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Thanks CmdrObot, any corrections are appreciated. âPreceding unsigned comment added by MiguelNS ( talk ⢠contribs)
The article needs an introduction... -- HJV 02:28, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
This is a propaganda tract, not a historical article. Beyond indonesia, dutch attempts to take over portuguese posessions were a failure.-- Bistor92 02:39, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
Ahah. What a joke. This article might be better named as "the overseas dutch adventures". It is tottaly written under a Dutch perspective, scarce on America's and Africa's conflicts, and omits the fact that between 1580-1640 Portugal was under Spanish rule, which deprived Portugal from resources to maintain and defend its possessions. Who cares any way. Wikimerdia at its best. â Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.240.65.156 ( talk) 03:50, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
"an armed conflict involving Dutch forces, in the form of the Dutch East India Company and the Dutch West India Company, against the Portuguese Empire. Beginning in 1588, the conflict primarily involved the Dutch companies invading Portuguese colonies in the Americas, Africa, India and the Far East." The Dutch companies were founded in 1602 and 1621, so for those first fourteen years, who was fighting on behalf of the United Provinces? This introduction needs to be reworded. JesseRafe 17:18, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
"The Dutch were hopeful of some degree of success, since in 1588 the English, with Dutch aid, had been able to defeat the Spanish Armada and with it the backbone of the Iberian fleet â the oceangoing galleons and naus used in support of trade in West Indies silver and Indian spices.1"
To my knowledge the Spanish Armada mainly consisted of its mediterran units and only very few oceangoing vcessels. No parts of the High Seas Fleet were recalled for the invasion so that at the battle only 12 Spanish galeons were present in battle. So as the mainstay of the Spanish fleets were always busy on the tradelanes and never invested in this military endevour the backbone of their tradefleets actual were not seriously affected. âPreceding unsigned comment added by Mangalore ( talk ⢠contribs)
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Who says the defeat of the Spanish Armada broke the naval backbone of the Iberian powers? Not even the article cited makes such a claim. How many of the Armada's ships were Portuguese - and more importantly how many were lost? Was Portugal so deficient in resources that it couldn't make those losses up in the period 1589-1602, the period before this war really began. By the way, what year did the Dutch manage to monopolise trade with Japan? It would be also interesting to have a few hints as how and why they were able to exclude the Portuguese.
I say the defeat of the Spanish Armada broke the backbone of the Iberian nations, because it did! I won't go to too much length here, because the article does not concern one battle but an entire war spawning for decades. Just look at it this way, never again was the Iberian Monarchy able to muster a similar fighting force, and many of the crucial ocean going galleons were lost.
About a forth or fifth of the armada's ships were Portuguese, but most importantly almost half of the galleons were Portuguese.
That's a good question, I don't know whether Portugal tried to make up for its losses..
The best date I've got for you is 1639. Spain and Portugal were expelled, only the Dutch remained.
The how and why are well known, but not relevant for this article...
MiguelNS âPreceding unsigned comment added by 89.214.147.192 ( talk) 01:50, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
While it is quite clear the Portuguese were the victors in America, and the Dutch in Asia, who won in Africa? It currently says the Portuguese did, probably because of their success in Angola but the Dutch captured the Portuguese forts on the Gold Coast and would hold onto them until 1872. Wouldn't it be a draw then? Thoughts?- Kieran4 ( talk) 01:08, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
A source is needed that talks about one single long Luso-Dutch war spanning colonies in South America, Africa and Asia. As yet I have not been able to find one. This page is OR/SYNTH without one. Srnec ( talk) 14:17, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
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The article says that the main motive is financing the Dutch revolt. It doen not gave any sources and I think this motives is anachronistis and incorrect. The Dutch trading companies were founded with the explicit goal of making profit for the shareholders and harming the enemy. This is not the same as making a profit for the state with an eye on the finance of the revolt. Scafloc ( talk) 23:41, 20 January 2017 (UTC) Scafloc ( talk) 23:41, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
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The "Sugar war" section says "In 1621 the Geoctroyeerde Westindische Compagnie (Authorised West India Company or WIC) was created to take control of the sugar trade and colonise America (the New Netherland project). The Company benefited from a large investment in capital, drawing on the enthusiasm of the best financiers and capitalists of the Republic, such as Isaac de Pinto, by origin a Portuguese Jew. " Why is Isaac de Pinto mentioned if he's born 100 years after the creation of the company and decades after the Sugar war was over? He has nothing to do with the war whatsoever.
The description of the Santa Catarina under 'Casus belli' is at variance with the page linked to:
/info/en/?search=Santa_Catarina_(ship)
Here, it says that the SC was a galleon and that the sale proceeds doubled the VOC's capital. There, it's a carrack and the sale proceeds increased the VOC's capital by 50%. This should be made consistent.
