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The result of the move request was: no consenus. Editors are reminded that WP:UNDAB is an essay which may reflect the view of one or more editors, but is neither a policy nor a guideline. In this case, editors have not accepted the proposition that the article on tribe meets the criteria set out at WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, and the nominator's assertion multiple-word titles are not candidates for the primary topic is a misreading of the policy at WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 21:07, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
Duwamish tribe →
Duwamish – target was
created as redirect to "Duwamish (fireboat)" by Lukobe on July 26 2006, then
converted into dab page by same author on same date. Then
Duwamish (tribe)
redirected to "Duwamish tribe" on Dec 13 2010 by Kwami. NB the Duwamish, whose name is the origin of that of the river and the fireboat, are not a federally-recognized tribe and so the "tribe" wording is not viable; simplest and cleanest is "Duwamish" by itself. PRIMARYTOPIC/MOSTCOMMON and the principles outlined in
WP:UNDAB, all of which were taken into account when this article was first styled "Duwamish". Relisted.
BDD (
talk) 22:33, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
Skookum1 (
talk)
06:43, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
Despite the ongoing claims that items such as "FOO River" are PRIMARYTOPIC candidates, that is not according to guidelines; the only standalone use of Duwamish that is a PRIMARYTOPIC candidate is Duwamish tribe, whom the river was named for. Skookum1 ( talk) 07:04, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
The sentence "The tribe is of moderate size with respect to moderately-sized federally-recognized Washington tribes" is marked as "vague", but it simply repeats what the source says. Since we have a ban on original research, I don't see how it can be made less vague. List_of_federally_recognized_tribes_by_state#Washington shows 29 recognized tribes, three of which have names that identify them as confederations of tribes. Besides being very laborious work, wouldn't it be impermissible synthesis under WP:NOR to look up the number of registered members of each of these & demonstrate that the Duwamish would fall somewhere near the median?
Therefore, I'd like to remove the "vague" tag. The vagueness is in the sources, not in the writing. - Jmabel | Talk 04:06, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
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Currently contains small amount of history, and gives language group, needs full writeup. Plorimer - 10 June, 06 An excellent rewriting has taken place, and the article appears very solid now, with a great amount of references and bibliography. It could benefit from a little expansion on a few topics and it lacks images; otherwise it could merit submitting to GA soon. Phaedriel - 12 July, 06 |
Last edited at 01:34, 13 December 2010 (UTC). Substituted at 13:56, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. Andrewa ( talk) 23:03, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
Duwamish tribe → Duwamish people – This is the disambiguation recommended by WP:ETHNICGROUP; the "tribe" terminology is mostly deprecated. Most other articles on North American peoples have already been switched, but I'm putting this one through RM as it's been the subject of several in the past. Cúchullain t/ c 17:19, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
Too many comments about the existing references to include in the Edit Summary (and I freely admit I made terrible typos in the summaries). https://native-land.ca is crowd-sourced and riddled with errors. "Roxberger" should be Daniel L. Boxberger, and I've provided a proper citation and link to that book. I see the note: "Most of the following notes refer to sources listed in Bibliography for Duwamish (tribe), which also includes the sources referenced in Cheshiahud ( Lake John) and History of Seattle before white settlement." That's definitely not okay. http://www.duwamishtribe.org is wp:self-published so can appear in external links but can't serve as a citation. Yuchitown ( talk) 18:50, 27 December 2023 (UTC)Yuchitown
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The result of the move request was: no consenus. Editors are reminded that WP:UNDAB is an essay which may reflect the view of one or more editors, but is neither a policy nor a guideline. In this case, editors have not accepted the proposition that the article on tribe meets the criteria set out at WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, and the nominator's assertion multiple-word titles are not candidates for the primary topic is a misreading of the policy at WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 21:07, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
Duwamish tribe →
Duwamish – target was
created as redirect to "Duwamish (fireboat)" by Lukobe on July 26 2006, then
converted into dab page by same author on same date. Then
Duwamish (tribe)
redirected to "Duwamish tribe" on Dec 13 2010 by Kwami. NB the Duwamish, whose name is the origin of that of the river and the fireboat, are not a federally-recognized tribe and so the "tribe" wording is not viable; simplest and cleanest is "Duwamish" by itself. PRIMARYTOPIC/MOSTCOMMON and the principles outlined in
WP:UNDAB, all of which were taken into account when this article was first styled "Duwamish". Relisted.
BDD (
talk) 22:33, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
Skookum1 (
talk)
06:43, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
Despite the ongoing claims that items such as "FOO River" are PRIMARYTOPIC candidates, that is not according to guidelines; the only standalone use of Duwamish that is a PRIMARYTOPIC candidate is Duwamish tribe, whom the river was named for. Skookum1 ( talk) 07:04, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
The sentence "The tribe is of moderate size with respect to moderately-sized federally-recognized Washington tribes" is marked as "vague", but it simply repeats what the source says. Since we have a ban on original research, I don't see how it can be made less vague. List_of_federally_recognized_tribes_by_state#Washington shows 29 recognized tribes, three of which have names that identify them as confederations of tribes. Besides being very laborious work, wouldn't it be impermissible synthesis under WP:NOR to look up the number of registered members of each of these & demonstrate that the Duwamish would fall somewhere near the median?
Therefore, I'd like to remove the "vague" tag. The vagueness is in the sources, not in the writing. - Jmabel | Talk 04:06, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Duwamish which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — RMCD bot 15:29, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Duwamish people/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
Currently contains small amount of history, and gives language group, needs full writeup. Plorimer - 10 June, 06 An excellent rewriting has taken place, and the article appears very solid now, with a great amount of references and bibliography. It could benefit from a little expansion on a few topics and it lacks images; otherwise it could merit submitting to GA soon. Phaedriel - 12 July, 06 |
Last edited at 01:34, 13 December 2010 (UTC). Substituted at 13:56, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. Andrewa ( talk) 23:03, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
Duwamish tribe → Duwamish people – This is the disambiguation recommended by WP:ETHNICGROUP; the "tribe" terminology is mostly deprecated. Most other articles on North American peoples have already been switched, but I'm putting this one through RM as it's been the subject of several in the past. Cúchullain t/ c 17:19, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
Too many comments about the existing references to include in the Edit Summary (and I freely admit I made terrible typos in the summaries). https://native-land.ca is crowd-sourced and riddled with errors. "Roxberger" should be Daniel L. Boxberger, and I've provided a proper citation and link to that book. I see the note: "Most of the following notes refer to sources listed in Bibliography for Duwamish (tribe), which also includes the sources referenced in Cheshiahud ( Lake John) and History of Seattle before white settlement." That's definitely not okay. http://www.duwamishtribe.org is wp:self-published so can appear in external links but can't serve as a citation. Yuchitown ( talk) 18:50, 27 December 2023 (UTC)Yuchitown