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Vermont should be gray on the map, not dark red. There are no tolled public highways in the state (the Mt. Mansield "Toll Road" is a privately run tourist attraction, not a through route). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:19B:C703:40E0:B9DE:A5B1:CD6B:9CA2 ( talk) 14:12, 29 October 2019 (UTC)
This article needs major revision - first off it needs to open with what IS E-Zpass, not some disconnected and complex blurb about functionality.
"All of the states use the same technology, allowing travelers to use the same E-ZPass tag in multiple states."
I edited the section on discounts, since Massport (which owns the Tobin Bridge) does provide discounts to tagholders from other agencies. So it was misleading to say that the 3 New England turnpike authorities (which implies all of the authorities in the region) don't provide non-member discounts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.190.166.162 ( talk) 18:12, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
I could be wrong but is Massachusetts' Fast Lane and Virginia's Smart Tag programs actually part of E-ZPass? I went onto their respective sites and I couldn't find any references to E-ZPass. Any clarification is appreciated. Misterrick 21:41, 28 July 2005 (UTC).
I heard somewhre that someone received a speeding ticket in the mail because they got to their exit more quickly than possible if they'd have followed the limit and E-ZPass picked up on this. If this is true, should we add mention of it to the article? - Phantom784 22:32, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
-- Gloriamarie 19:58, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
Typically, I think the legality of this (tracking your average speed) may have something to do with the fact that an entry/exit time on a road (i.e. NYS Thruway, NJ Tpk, MassPike) could be used to calculate the average speed, but all the speeding tickets I've gotten are a record of me speeding at a certain place and time. With just an average, there may be some requirement to change existing traffic laws to include this mean value and to use toll entry/exit as a speed detection device much like a Radar/laser or calibrated spedometer is already listed on the books.
-- Rhearnct 09:47, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
The E-ZPass members do not track speeds for any enforcement purpose. In Northern New Jersey and New York City speeds are tracked but the tag identifyer is encrypted to prevent direct identification of the user. This information is used to identify congestion points and average speeds. Speeding through a toll plaza may result in the loss of your E-ZPass for a period of time depending on the frequency of the abuse.
-- 151.196.29.69 15:13, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Getting a speeding ticket due to E-ZPass is an urban legend. A bill was even passed in NJ to make that illegal. No one would use E-ZPass if it could result in speeding tickets. ;-)
Double Think 02:47, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
This was debunked by Snopes. Ekips ( talk) 20:10, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
Something could perhaps be made of the privacy concerns surrounding the EZPass adoption-- that there is an electronic record of everywhere you go that takes the EZPass. I might do this myself later but wanted to bring up the idea, anyway.
-- Gloriamarie 19:58, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
I have added a U.S. government privacy implications document that encompasses E-ZPass as part of the overall U.S. Department of Transportation set of programs for an ITS (Intelligent Transportation Systems).
Then along came Peter, who deleted it.
Double Think 00:43, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
How could we verify whether EZ-Pass is the largest ETC system in the US and possibly in the world based on the number of registered tags and vehicles processed?
-- Rhearnct 09:43, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
This is a serious response, not spam: try asking the question at uclue.com for say $20. If they find the answer, they will state the sources.
Double Think 00:13, 24 March 2007 (UTC) There are around 9 million E-ZPass accounts represented by over 16 million transponders on the road. This was stated by Jim Crawford, E-ZPass interagency Group Executive Director during a toll industry conference in Austin, TX during April 2007.
Peter,
The E-ZPass page said it suffered from a lack of cites, and so I provided new information with an authoritative cite, http://orwellian.org/public_ITS_docs/ITS_001.pdf . I see you've done a major reformatting of what I entered.
That's fine, I am not good at all for formatting things Wikipedia style.
But I do have extensive information to contribute, and your Wiki page says that you specialize in the reformatting. Great!
Now tell me what should be done about the privacy concerns document that I had put up, http://orwellian.org/public_ITS_docs/ITS_009.pdf , and that you deleted all reference to.
That document, along with many others, can no longer be found on the Net. I managed to squirrel them away before they were wiped out.
Then there is the large amount of information I have that is split between being oriented for commercial versus non-commercial transponders. And I used the phrase in the commercial text "E-ZPass type transponders, which you changed. I don't know if the planned rollout for all commercial vehicles' transponders is properly called E-ZPass.
