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Since 1947 Italy is a Republic and the title of Duke of Parma is not valid, like others nobility titles. Because of that, from 1947 to now they are "pretenders to Dukes of Parma", but not "Dukes of Parma". --Hinzel 04:34, 10 October 2008 (UTC) —Preceding
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The Duchy of Parma, and hereditary title thereto, were granted by Pope Paul III in 1545 to the ancestor of the current title bearer, and have never been revoked. The grant of that title has thus always been papal, rather than Italian, and the Pope remains a legal
fount of honour as sovereign of
Vatican City. The fact that Parma is no longer under the jurisdiction of the Holy See is irrelevant to retention of the title, since it is an ancient and international tradition that sovereigns may lawfully grant
titular dignities based on territories over which they exercise no sovereignty, e.g.
victory titles.
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Since 1947 Italy is a Republic and the title of Duke of Parma is not valid, like others nobility titles. Because of that, from 1947 to now they are "pretenders to Dukes of Parma", but not "Dukes of Parma". --Hinzel 04:34, 10 October 2008 (UTC) —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Hinzel (
talk •
contribs)
The Duchy of Parma, and hereditary title thereto, were granted by Pope Paul III in 1545 to the ancestor of the current title bearer, and have never been revoked. The grant of that title has thus always been papal, rather than Italian, and the Pope remains a legal
fount of honour as sovereign of
Vatican City. The fact that Parma is no longer under the jurisdiction of the Holy See is irrelevant to retention of the title, since it is an ancient and international tradition that sovereigns may lawfully grant
titular dignities based on territories over which they exercise no sovereignty, e.g.
victory titles.
FactStraight (
talk) 00:53, 22 June 2018 (UTC)reply