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Hi, I have been working with Thing to try and reform this article to meet quality standards. Please see discussion here here. I tried to post this re-worked version taking into account the articles which were mentioned. I believe that although the subject of this article is a company, it is noteworthy (beacuse of coverage in secondary sources like FT, Economist, The Times, Release 1.0, etc) and the article is written to be completely objective will all facts referenced by reliable secondary sources. If I haven't lived up to either of these criteria please give me a little help on how to do this as I believe an article on this company is an important contribution to wikipedia. Thanks! Travisb4279 ( talk) 10:27, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
I have removed a flock of peacocks. Springnuts ( talk) 09:57, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
... which were promptly reverted. The article had massive issues of peacockery and author COI. I edited it to a more NPOV form, explaining each revision in an edit summary (see this diff: [ [1]]). Rather than an IP address with clear COI issues - see this: [ [2]] - simply reverting as here [ [3]] and here [ [4]] (in each case without even an edit summary), could I please suggest debating any perceived issues here first. Springnuts ( talk) 20:34, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
Hi, I've been trying to edit this article for a few months and thought I had written a pretty good article.
I think the company is notable and interesting, evidenced by the fact that it's been featured in reliable third party sources (Economist, FT) and has supporters that include OR Experts (Cindy Barnhart is now the Associate Dean of Engineering at MIT and Esther Dyson is as Internet as it gets). In October, the article was tagged for deletion, and I worked with an admin to re-write the article to meet quality and NPOV standards. I am slightly frustrated by the fact that another admin has now come along and tagged the article for deletion notwithstanding the work I have put in to develop the article. I appreciate your help but I respectfully believe that some of the "de-peacocking" of the article has taken away content and facts about the company that is important for those trying to understand what makes it notable.
1) In the new revision the company is described as a "courier service". I do not believe this is an accurate description, or at least it is only part of the story. They are a courier service in the same way that Google is a website. The entire point of the company, it seems to me, is to be an IT platform / Internet Business with a courier company as a wrapper. This is the point made in one of the sources I cited--an article by Esther Dyson in Release 1.0. It is echoed by the recent article in Computing (the largest UK Technology weekly) by one of the founders who describes it as an "Internet service business" [5]. But all in all I think this is a decision the reader should make and it should perhaps be given treatment in the article?
2) Because the article has been redacted, in particular the description of the constraints of same day delivery (e.g. "hereby clients place orders with little or no advance notice requesting immediate transport of articles or documents") it is hard to see what is unique about the technology they have developed or why they are working with Operational Research academics to try and solve the problem. I think it is also useful to the reader to give a more in-depth view of how their software works--as it is this which primarily makes the company notable.
3) There was a section on brand I believe is also important to the notability of the company and its operation. The picture is the most recognisable "front end" of the company so will help the reader conceptualise this. Compare here the discussion of "operating units and logos" in the FedEx article which includes pictures of their branded vehicles and planes.
4) I don't know the Wikipedia policy on this but the sources section included Reliable sources not directly referenced in the article which were used in drawing it up and might be useful for readers wanting to get quality further information. None of the links point back to the company itself.
I would really appreciate if we could work together to improve the quality of the article--looking forward to your thoughts on the above. Travisb4279 ( talk) 23:32, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
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The articles about the company founders have been turned into redirects to here; brief details of their recognition have been added to the article. Springnuts ( talk) 23:18, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
These decisions are approaching consensus any substantal changes to this article or the founders redirect pages SHOULD be discussed here, otherwise it will likely be considered vandalism. These pages have been having an issue with NPOV and Autobiographical edits. — raeky ( talk | edits) 03:06, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
Travisb4279 seems to be Tom Allason or his friends. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.148.89.37 ( talk) 09:42, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
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Hi, I have been working with Thing to try and reform this article to meet quality standards. Please see discussion here here. I tried to post this re-worked version taking into account the articles which were mentioned. I believe that although the subject of this article is a company, it is noteworthy (beacuse of coverage in secondary sources like FT, Economist, The Times, Release 1.0, etc) and the article is written to be completely objective will all facts referenced by reliable secondary sources. If I haven't lived up to either of these criteria please give me a little help on how to do this as I believe an article on this company is an important contribution to wikipedia. Thanks! Travisb4279 ( talk) 10:27, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
I have removed a flock of peacocks. Springnuts ( talk) 09:57, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
... which were promptly reverted. The article had massive issues of peacockery and author COI. I edited it to a more NPOV form, explaining each revision in an edit summary (see this diff: [ [1]]). Rather than an IP address with clear COI issues - see this: [ [2]] - simply reverting as here [ [3]] and here [ [4]] (in each case without even an edit summary), could I please suggest debating any perceived issues here first. Springnuts ( talk) 20:34, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
Hi, I've been trying to edit this article for a few months and thought I had written a pretty good article.
I think the company is notable and interesting, evidenced by the fact that it's been featured in reliable third party sources (Economist, FT) and has supporters that include OR Experts (Cindy Barnhart is now the Associate Dean of Engineering at MIT and Esther Dyson is as Internet as it gets). In October, the article was tagged for deletion, and I worked with an admin to re-write the article to meet quality and NPOV standards. I am slightly frustrated by the fact that another admin has now come along and tagged the article for deletion notwithstanding the work I have put in to develop the article. I appreciate your help but I respectfully believe that some of the "de-peacocking" of the article has taken away content and facts about the company that is important for those trying to understand what makes it notable.
1) In the new revision the company is described as a "courier service". I do not believe this is an accurate description, or at least it is only part of the story. They are a courier service in the same way that Google is a website. The entire point of the company, it seems to me, is to be an IT platform / Internet Business with a courier company as a wrapper. This is the point made in one of the sources I cited--an article by Esther Dyson in Release 1.0. It is echoed by the recent article in Computing (the largest UK Technology weekly) by one of the founders who describes it as an "Internet service business" [5]. But all in all I think this is a decision the reader should make and it should perhaps be given treatment in the article?
2) Because the article has been redacted, in particular the description of the constraints of same day delivery (e.g. "hereby clients place orders with little or no advance notice requesting immediate transport of articles or documents") it is hard to see what is unique about the technology they have developed or why they are working with Operational Research academics to try and solve the problem. I think it is also useful to the reader to give a more in-depth view of how their software works--as it is this which primarily makes the company notable.
3) There was a section on brand I believe is also important to the notability of the company and its operation. The picture is the most recognisable "front end" of the company so will help the reader conceptualise this. Compare here the discussion of "operating units and logos" in the FedEx article which includes pictures of their branded vehicles and planes.
4) I don't know the Wikipedia policy on this but the sources section included Reliable sources not directly referenced in the article which were used in drawing it up and might be useful for readers wanting to get quality further information. None of the links point back to the company itself.
I would really appreciate if we could work together to improve the quality of the article--looking forward to your thoughts on the above. Travisb4279 ( talk) 23:32, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
- - -
The articles about the company founders have been turned into redirects to here; brief details of their recognition have been added to the article. Springnuts ( talk) 23:18, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
These decisions are approaching consensus any substantal changes to this article or the founders redirect pages SHOULD be discussed here, otherwise it will likely be considered vandalism. These pages have been having an issue with NPOV and Autobiographical edits. — raeky ( talk | edits) 03:06, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
Travisb4279 seems to be Tom Allason or his friends. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.148.89.37 ( talk) 09:42, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
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