A problem here is that E-ZPass is a transponder that is going to inter-operate with the U.S. DOT's larger ITS plans, so how do we integrate or at least slightly overlap the transponder information? One of my problems with Wikipedia is that it tends to break information up into such small segments that it becomes uninformative without the most persistent clicking around.
I have an update on the required electronic license plates for Britain. I'm not sure if it happened that way. See:
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/transport/article334686.ece
Could you make the update?
You've put in red 'Automated Vehicle Identification'. I can end up providing a separate section for that, but could you update for E-ZPass specifically this addition:
http://orwellian.org/public_ITS_docs/ITS_009.pdf pdf page 128-129
Vehicle probes offer real-time traffic information over a section of the roadway as opposed to “localized” data offered by point detection devices. Two commonly used methods are the acquisition of Automated Vehicle Identification (AVI) data and Automated Vehicle Location (AVL) data. AVI systems have been used in Electronic Toll and Traffic Management (ETTM) functions and electronic commercial vehicle clearance operations. Vehicles may be identified using signals emitting from an onboard transponder and recorded by a roadside reader.
If we can work together, Wikipedia will be much improved for E-ZPass and a few other sections, because I have the definitive U.S. government cites.
Note that the British use of license reading cameras are an AVI technology.
Regarding transponders being updated by a driver before beginning a commercial journey, the information I have is a bit scattered, but is nevertheless important.
In http://orwellian.org/public_ITS_docs/ITS_005.pdf on pdf page 35 has on it:
Vehicles are equipped with electronic tags (transponders) ...Various techniques may be used to store driver and load information on the tag. These units are equipped with tag readers that allow them to interface with vehicle transponders and mobile computers that look up credential and safety records....Core infrastructure systems such as CDLIS may be queried either directly or indirectly to gather safety, license, and enforcement information about the carrier, vehicle, and driver.
On pdf page 43 is what looks like the actual layout in the writeable area of the vehicle's transponder for storing driver information. Remember that above on page 35 it refers to storing driver information on the transponder.
There's another reference to driver info on page 48.
How do we load up the E-ZPass/transponder page with this info?
Thanks, Double Think 11:52, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
Note to all from EZ-PAL: The referenced CVISN (truck monitoring/weigh station bypass application) data is not used at all in the E-ZPass tag and in fact none of the existing (thru 2007) CVISN tags on trucks contain that data, either. The coding formats and over the air protocols are different between the 2 systems but the common concept is that the tag has a unique ID code. There is no personal info in an E-ZPass nor a truck tag. Also, at the present time, there is no link between USDOT and E-ZPass. E-ZPass is an independent, proprietary, network just for toll collection, some parking and traffic management. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.49.165.197 ( talk) 04:05, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
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The section below the listing of agencies has this to say about the New York E-ZPass center and how NY E-ZPass tags are issued: The E-ZPass programs of the NYS Thruway, TBTA and PANYNJ are all administered by the New York E-ZPass Customer Service Center. When customers open an account through the website or over the phone they receive a transponder from one of the three agencies based on their mailing address. All out-of-state customers receive a PANYNJ transponder[citation needed] which in turn carries the $1 monthly fee. However, I live in Massachusetts and recently opened an E-ZPass account with the New York E-ZPass, and received an NYS Thruway tag, not a PANYNJ tag, so this statement is inaccurate. Unless further evidence is given, I'm going to change the wording to "most". Ekips ( talk) 20:16, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
Some states give discounts to holders of tags from their own state only. I added a note about New Hampshire in the fees grid, but I don't think that's the right place for that sort of information. I believe (but I'm not sure) that other states also have some sort of a home-state discount. can anyone provide any sort of information? If so, it might warrant it's own paragraph or section.
Can anyone provide information on the network operation? I gather from the description that the transponder identifies vehicle class, but how does the toll station know if a tag is valid, whether sufficient funds are in the account, and then how does the actual account get updated and when?
