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Here's more info on the other D&D soundtracks. So, technically, the Midnight Syndicate soundtrack isn't the "first" officially licensed soundtrack for D&D.
Craig Stuart Garfinkle [1] composed the first soundtrack for Dungeons & Dragons (when TSR owned the francise). His album, entitled Songs of the Dragon [2] was sold independently by the artist and by TSR as a D&D accessory, with the artist retaining all rights to his music yet providing TSR (subsequently Wizards of the Coast, and now Hasbro) the master and synchronization rights. [3] Garfinkle also scored music for the D&D video game Forgotten Realms: Baldur's Gate - Dark Alliance II(2004) [4]
Justin Burnett scored the official D&D soundtrack, entitled Dungeons & Dragons" (2000) [5] for the movie. [6]
In addition, several other musicians scored soundtracks for Dungeons & Dragons movies [7]and the television series in 1992 [8] and 1993 [9] Ebonyskye 03:18, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
Do you mean the cd booklet? I could probably find out. But look at the guy's credits on IMBD [10]. He does all the music for tv shows and movies, an award winner says IMDB. It's not just some band burning cds and making outrageous claims. It IS weird that the cd is not on Amazon or anything. Maybe the guy has so much work he just doesn't care. TSR is no longer, so maybe he just left the cd to gather dust. But there is a Paypal link, so it is for sale. Ebonyskye 10:37, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone have anything official NOW? It's like 20 years old. The internet didn't even exist then. So no, nothing official and I don't know anyone who would have it or where to find it. But IMDB has been accepted before. You accept the Midnight Syndicate bio as fact, so why not this other composer's bio, (who's been in the business a lot longer)? What do we have to show that the Midnight Syndicate bio is true? I see some that is part fact but also a lot of hype. There's tons of composeres listed on the games and movies that did music for D&D for years (since 1983), and it's all officially licensed. Hey, I feel like I am being grilled for just pointing out a few other artists. What gives? Ebonyskye 02:06, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
I see. Well, I have seen other editors use IMDB as a source, so I thought it was an approved reference source (at least it's not editable by just anyone). So, how I see it is that TSR licensed the first D&D RPG soundtrack to Craig Stuart Garfinkle (that was not for a video game, by the way), then as WotC became the new owners, they licensed a new soundtrack to Midnight Syndicate. I still think Craig Stuart Garfinkle's album should be recognized as being the first, just as TSR was the first publisher of D&D. Ebonyskye 07:36, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
Since you do not accept IMDB, here's the credits on his label's website, Midiot Music [11]. You'll see the song credits for the D&D songs listed separately, and assigned to TSR. Ebonyskye 10:55, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
Out of respect for Mr. Garfinkle's album from 20 years ago, I just can't accept "first and only" for this band. I just removed that and instead specified "for Wizards..." I think that should suffice and not sound too "hyped." Ebonyskye 11:05, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
I read policy. It states that the primary source should be an impartial third party, preferably an established news source, but if not available, then the biography of a well known person is fine. IMDB is an impartial party, and Garfinkle is a well know individual who has MANY credits to his name. The only supporting sources you have is a Midnight Syndicate press release with a quote from a person who only says he is happy with the music. There is nothing there written by WotC about "first and only". The statement is the same as the band's press release on their website and on several other sites and appears to be in their own words. But, then again, this IS wikipedia, so I guess we can't really expect true encyclopedic research if all one has to go with are band press releases. Ebonyskye 00:20, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi J Milburn. I have done some more fact checking and have compiled quite a list here. User:Ebonyskye/Sandbox It appears that your original complaint about this music by Garfinkle not being for the RPG format is incorrect. All the songs are to accompany the pen and paper games (though the songs were also released on other album compilations that accompanied the books). They are not for video games or the like, which I think was your first concern. So, according to this, I really do not think we can safely say that the Midnight Syndicate album is the only officially licensed album, nor the first. Aside from Garfinkle's "Songs of the Dragon" there is the "First Quest" music album, which features a wide range of musicians, and it has the D&D stamp right on it. Let me know what you think. Ebonyskye 00:50, 27 August 2007 (UTC) returned to fix typo Ebonyskye 00:57, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi All, Craig Stuart Garfinkle here. I find this dialog fascinating.
The music I created was for audio cd's that were released in conjunction with books and pre-made boards that were released by TSR as "Dungeons and Dragons" games. They had titles like, "Hail the Heroes," "Planescape, a Guide to the Outlands," and a host of others. There was also a TV special called "Dragonstrike" designed as both a game and as a "Dungeons and Dragons" instructional video.
