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Kyrgyz is an ethnic term. Citizens or those otherwise identified as belonging to the country are Kyrgyzstani. Same with Kazakhstani, Tajikistani, Uzbekistani, and in Russian there is an equivalent distinction of Russian by ethnicity from citizen of Russia. I will change this and remove the "discuss this before changing" secret edit. To anyone who knows anything of Central Asia this is an important distinction. Nlight2 ( talk) 07:48, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
Tsarnaev brothers are were only born in Kyrgyzstan, their nationality are chechens, country Chechnia ( Chechnya ) Bishkekgal8888 ( talk) 00:45, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
The subsection Family background contains this sentence in its first paragraph"
"According to some, other Chechen Americans in the area apparently did not consider the American branch of the family to be "fully" Chechen because they had never lived in Chechnya."
But what area is referred to in the phrase "in the area" is left entirely unclear. 2601:200:C000:1A0:9CE9:DF69:6F9B:BAB5 ( talk)
Tamerlan Tsarnaev's wiki article introduces him as "an American-based Chechen terrorist and former boxer." Ramzi Yousef (perpetrator of the 1993 WTC bombing) is introduced as "a Pakistani convicted terrorist." Nidal Hasan (Fort Hood shooter) is "an American former Army major, physician and mass murderer."
Yet Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is "a Kyrgyz-American man of Chechen descent, convicted of terrorism."
You see that subtle difference? He's not a terrorist or a mass murder - first and foremost he is a man, a human, a fellow - who happens to be convicted of terrorism. It almost makes it sound like he's not guilty. He didn't do it, he was just convicted of it - perhaps unfairly!
What is this bizarre framing? Makes it sound like article authors are trying to portray him in a sympathetic light and sounds really unobjective and stylistically inappropriate.
176.58.194.125 ( talk) 18:20, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
Sorry to make a new point of this—I realize it had loosely been discussed above, but I've found some conflicting info on Tsarnaev's nationality. I know we currently cite NDTV for the claim that Tsarnaev was born in Kyrgyzstan and was a Kyrgyz citizen. The NDTV (really, the Indo-Asian News Service) is attributing that information to Joomart Otorbayev, the first deputy prime minister of the former Soviet republic. ( Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, Boston bombing suspect, was born in Kyrgyzstan, says minister).
But, to be honest, that struck me as a strange source (the minister, not the IA News Service), so I Googled.
I found a BBC article that said that Tsarnaev was thought to have been born in Kyrgyzstan in 1994. But then I found this Radio Free Europe article that said the family left Kyrgyzstan in 1992 and that Dzhokhar was born in Russia's republic of Daghestan in 1993. I then found this article from the Guardian that addressed both, saying, "Local police, cited in Kyrgyz media, suggest that both were born in Kyrgyzstan. But family members in the US said the younger brother, Dzhokhar, was born in Dagestan."
@ WhisperToMe: I see you were involved in disputes related to this before, so I wanted to make sure I tagged you. Jerome Frank Disciple ( talk) 12:35, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
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Why is his descent not solely mentioned in "Personal background", like the standard? Wiki of Artur Beterbiev and Khamzat Chimaev are examples. 213.49.80.160 ( talk) 05:46, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
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Kyrgyz is an ethnic term. Citizens or those otherwise identified as belonging to the country are Kyrgyzstani. Same with Kazakhstani, Tajikistani, Uzbekistani, and in Russian there is an equivalent distinction of Russian by ethnicity from citizen of Russia. I will change this and remove the "discuss this before changing" secret edit. To anyone who knows anything of Central Asia this is an important distinction. Nlight2 ( talk) 07:48, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
Tsarnaev brothers are were only born in Kyrgyzstan, their nationality are chechens, country Chechnia ( Chechnya ) Bishkekgal8888 ( talk) 00:45, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
The subsection Family background contains this sentence in its first paragraph"
"According to some, other Chechen Americans in the area apparently did not consider the American branch of the family to be "fully" Chechen because they had never lived in Chechnya."
But what area is referred to in the phrase "in the area" is left entirely unclear. 2601:200:C000:1A0:9CE9:DF69:6F9B:BAB5 ( talk)
Tamerlan Tsarnaev's wiki article introduces him as "an American-based Chechen terrorist and former boxer." Ramzi Yousef (perpetrator of the 1993 WTC bombing) is introduced as "a Pakistani convicted terrorist." Nidal Hasan (Fort Hood shooter) is "an American former Army major, physician and mass murderer."
Yet Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is "a Kyrgyz-American man of Chechen descent, convicted of terrorism."
You see that subtle difference? He's not a terrorist or a mass murder - first and foremost he is a man, a human, a fellow - who happens to be convicted of terrorism. It almost makes it sound like he's not guilty. He didn't do it, he was just convicted of it - perhaps unfairly!
What is this bizarre framing? Makes it sound like article authors are trying to portray him in a sympathetic light and sounds really unobjective and stylistically inappropriate.
176.58.194.125 ( talk) 18:20, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
Sorry to make a new point of this—I realize it had loosely been discussed above, but I've found some conflicting info on Tsarnaev's nationality. I know we currently cite NDTV for the claim that Tsarnaev was born in Kyrgyzstan and was a Kyrgyz citizen. The NDTV (really, the Indo-Asian News Service) is attributing that information to Joomart Otorbayev, the first deputy prime minister of the former Soviet republic. ( Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, Boston bombing suspect, was born in Kyrgyzstan, says minister).
But, to be honest, that struck me as a strange source (the minister, not the IA News Service), so I Googled.
I found a BBC article that said that Tsarnaev was thought to have been born in Kyrgyzstan in 1994. But then I found this Radio Free Europe article that said the family left Kyrgyzstan in 1992 and that Dzhokhar was born in Russia's republic of Daghestan in 1993. I then found this article from the Guardian that addressed both, saying, "Local police, cited in Kyrgyz media, suggest that both were born in Kyrgyzstan. But family members in the US said the younger brother, Dzhokhar, was born in Dagestan."
@ WhisperToMe: I see you were involved in disputes related to this before, so I wanted to make sure I tagged you. Jerome Frank Disciple ( talk) 12:35, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
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Why is his descent not solely mentioned in "Personal background", like the standard? Wiki of Artur Beterbiev and Khamzat Chimaev are examples. 213.49.80.160 ( talk) 05:46, 5 September 2023 (UTC)