Are the toll stations updated daily with a list of the 20 million or so transponders and their account status so the toll lane can signal a warning/problem to the driver? How does the plate/driver photo get into the central database? Isn't the photo information kept for all transactions in case there is a dispute, not just those cases where the transponder is flagged? Mulp ( talk) 01:28, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
I know the New Jersey EZ-Pass has itemized statements (one transaction for each individual charge) and that EZ-Pass/Smart Tag in Virginia provides a monthly summary by default but will give itemized transactions for an extra $2 per month fee. Does anyone know what the other agencies provide? Could you please fill in the new column in the spreadsheet? Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TimeHorse ( talk • contribs) 13:03, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
This is a valuable table, but is Wikipedia the place for it? The purpose of this article should be for providing information on articles. From WP:NOPRICES - "Wikipedia is not a price comparison service to be used to compare the prices of competing products, or the prices of a single product from different vendors." Unless someone can come up with a very good reason why this should be included here, I believe it should be removed, and replaced with a more general statement that fees, discounts and other policies vary by agency. I'm tempted to be WP:BOLD, but given that this is section has come to dominate the article, I'd like to entertain other opinions before making the move. -- Clubjuggle T/ C 17:47, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
Wikipedia does have a
WP:NOTCATALOG section, referenced by Imzadi 1979, which states the following:
First, this table is obviously not a sales catalog, which is what a Best Buy, Walmart etc. site would be. Second, the WP:NOTCATALOG says that prices should not be referenced unless they can be sourced, however, these prices are referenced. Third, it says there should be a justified reason for their mention. The justification is that this information is not easily available, and it has already been admitted (above) that the table is useful.
In general, it is better to keep information in Wikipedia, rather than removing it. It someone finds the information to not be valuable, they can overlook it, it takes up half a screen. If they find the information useful, why should it be removed?
There are entire articles on Wikipedia that others would argue have no value. That doesn't justify simply blowing those articles away. RE34646; RE34646; → 15:13 3 July 2011 (UTC)
I am puzzled as to why people feel so strongly about removing this table. Whether or not the information in the table is useful does not appear to be in question. Rather, the discussion centers around whether the table amounts to some sort of improper commercial price comparison, or a more-permissible reference table. I feel the table should remain on two counts. First, if the table is useful to users, why remove it and reduce the value of the article? Second, the table is a reference that compares how different government agencies implement the EZ-Pass program, much like a comparison may be made regarding differences in state sales taxes or state laws. Guster98 ( talk) 04:38, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
Any objection to defining it at the top? ParisFarmBoy ( talk) 15:18, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
Concerns area seems missing mention of the fines & fees mess, and LARGE fines that occur with express lanes. Should this go there ? : Beyond just normal getting in lane by mistake $25-100 occurence ticket, express lanes not having a booth slowdown for drivers to see failure at the time leads to broken units cause fines above $10,000. It's a per-occurence ding then they add administrative fees and penalty on top, at least partly designed so that when it goes to court they can give up the extra fines and still get $5,000 ... Seems like everywhere - PA, LA, NY, MA, DC, VA ... for example:
Any other ideas on how to present this ? Markbassett ( talk) 12:43, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
Yes, there is no list of defects/contentions with this technology's use. For example, - User has no ability to discern tolls until after the fact. - Toll inconsistency. W/cash, a car was a car was a car. But w/not-so-easy tolling, vehicle may be different rates, such as resident/non-resident/(worst of worst)non-resident w/no transponder. - And, no reason for this to exist. If license plate can be read, then what is the point of transponder? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.247.14.202 ( talk) 12:51, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
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Seems to be the same thing Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:45, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
The "creation" section says the first implementation of E-ZPass was in December 1996 at the TBTA facilities, but then later it says E-ZPass was deployed at some locations on the Thruway as early as 1993. As written, those statements contradict each other. If someone is familiar with the history or wants to take the time to research it, I believe this section could benefit from clarification. Was the 1993 deployment a system test or similar? 1995hoo ( talk) 12:49, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
I feel this should be removed for being ungermane. This is a US system and there is no other mention of Canadian roadways aside from international toll bridges that link participating states, nor does route 407 begin/end at an international border. Antcomp ( talk) 12:39, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
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Vermont should be gray on the map, not dark red. There are no tolled public highways in the state (the Mt. Mansield "Toll Road" is a privately run tourist attraction, not a through route). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:19B:C703:40E0:B9DE:A5B1:CD6B:9CA2 ( talk) 14:12, 29 October 2019 (UTC)
This article needs major revision - first off it needs to open with what IS E-Zpass, not some disconnected and complex blurb about functionality.