The reason the original CD doesn't exist anymore is that I have moved on. I am currently composing for "World of WarCraft" and other projects where I am able to do so much more technically than I could do so many years ago, that I would have to recreate all of the old music from scratch to bring it to contemporary standards.
Finally, "Songs of the Dragon V2" is now on iTunes - featuring music from my score to "Baldur's Gate, The Dark Alliance II."
If you have any other questions, please feel free to reach out to me on FaceBook. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.88.133.211 ( talk) 03:43, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
There are two references in this article to a website (abbreviated LOTN in the refs) that does not satisfy WP:Verifiability because it is self-published by Joseph Vargo and there is no editorial control. The sole aim of the entire site is to discredit Midnight Syndicate and it's founder, Edward Douglas. Thatcher131 noted on Ebonyskye's talk page (archived) that the website was considered original research and was, therefore, not reliable. - Skinny McGee 13:43, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
OK, i was asked to take a look at this source issue. A few things are important.
Those were the primary things that I kept in mind when looking at this.
So I see no problem for this source for these 2 specific lines in the article that use the source. It's 100% correct to use it in the context of a claim instead of a fact. It would of course be better if other sources can be found that verify this information so that all forms of speculative wording can be removed from the article text, but that is something totally different. -- TheDJ ( talk • contribs) 15:21, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
The problem is that most of that what you (McGee) quoted is to protect "living people" from libelous baseless attacks made by others. But there is nothing wrong with documenting and reporting in an article about a business (bands are businesses) dispute that is as far as I can see (i knew nothing about these people until 3PM CEST) at least not baseless. It is not black and white, it is gray. If these people have an issue, then it is up to them to solve that issue, and not up to us to decide who is right and who is wrong. We show both sides and let them fight it out. From what I have read I wouldn't dare to say that Vargo is fully incorrect, nor that the band is fully correct. Neither do I particularly care who is. In the mean time, I think we should show something from both sides. And even though the band may consider this contentious, in all honestly it's not. It's two stupid little companies that wanna fight each-other over their shared history and are doing it in a very mano-a-mano way. I haven't seen any proof that one or the other party is consistently lying and providing false information, so to call statements from either one of the parties contentious is contentious in itself. We do not include information from people who are known to lie, but if both parties say the other is lying, then who are we to decide which of the two is lying? We should wish them good luck with settling that and ignore them until one of them shows us some proof. -- TheDJ ( talk • contribs) 19:08, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
I'm glad the research I provided on the other D&D albums helped. I am thinking of buying the Garfinkle album just to get a look at the credits on it. I wish I could get First Quest. I saw it on ebay but it was a book without the audio. As for all this talk on "Thou Who Shall Not Be Named" the artist's website has a long list of interviews from over the years, some that predate the Midnight Syndicate breakup. I have yet to read them all, but maybe there's something reliable in there that helps support what the guy is saying on the LOTN site. Here's the link [12]. There's also some interviews on the LOTN site itself, possibly cross-linked, I'm not sure. I did notice though that his poster (Born of the Night) is dated from 1993. I actually got one of those from Hot Topic a few years ago. Ebonyskye 14:20, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
Overall I think that you've done an excellent job with the article. There are, however, a few minor things that I feel need to be corrected before I can pass the article.
Thus, the verdict for the moment is to put the article on hold for up to seven days, after which point it may be failed without any further notice. Given the work that you've done on it thus far, I think that these concerns are relatively minor and I hope to pass it soon! Cheers, CP 17:40, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
As a neutral editor, I have been told many times that the Lead should not have references, as they are repeated in the article (this includes Featured Article reviews, BTW). -- andreasegde 17:49, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
Since the start of the review, in my search for information to address the points above, I have added a few facts and new citations, as well as small prose-tweaks. You may wish to compare the history from when you first arrived to the article now, to see what I have added. J Milburn 21:57, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
The use of captionings such as "Compared to the opening of Conan the Barbarian" and "Described as sounding similar to Danny Elfman's music" next to the titles of the tracks themselves is highly irregular for a wikipedia music article and jars significantly with the standard expected for such an article. Perhaps these "observances" should be taken to a separate section before the track listing (properly cited, of course), allowing those who are interested in such information to find information in one way, and those interesting in solely the track listing to find information in the track listing, as expected?
