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Did the Army special forces train for a deployment to mars or did astronauts train for mars or is that part just a joke? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.30.243.32 ( talk) 20:57, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
Can this be the new area that they are moving some of the research from Area 51 to? I have heard about a base in Utah that they were supposed to have moved some research to as "too many people" are camping out and observing Area 51 or trying to talk to the people flying in and out with Bechtel's private airline... -- Lindus 20:06, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
This page contains a copyrighted image from Google Earth ( Image:Dug.jpg) which has been put up for deletion (screenshots of Google Maps/Google Earth aren't fair use). A new image will be needed. Zetawoof( ζ) 09:46, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
I removed the following text:
Following the public attention drawn to Area 51 in the early 1990s, it has been suggested that whatever covert operations, if any, may have been underway at that location were subsequently transferred to DPG on the basis that, although the very real threat of arrest for felony tresspassing had proven insufficient to deter the curious from entering the perimeter of Area 51, the presence of biological and chemical weapons tests would prove an ample deterrent to scofflaws. The veracity of these claims is unknown. However, the merits of this strategy are undeniable. The chemical/biological/radiological identities and exact whereabouts of extremely hazardous materials are unknown to those outside the DPG community and, even then, one would presume such knowledge is limited in scope to a need-to-know basis. Thus those researching government activities at this site must takes risks equally consequential as for Russian Roulette but with no knowledge of the odds. Conversely, in the event an unauthorized intruder to DPG were assessed to be an informational threat based on the actuality or mere probability that covert activities had been compromised, there exist presumably numerous explanations for said intruder's demise (i.e., VX gas, etc.) For these reasons, DPG seems an ideal location for the undertaking of any covert and/or illegal activities deemed desirous by government agencies or the military establishment.
It is not verified WP:verifiability, with no source, and it also appears to be orginal research WP:NOR. In addition, this paragraph uses weasel terms WP:AWW: "it has been suggested". This begs the question: who suggested it?
There are a lot of presumptions, etc. "However, the merits of this strategy are undeniable." "one would presume" "seems an ideal location" Travb ( talk) 00:56, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Text in bold remained in the article:
Following the public attention drawn to Area 51 in the early 1990s, UFOlogists and conspiracy theorists have suggested that whatever covert operations, if any, may have been underway at that location were subsequently transferred to DPG on the basis that, although the very real threat of arrest for felony tresspassing had proven insufficient to deter the curious from entering the perimeter of Area 51, the presence of biological and chemical weapons tests would prove an ample deterrent to scofflaws. The veracity of these claims is unknown and, given the classified status of activities at both locations, unknowable. However, the alleged merits of this strategy are as follows:
The chemical/biological/radiological identities and exact whereabouts of extremely hazardous materials are unknown to those outside the DPG community and, even then, based on standard military operating procedures, such knowledge would be limited in scope on a need-to-know basis. Thus those researching government activities at this site must risk serious illness and/or death with no knowledge of the attendent probability of such outcomes.
Furthermore, in the event an unauthorized intruder to DPG were assessed to be an informational threat based on the actuality or mere probability that covert activities had been compromised, there exist presumably numerous explanations for said intruder's demise (i.e., VX gas, etc.) For these reasons, it is understanable why the aforementioned parties consider DPG to be Area 51's successor location for the undertaking of any covert and/or illegal activities deemed desirous by government agencies or the military establishment.
* Article: Is Dugway the New Groom Lake?
I appreciate your contributions anon. I added a quote from the Deseret News article you provided. Thanks for the link.
Unfortunatly, the site you citied was a conspiracy theory site. As the guidelines state: Wikipedia articles should use reliable published sources. Please read over: Wikipedia:Reliable_sources particularly Wikipedia:Reliable_sources#Exceptional_claims_require_exceptional_evidence and Wikipedia:Reliable_sources#Bulletin_boards.2C_wikis_and_posts_to_Usenet.
I want to encourage you to continue editing on wikipedia, but please use reliable, verifiable sources.
Please read over WP:NOR because the next two paragraphs seem like speculation (maybe from the conspiracy website you listed.