"All of the states use the same technology, allowing travelers to use the same E-ZPass tag in multiple states."
I edited the section on discounts, since Massport (which owns the Tobin Bridge) does provide discounts to tagholders from other agencies. So it was misleading to say that the 3 New England turnpike authorities (which implies all of the authorities in the region) don't provide non-member discounts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.190.166.162 ( talk) 18:12, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
I could be wrong but is Massachusetts' Fast Lane and Virginia's Smart Tag programs actually part of E-ZPass? I went onto their respective sites and I couldn't find any references to E-ZPass. Any clarification is appreciated. Misterrick 21:41, 28 July 2005 (UTC).
I heard somewhre that someone received a speeding ticket in the mail because they got to their exit more quickly than possible if they'd have followed the limit and E-ZPass picked up on this. If this is true, should we add mention of it to the article? - Phantom784 22:32, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
-- Gloriamarie 19:58, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
Typically, I think the legality of this (tracking your average speed) may have something to do with the fact that an entry/exit time on a road (i.e. NYS Thruway, NJ Tpk, MassPike) could be used to calculate the average speed, but all the speeding tickets I've gotten are a record of me speeding at a certain place and time. With just an average, there may be some requirement to change existing traffic laws to include this mean value and to use toll entry/exit as a speed detection device much like a Radar/laser or calibrated spedometer is already listed on the books.
-- Rhearnct 09:47, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
The E-ZPass members do not track speeds for any enforcement purpose. In Northern New Jersey and New York City speeds are tracked but the tag identifyer is encrypted to prevent direct identification of the user. This information is used to identify congestion points and average speeds. Speeding through a toll plaza may result in the loss of your E-ZPass for a period of time depending on the frequency of the abuse.
-- 151.196.29.69 15:13, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Getting a speeding ticket due to E-ZPass is an urban legend. A bill was even passed in NJ to make that illegal. No one would use E-ZPass if it could result in speeding tickets. ;-)
Double Think 02:47, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
This was debunked by Snopes. Ekips ( talk) 20:10, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
Something could perhaps be made of the privacy concerns surrounding the EZPass adoption-- that there is an electronic record of everywhere you go that takes the EZPass. I might do this myself later but wanted to bring up the idea, anyway.
-- Gloriamarie 19:58, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
I have added a U.S. government privacy implications document that encompasses E-ZPass as part of the overall U.S. Department of Transportation set of programs for an ITS (Intelligent Transportation Systems).
Then along came Peter, who deleted it.
Double Think 00:43, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
How could we verify whether EZ-Pass is the largest ETC system in the US and possibly in the world based on the number of registered tags and vehicles processed?
-- Rhearnct 09:43, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
This is a serious response, not spam: try asking the question at uclue.com for say $20. If they find the answer, they will state the sources.
Double Think 00:13, 24 March 2007 (UTC) There are around 9 million E-ZPass accounts represented by over 16 million transponders on the road. This was stated by Jim Crawford, E-ZPass interagency Group Executive Director during a toll industry conference in Austin, TX during April 2007.
Peter,
The E-ZPass page said it suffered from a lack of cites, and so I provided new information with an authoritative cite, http://orwellian.org/public_ITS_docs/ITS_001.pdf . I see you've done a major reformatting of what I entered.
That's fine, I am not good at all for formatting things Wikipedia style.
But I do have extensive information to contribute, and your Wiki page says that you specialize in the reformatting. Great!
Now tell me what should be done about the privacy concerns document that I had put up, http://orwellian.org/public_ITS_docs/ITS_009.pdf , and that you deleted all reference to.
That document, along with many others, can no longer be found on the Net. I managed to squirrel them away before they were wiped out.
Then there is the large amount of information I have that is split between being oriented for commercial versus non-commercial transponders. And I used the phrase in the commercial text "E-ZPass type transponders, which you changed. I don't know if the planned rollout for all commercial vehicles' transponders is properly called E-ZPass.