(I don't know what's correct either way.) â Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.8.176.136 ( talk) 00:27, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
That would be nice
Ygglow ( talk) 18:33, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
They aren't military forces, they are traders coming for those sweet sweet spices (and murdering lots of Indians and Americans (as in the 2 continents)). We were brutal, but anyways, the most military thing the VOC and WOC did was fight... Against slaves... Anyways, please continue this conversation, I will probably not return as I'm not a chad and go conversate on Wikipedia daily. Farwell great people! 82.169.236.182 ( talk) 22:04, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
The Casus belli of the conflict was in 1603 and the peace treaty in 1661. It is true that conflict took place beyond those dates, but shouldn't we use the "official" dates instead of 1598-1663? DavidDijkgraaf ( talk) 23:37, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
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The article needs an introduction... -- HJV 02:28, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
This is a propaganda tract, not a historical article. Beyond indonesia, dutch attempts to take over portuguese posessions were a failure.-- Bistor92 02:39, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
Ahah. What a joke. This article might be better named as "the overseas dutch adventures". It is tottaly written under a Dutch perspective, scarce on America's and Africa's conflicts, and omits the fact that between 1580-1640 Portugal was under Spanish rule, which deprived Portugal from resources to maintain and defend its possessions. Who cares any way. Wikimerdia at its best. â Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.240.65.156 ( talk) 03:50, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
"an armed conflict involving Dutch forces, in the form of the Dutch East India Company and the Dutch West India Company, against the Portuguese Empire. Beginning in 1588, the conflict primarily involved the Dutch companies invading Portuguese colonies in the Americas, Africa, India and the Far East." The Dutch companies were founded in 1602 and 1621, so for those first fourteen years, who was fighting on behalf of the United Provinces? This introduction needs to be reworded. JesseRafe 17:18, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
"The Dutch were hopeful of some degree of success, since in 1588 the English, with Dutch aid, had been able to defeat the Spanish Armada and with it the backbone of the Iberian fleet â the oceangoing galleons and naus used in support of trade in West Indies silver and Indian spices.1"
To my knowledge the Spanish Armada mainly consisted of its mediterran units and only very few oceangoing vcessels. No parts of the High Seas Fleet were recalled for the invasion so that at the battle only 12 Spanish galeons were present in battle. So as the mainstay of the Spanish fleets were always busy on the tradelanes and never invested in this military endevour the backbone of their tradefleets actual were not seriously affected. âPreceding unsigned comment added by Mangalore ( talk ⢠contribs)
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Who says the defeat of the Spanish Armada broke the naval backbone of the Iberian powers? Not even the article cited makes such a claim. How many of the Armada's ships were Portuguese - and more importantly how many were lost? Was Portugal so deficient in resources that it couldn't make those losses up in the period 1589-1602, the period before this war really began. By the way, what year did the Dutch manage to monopolise trade with Japan? It would be also interesting to have a few hints as how and why they were able to exclude the Portuguese.
I say the defeat of the Spanish Armada broke the backbone of the Iberian nations, because it did! I won't go to too much length here, because the article does not concern one battle but an entire war spawning for decades. Just look at it this way, never again was the Iberian Monarchy able to muster a similar fighting force, and many of the crucial ocean going galleons were lost.
About a forth or fifth of the armada's ships were Portuguese, but most importantly almost half of the galleons were Portuguese.
That's a good question, I don't know whether Portugal tried to make up for its losses..
The best date I've got for you is 1639. Spain and Portugal were expelled, only the Dutch remained.
The how and why are well known, but not relevant for this article...
MiguelNS âPreceding unsigned comment added by 89.214.147.192 ( talk) 01:50, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
While it is quite clear the Portuguese were the victors in America, and the Dutch in Asia, who won in Africa? It currently says the Portuguese did, probably because of their success in Angola but the Dutch captured the Portuguese forts on the Gold Coast and would hold onto them until 1872. Wouldn't it be a draw then? Thoughts?- Kieran4 ( talk) 01:08, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
A source is needed that talks about one single long Luso-Dutch war spanning colonies in South America, Africa and Asia. As yet I have not been able to find one. This page is OR/SYNTH without one. Srnec ( talk) 14:17, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
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The article says that the main motive is financing the Dutch revolt. It doen not gave any sources and I think this motives is anachronistis and incorrect. The Dutch trading companies were founded with the explicit goal of making profit for the shareholders and harming the enemy. This is not the same as making a profit for the state with an eye on the finance of the revolt. Scafloc ( talk) 23:41, 20 January 2017 (UTC) Scafloc ( talk) 23:41, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
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The "Sugar war" section says "In 1621 the Geoctroyeerde Westindische Compagnie (Authorised West India Company or WIC) was created to take control of the sugar trade and colonise America (the New Netherland project). The Company benefited from a large investment in capital, drawing on the enthusiasm of the best financiers and capitalists of the Republic, such as Isaac de Pinto, by origin a Portuguese Jew. " Why is Isaac de Pinto mentioned if he's born 100 years after the creation of the company and decades after the Sugar war was over? He has nothing to do with the war whatsoever.
The description of the Santa Catarina under 'Casus belli' is at variance with the page linked to:
/info/en/?search=Santa_Catarina_(ship)
Here, it says that the SC was a galleon and that the sale proceeds doubled the VOC's capital. There, it's a carrack and the sale proceeds increased the VOC's capital by 50%. This should be made consistent.
(I don't know what's correct either way.) â Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.8.176.136 ( talk) 00:27, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
That would be nice
Ygglow ( talk) 18:33, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
They aren't military forces, they are traders coming for those sweet sweet spices (and murdering lots of Indians and Americans (as in the 2 continents)). We were brutal, but anyways, the most military thing the VOC and WOC did was fight... Against slaves... Anyways, please continue this conversation, I will probably not return as I'm not a chad and go conversate on Wikipedia daily. Farwell great people! 82.169.236.182 ( talk) 22:04, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
The Casus belli of the conflict was in 1603 and the peace treaty in 1661. It is true that conflict took place beyond those dates, but shouldn't we use the "official" dates instead of 1598-1663? DavidDijkgraaf ( talk) 23:37, 16 February 2024 (UTC)