It sounds needlessly pedantic, but thinking about it, including information about the tracks within the names of the tracks themselves is entirely inappropriate and not an efficient use of space in any way. It's confusing, allows the fan to rule over the artist (through exposing the influences of music at exactly the same level as the music itself), and not in any way part of a NPOV by putting one interpretation of the music above all others.
I won't change anything without response regarding this (I lack the technical know-how to do so in any case) as there could be a perfectly reasonable answer for this. As it stands, though, this section appears to be highly subjective, running against the prevailing structural standards of wikipedia, and entirely contrary to the purpose of the site. Any thoughts? 86.16.152.103 ( talk) 01:33, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
I'd like to call for the sentence 'It is reputedly the only official Dungeons & Dragons soundtrack.' to be removed from the article. Even if it isn't accepted that the other claim of a previous 'official D&D soundtrack' existed, there is another CD called Dragonlance: Dragons of Autumn Twilight.
Dragonlance is a Dungeons and Dragons campaign setting, so the soundtrack of the Dragonlance: Dragons of Autumn Twilight movie is just as 'official' as this one, and that makes the claim that this CD is the only 'official' one seem to be an inaccurate statement.
I think it would be better to drop all references to claims like that and concentrate on the article being about the music and the project behind it. I think that we also need a Dragonlance: Dragons of Autumn Twilight (album) article and maybe a category for D&D music articles to go into. Big Mac ( talk) 02:25, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
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There's an ongoing FA sweeps focused on the older ones to make sure everything is up to current standards. I'm not entirely familiar with D&D related sources, but I'm really unsure that some of these sources meet the "high-quality reliable sources" part of WP:FACR. Sources such as Legion of the Night, The Acaeum, Gamingreport.com, Living Dead Girls, Middle Pillar, Darker than the Bat, and Skirmisher Game Store would likely be challenged at a FAC today. Most of the rest of the sources are primary. Hog Farm Talk 20:38, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
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Here's more info on the other D&D soundtracks. So, technically, the Midnight Syndicate soundtrack isn't the "first" officially licensed soundtrack for D&D.
Craig Stuart Garfinkle [1] composed the first soundtrack for Dungeons & Dragons (when TSR owned the francise). His album, entitled Songs of the Dragon [2] was sold independently by the artist and by TSR as a D&D accessory, with the artist retaining all rights to his music yet providing TSR (subsequently Wizards of the Coast, and now Hasbro) the master and synchronization rights. [3] Garfinkle also scored music for the D&D video game Forgotten Realms: Baldur's Gate - Dark Alliance II(2004) [4]
Justin Burnett scored the official D&D soundtrack, entitled Dungeons & Dragons" (2000) [5] for the movie. [6]
In addition, several other musicians scored soundtracks for Dungeons & Dragons movies [7]and the television series in 1992 [8] and 1993 [9] Ebonyskye 03:18, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
Do you mean the cd booklet? I could probably find out. But look at the guy's credits on IMBD [10]. He does all the music for tv shows and movies, an award winner says IMDB. It's not just some band burning cds and making outrageous claims. It IS weird that the cd is not on Amazon or anything. Maybe the guy has so much work he just doesn't care. TSR is no longer, so maybe he just left the cd to gather dust. But there is a Paypal link, so it is for sale. Ebonyskye 10:37, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone have anything official NOW? It's like 20 years old. The internet didn't even exist then. So no, nothing official and I don't know anyone who would have it or where to find it. But IMDB has been accepted before. You accept the Midnight Syndicate bio as fact, so why not this other composer's bio, (who's been in the business a lot longer)? What do we have to show that the Midnight Syndicate bio is true? I see some that is part fact but also a lot of hype. There's tons of composeres listed on the games and movies that did music for D&D for years (since 1983), and it's all officially licensed. Hey, I feel like I am being grilled for just pointing out a few other artists. What gives? Ebonyskye 02:06, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
I see. Well, I have seen other editors use IMDB as a source, so I thought it was an approved reference source (at least it's not editable by just anyone). So, how I see it is that TSR licensed the first D&D RPG soundtrack to Craig Stuart Garfinkle (that was not for a video game, by the way), then as WotC became the new owners, they licensed a new soundtrack to Midnight Syndicate. I still think Craig Stuart Garfinkle's album should be recognized as being the first, just as TSR was the first publisher of D&D. Ebonyskye 07:36, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
Since you do not accept IMDB, here's the credits on his label's website, Midiot Music [11]. You'll see the song credits for the D&D songs listed separately, and assigned to TSR. Ebonyskye 10:55, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
Out of respect for Mr. Garfinkle's album from 20 years ago, I just can't accept "first and only" for this band. I just removed that and instead specified "for Wizards..." I think that should suffice and not sound too "hyped." Ebonyskye 11:05, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