A problem here is that E-ZPass is a transponder that is going to inter-operate with the U.S. DOT's larger ITS plans, so how do we integrate or at least slightly overlap the transponder information? One of my problems with Wikipedia is that it tends to break information up into such small segments that it becomes uninformative without the most persistent clicking around.
I have an update on the required electronic license plates for Britain. I'm not sure if it happened that way. See:
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/transport/article334686.ece
Could you make the update?
You've put in red 'Automated Vehicle Identification'. I can end up providing a separate section for that, but could you update for E-ZPass specifically this addition:
http://orwellian.org/public_ITS_docs/ITS_009.pdf pdf page 128-129
Vehicle probes offer real-time traffic information over a section of the roadway as opposed to “localized” data offered by point detection devices. Two commonly used methods are the acquisition of Automated Vehicle Identification (AVI) data and Automated Vehicle Location (AVL) data. AVI systems have been used in Electronic Toll and Traffic Management (ETTM) functions and electronic commercial vehicle clearance operations. Vehicles may be identified using signals emitting from an onboard transponder and recorded by a roadside reader.
If we can work together, Wikipedia will be much improved for E-ZPass and a few other sections, because I have the definitive U.S. government cites.
Note that the British use of license reading cameras are an AVI technology.
Regarding transponders being updated by a driver before beginning a commercial journey, the information I have is a bit scattered, but is nevertheless important.
In http://orwellian.org/public_ITS_docs/ITS_005.pdf on pdf page 35 has on it:
Vehicles are equipped with electronic tags (transponders) ...Various techniques may be used to store driver and load information on the tag. These units are equipped with tag readers that allow them to interface with vehicle transponders and mobile computers that look up credential and safety records....Core infrastructure systems such as CDLIS may be queried either directly or indirectly to gather safety, license, and enforcement information about the carrier, vehicle, and driver.
On pdf page 43 is what looks like the actual layout in the writeable area of the vehicle's transponder for storing driver information. Remember that above on page 35 it refers to storing driver information on the transponder.
There's another reference to driver info on page 48.
How do we load up the E-ZPass/transponder page with this info?
Thanks, Double Think 11:52, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
Note to all from EZ-PAL: The referenced CVISN (truck monitoring/weigh station bypass application) data is not used at all in the E-ZPass tag and in fact none of the existing (thru 2007) CVISN tags on trucks contain that data, either. The coding formats and over the air protocols are different between the 2 systems but the common concept is that the tag has a unique ID code. There is no personal info in an E-ZPass nor a truck tag. Also, at the present time, there is no link between USDOT and E-ZPass. E-ZPass is an independent, proprietary, network just for toll collection, some parking and traffic management. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.49.165.197 ( talk) 04:05, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
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The section below the listing of agencies has this to say about the New York E-ZPass center and how NY E-ZPass tags are issued: The E-ZPass programs of the NYS Thruway, TBTA and PANYNJ are all administered by the New York E-ZPass Customer Service Center. When customers open an account through the website or over the phone they receive a transponder from one of the three agencies based on their mailing address. All out-of-state customers receive a PANYNJ transponder[citation needed] which in turn carries the $1 monthly fee. However, I live in Massachusetts and recently opened an E-ZPass account with the New York E-ZPass, and received an NYS Thruway tag, not a PANYNJ tag, so this statement is inaccurate. Unless further evidence is given, I'm going to change the wording to "most". Ekips ( talk) 20:16, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
Some states give discounts to holders of tags from their own state only. I added a note about New Hampshire in the fees grid, but I don't think that's the right place for that sort of information. I believe (but I'm not sure) that other states also have some sort of a home-state discount. can anyone provide any sort of information? If so, it might warrant it's own paragraph or section.
Can anyone provide information on the network operation? I gather from the description that the transponder identifies vehicle class, but how does the toll station know if a tag is valid, whether sufficient funds are in the account, and then how does the actual account get updated and when?
