:16, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
Look, in the reference so kindly provided by yourself, Andersson explicitly states that Áli, although appearing in Ynglingatal, is not a member of the Yngling dynasty. / Pieter Kuiper 08:45, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
If Áli was an Yngling, Snorri did not know about this. That is Anderson's position, I do not think it is possible that he meant anything else. / Pieter Kuiper 15:36, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
User:Berig has deleted three times in a row a scholarly reference to the PhD thesis of Carl Elund Anderson, for reasons that are difficult to understand. Berig himself has adduced this thesis as an authority (see edit history, talk page). Berig regards this as 'his' article, it seems, to be read as gospel, not to be edited by anybody else. Well, in that case he can have his own website, but this is not acceptable behaviour on Wikipedia. I will report this as a violation of WP:3RR. / Pieter Kuiper 07:47, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
please try to find a compromise solution. It seems it is undisputed that the Ynglingatal does explicitly state Áli was a member of the Ynglings. In this case, why refer to Anderson? Merely state "the roughly contemporary Norwegian Ynglingatal (which does not explicitly count Áli among the Ynglings)" or something. dab (𒁳) 10:14, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
Pieter Kuiper: try to be reasonable. Yes, the All=Onela identification is a conjecture, and you can well demand that we note that it is one. That's it. It is not our conjecture, it is a perfectly documented and uncontroversial hypothesis. If you now try to trick Berig into 3RR violation instead of presenting valid arguments, you'll just attract attention to the fact that you hardly have the upper hand in this debate. dab (𒁳) 08:31, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
Haukurth proposes an alternative wording in the caption of the picture of the mounds, where I had deleted the phrase "and archaeological finds support this identification". Well, first of all I think that a figure caption should describe the picture. I would prefer plain vanilla: 'Burial mounds at Gamla Uppsala'. Let the text of the section deal with interpretations. I can see no good reason for Haukurth's expansion of the caption. / Pieter Kuiper 22:18, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
Pieter Kuiper removed a reference claiming that it is not "readily available". I disagree and I would like to help him out by showing this link which indicates 13 Swedish libraries where he can consult the work, or from which he can order a copy or photocopies.-- Berig 08:20, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
Policy is that a source in English should be given when available ( WP:V#Sources_in_languages_other_than_English). I am certain some of you have a English book at home which gives a date for this Beowulf-personage Eadgils. / Pieter Kuiper 09:08, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
I had removed the statement that in Ynglingasaga Snorri had used Skjöldunga saga as a source. The was a reference to page 150 of Birger Nerman's book. Well, I could not find support for the statement there. Now User:Berig claims that he "reinserted", but now the reference is to page 103 - sneaky. / Pieter Kuiper 19:33, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
He is also running around on the Swedish Wikipedia, all the time deleting other's work, totally unconcious of their feelings. He leaves articles that others have worked with for weeks in a state of total trash, with useless info about some scholar somewhere who once disagreed to obvious facts. He is just a well educated vandal, driven by typical leftwing political correctness, and should be banished or at least told to calm down and stop destroying articles. / LeosVän 23:17, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
How do we know that this was not Aldgisl? Frisian/Danish/Swæfum kings' lists, transferred by the Icelanders to Sweden? / Pieter Kuiper 22:44, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
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