I read policy. It states that the primary source should be an impartial third party, preferably an established news source, but if not available, then the biography of a well known person is fine. IMDB is an impartial party, and Garfinkle is a well know individual who has MANY credits to his name. The only supporting sources you have is a Midnight Syndicate press release with a quote from a person who only says he is happy with the music. There is nothing there written by WotC about "first and only". The statement is the same as the band's press release on their website and on several other sites and appears to be in their own words. But, then again, this IS wikipedia, so I guess we can't really expect true encyclopedic research if all one has to go with are band press releases. Ebonyskye 00:20, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi J Milburn. I have done some more fact checking and have compiled quite a list here. User:Ebonyskye/Sandbox It appears that your original complaint about this music by Garfinkle not being for the RPG format is incorrect. All the songs are to accompany the pen and paper games (though the songs were also released on other album compilations that accompanied the books). They are not for video games or the like, which I think was your first concern. So, according to this, I really do not think we can safely say that the Midnight Syndicate album is the only officially licensed album, nor the first. Aside from Garfinkle's "Songs of the Dragon" there is the "First Quest" music album, which features a wide range of musicians, and it has the D&D stamp right on it. Let me know what you think. Ebonyskye 00:50, 27 August 2007 (UTC) returned to fix typo Ebonyskye 00:57, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi All, Craig Stuart Garfinkle here. I find this dialog fascinating.
The music I created was for audio cd's that were released in conjunction with books and pre-made boards that were released by TSR as "Dungeons and Dragons" games. They had titles like, "Hail the Heroes," "Planescape, a Guide to the Outlands," and a host of others. There was also a TV special called "Dragonstrike" designed as both a game and as a "Dungeons and Dragons" instructional video.
The reason the original CD doesn't exist anymore is that I have moved on. I am currently composing for "World of WarCraft" and other projects where I am able to do so much more technically than I could do so many years ago, that I would have to recreate all of the old music from scratch to bring it to contemporary standards.
Finally, "Songs of the Dragon V2" is now on iTunes - featuring music from my score to "Baldur's Gate, The Dark Alliance II."
If you have any other questions, please feel free to reach out to me on FaceBook. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.88.133.211 ( talk) 03:43, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
There are two references in this article to a website (abbreviated LOTN in the refs) that does not satisfy WP:Verifiability because it is self-published by Joseph Vargo and there is no editorial control. The sole aim of the entire site is to discredit Midnight Syndicate and it's founder, Edward Douglas. Thatcher131 noted on Ebonyskye's talk page (archived) that the website was considered original research and was, therefore, not reliable. - Skinny McGee 13:43, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
OK, i was asked to take a look at this source issue. A few things are important.
Those were the primary things that I kept in mind when looking at this.
So I see no problem for this source for these 2 specific lines in the article that use the source. It's 100% correct to use it in the context of a claim instead of a fact. It would of course be better if other sources can be found that verify this information so that all forms of speculative wording can be removed from the article text, but that is something totally different. -- TheDJ ( talk • contribs) 15:21, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
The problem is that most of that what you (McGee) quoted is to protect "living people" from libelous baseless attacks made by others. But there is nothing wrong with documenting and reporting in an article about a business (bands are businesses) dispute that is as far as I can see (i knew nothing about these people until 3PM CEST) at least not baseless. It is not black and white, it is gray. If these people have an issue, then it is up to them to solve that issue, and not up to us to decide who is right and who is wrong. We show both sides and let them fight it out. From what I have read I wouldn't dare to say that Vargo is fully incorrect, nor that the band is fully correct. Neither do I particularly care who is. In the mean time, I think we should show something from both sides. And even though the band may consider this contentious, in all honestly it's not. It's two stupid little companies that wanna fight each-other over their shared history and are doing it in a very mano-a-mano way. I haven't seen any proof that one or the other party is consistently lying and providing false information, so to call statements from either one of the parties contentious is contentious in itself. We do not include information from people who are known to lie, but if both parties say the other is lying, then who are we to decide which of the two is lying? We should wish them good luck with settling that and ignore them until one of them shows us some proof. -- TheDJ ( talk • contribs) 19:08, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
I'm glad the research I provided on the other D&D albums helped. I am thinking of buying the Garfinkle album just to get a look at the credits on it. I wish I could get First Quest. I saw it on ebay but it was a book without the audio. As for all this talk on "Thou Who Shall Not Be Named" the artist's website has a long list of interviews from over the years, some that predate the Midnight Syndicate breakup. I have yet to read them all, but maybe there's something reliable in there that helps support what the guy is saying on the LOTN site. Here's the link [12]. There's also some interviews on the LOTN site itself, possibly cross-linked, I'm not sure. I did notice though that his poster (Born of the Night) is dated from 1993. I actually got one of those from Hot Topic a few years ago. Ebonyskye 14:20, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
Overall I think that you've done an excellent job with the article. There are, however, a few minor things that I feel need to be corrected before I can pass the article.