Are the toll stations updated daily with a list of the 20 million or so transponders and their account status so the toll lane can signal a warning/problem to the driver? How does the plate/driver photo get into the central database? Isn't the photo information kept for all transactions in case there is a dispute, not just those cases where the transponder is flagged? Mulp ( talk) 01:28, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
I know the New Jersey EZ-Pass has itemized statements (one transaction for each individual charge) and that EZ-Pass/Smart Tag in Virginia provides a monthly summary by default but will give itemized transactions for an extra $2 per month fee. Does anyone know what the other agencies provide? Could you please fill in the new column in the spreadsheet? Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TimeHorse ( talk • contribs) 13:03, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
This is a valuable table, but is Wikipedia the place for it? The purpose of this article should be for providing information on articles. From WP:NOPRICES - "Wikipedia is not a price comparison service to be used to compare the prices of competing products, or the prices of a single product from different vendors." Unless someone can come up with a very good reason why this should be included here, I believe it should be removed, and replaced with a more general statement that fees, discounts and other policies vary by agency. I'm tempted to be WP:BOLD, but given that this is section has come to dominate the article, I'd like to entertain other opinions before making the move. -- Clubjuggle T/ C 17:47, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
Wikipedia does have a
WP:NOTCATALOG section, referenced by Imzadi 1979, which states the following:
First, this table is obviously not a sales catalog, which is what a Best Buy, Walmart etc. site would be. Second, the WP:NOTCATALOG says that prices should not be referenced unless they can be sourced, however, these prices are referenced. Third, it says there should be a justified reason for their mention. The justification is that this information is not easily available, and it has already been admitted (above) that the table is useful.
In general, it is better to keep information in Wikipedia, rather than removing it. It someone finds the information to not be valuable, they can overlook it, it takes up half a screen. If they find the information useful, why should it be removed?
There are entire articles on Wikipedia that others would argue have no value. That doesn't justify simply blowing those articles away. RE34646; RE34646; → 15:13 3 July 2011 (UTC)
I am puzzled as to why people feel so strongly about removing this table. Whether or not the information in the table is useful does not appear to be in question. Rather, the discussion centers around whether the table amounts to some sort of improper commercial price comparison, or a more-permissible reference table. I feel the table should remain on two counts. First, if the table is useful to users, why remove it and reduce the value of the article? Second, the table is a reference that compares how different government agencies implement the EZ-Pass program, much like a comparison may be made regarding differences in state sales taxes or state laws. Guster98 ( talk) 04:38, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
Any objection to defining it at the top? ParisFarmBoy ( talk) 15:18, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
Concerns area seems missing mention of the fines & fees mess, and LARGE fines that occur with express lanes. Should this go there ? : Beyond just normal getting in lane by mistake $25-100 occurence ticket, express lanes not having a booth slowdown for drivers to see failure at the time leads to broken units cause fines above $10,000. It's a per-occurence ding then they add administrative fees and penalty on top, at least partly designed so that when it goes to court they can give up the extra fines and still get $5,000 ... Seems like everywhere - PA, LA, NY, MA, DC, VA ... for example:
Any other ideas on how to present this ? Markbassett ( talk) 12:43, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
Yes, there is no list of defects/contentions with this technology's use. For example, - User has no ability to discern tolls until after the fact. - Toll inconsistency. W/cash, a car was a car was a car. But w/not-so-easy tolling, vehicle may be different rates, such as resident/non-resident/(worst of worst)non-resident w/no transponder. - And, no reason for this to exist. If license plate can be read, then what is the point of transponder? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.247.14.202 ( talk) 12:51, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
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This page needs a section on systemic defects. - Roads with no toll road markings - Variable/undefined/undisclosed toll fees when using the EZPass roads (what's my toll? don't know til billed) - Undisclosed fines for payments when driver address is incorrect - Fees for incorrect license plate assignments, billing wrong vehicle owner - etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.161.221.85 ( talk) 14:24, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
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Seems to be the same thing Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:45, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
The "creation" section says the first implementation of E-ZPass was in December 1996 at the TBTA facilities, but then later it says E-ZPass was deployed at some locations on the Thruway as early as 1993. As written, those statements contradict each other. If someone is familiar with the history or wants to take the time to research it, I believe this section could benefit from clarification. Was the 1993 deployment a system test or similar? 1995hoo ( talk) 12:49, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
I feel this should be removed for being ungermane. This is a US system and there is no other mention of Canadian roadways aside from international toll bridges that link participating states, nor does route 407 begin/end at an international border. Antcomp ( talk) 12:39, 27 March 2024 (UTC)