Thus, the verdict for the moment is to put the article on hold for up to seven days, after which point it may be failed without any further notice. Given the work that you've done on it thus far, I think that these concerns are relatively minor and I hope to pass it soon! Cheers, CP 17:40, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
As a neutral editor, I have been told many times that the Lead should not have references, as they are repeated in the article (this includes Featured Article reviews, BTW). -- andreasegde 17:49, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
Since the start of the review, in my search for information to address the points above, I have added a few facts and new citations, as well as small prose-tweaks. You may wish to compare the history from when you first arrived to the article now, to see what I have added. J Milburn 21:57, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
The use of captionings such as "Compared to the opening of Conan the Barbarian" and "Described as sounding similar to Danny Elfman's music" next to the titles of the tracks themselves is highly irregular for a wikipedia music article and jars significantly with the standard expected for such an article. Perhaps these "observances" should be taken to a separate section before the track listing (properly cited, of course), allowing those who are interested in such information to find information in one way, and those interesting in solely the track listing to find information in the track listing, as expected?
It sounds needlessly pedantic, but thinking about it, including information about the tracks within the names of the tracks themselves is entirely inappropriate and not an efficient use of space in any way. It's confusing, allows the fan to rule over the artist (through exposing the influences of music at exactly the same level as the music itself), and not in any way part of a NPOV by putting one interpretation of the music above all others.
I won't change anything without response regarding this (I lack the technical know-how to do so in any case) as there could be a perfectly reasonable answer for this. As it stands, though, this section appears to be highly subjective, running against the prevailing structural standards of wikipedia, and entirely contrary to the purpose of the site. Any thoughts? 86.16.152.103 ( talk) 01:33, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
I'd like to call for the sentence 'It is reputedly the only official Dungeons & Dragons soundtrack.' to be removed from the article. Even if it isn't accepted that the other claim of a previous 'official D&D soundtrack' existed, there is another CD called Dragonlance: Dragons of Autumn Twilight.
Dragonlance is a Dungeons and Dragons campaign setting, so the soundtrack of the Dragonlance: Dragons of Autumn Twilight movie is just as 'official' as this one, and that makes the claim that this CD is the only 'official' one seem to be an inaccurate statement.
I think it would be better to drop all references to claims like that and concentrate on the article being about the music and the project behind it. I think that we also need a Dragonlance: Dragons of Autumn Twilight (album) article and maybe a category for D&D music articles to go into. Big Mac ( talk) 02:25, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
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Wow, a decade between achieving FA status and becoming "Today's Featured Article". It's got to be some sort of record. But congratulations to the editors. Praemonitus ( talk) 14:17, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
There's an ongoing FA sweeps focused on the older ones to make sure everything is up to current standards. I'm not entirely familiar with D&D related sources, but I'm really unsure that some of these sources meet the "high-quality reliable sources" part of WP:FACR. Sources such as Legion of the Night, The Acaeum, Gamingreport.com, Living Dead Girls, Middle Pillar, Darker than the Bat, and Skirmisher Game Store would likely be challenged at a FAC today. Most of the rest of the sources are primary. Hog Farm Talk 20:38, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
@ Hog Farm, J Milburn, and BOZ: I am following up on the above conversation, and it seems the sources mentioned above are still in the article. Are you willing to fix up this article, or would one of you be interested in bringing this to WP:FAR? Hog Farm and I have 5 articles at FAR right now, we would not be able to nominate this for a couple of weeks. Z1720 ( talk) 20:02, 6 February 2022 (UTC)