Also please sign your posts with ~~~~.
I look forward to your future edits. I will look into the DPG alien thing on lexis nexis academic. Travb ( talk) 09:44, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Don't understand objection to the text in bold.
"Following the public attention drawn to Area 51 in the early 1990s, UFOlogists and conspiracy theorists have suggested that whatever covert operations, if any, may have been underway at that location were subsequently transferred to DPG" is an undeniable factual statement.
This opinion is expressed by UFOlogists and alien-conspiracy "experts" in all recent programming concerning Area 51 found on Discovery Channel, History Channel, The Science Channel, etc. The article link you removed supports that a bona fide subset of Area 51 "watchers" believes Dugway is the new Area 51.
Here is another similar site maintained by a different, similarly opinioned, individual: http://www.aliendave.com/UUFOH_DugwayProvingGrounds.html
Also, you'll find substantial discussion on this topic by Googling "dugway area 51"
24.15.5.195 15:39, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
The Popular Mechanics article is interesting; e.g., "Studying a map of Utah shows that Michael AAF has the exact same security feature that drew U-2 developers to Area 51. It sits next to a ferocious junkyard dog. Where the Groom Dry Lake Bed had a nuclear test site to discourage the uninvited, Michael AAF has an equally, perhaps more, compelling deterrent. It is in the midst of Dugway Proving Ground, the place where the Army stores and tests nerve gas."
24.15.5.195 17:25, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the new contributions today, I moved them to talk. Please provide sources for the new additions:
Travb ( talk) 03:20, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
There were quite a few reports linking the DPG to the 2001 anthrax attacks [1] [2] [3]. Shouldn't it be also included in the article? Froy1100 ( talk) 12:08, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
None of the stamens below make sense or are sourced:
In October 2011, DPG established biological warfare facilities at an isolated area within DPG known as the Granite Peak Installation - UTTR's range telemetry and tracking radar installation.
In September 2013 Dugway started working on the "X" project, which involved many secret squirrel milestones. This project was completed fall of 2014.
Lestatdelc ( talk) 09:20, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
I'm no expert, but I don't think there is such a thing as a "Southeastern Bearded Elephant." Funny, though. Flag the "Dugway Southeastern Bearded Elephant Kill" incident section of this page as citation needed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.0.92.83 ( talk) 09:01, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
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Did the Army special forces train for a deployment to mars or did astronauts train for mars or is that part just a joke? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.30.243.32 ( talk) 20:57, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
Can this be the new area that they are moving some of the research from Area 51 to? I have heard about a base in Utah that they were supposed to have moved some research to as "too many people" are camping out and observing Area 51 or trying to talk to the people flying in and out with Bechtel's private airline... -- Lindus 20:06, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
This page contains a copyrighted image from Google Earth ( Image:Dug.jpg) which has been put up for deletion (screenshots of Google Maps/Google Earth aren't fair use). A new image will be needed. Zetawoof( ζ) 09:46, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
I removed the following text:
Following the public attention drawn to Area 51 in the early 1990s, it has been suggested that whatever covert operations, if any, may have been underway at that location were subsequently transferred to DPG on the basis that, although the very real threat of arrest for felony tresspassing had proven insufficient to deter the curious from entering the perimeter of Area 51, the presence of biological and chemical weapons tests would prove an ample deterrent to scofflaws. The veracity of these claims is unknown. However, the merits of this strategy are undeniable. The chemical/biological/radiological identities and exact whereabouts of extremely hazardous materials are unknown to those outside the DPG community and, even then, one would presume such knowledge is limited in scope to a need-to-know basis. Thus those researching government activities at this site must takes risks equally consequential as for Russian Roulette but with no knowledge of the odds. Conversely, in the event an unauthorized intruder to DPG were assessed to be an informational threat based on the actuality or mere probability that covert activities had been compromised, there exist presumably numerous explanations for said intruder's demise (i.e., VX gas, etc.) For these reasons, DPG seems an ideal location for the undertaking of any covert and/or illegal activities deemed desirous by government agencies or the military establishment.
It is not verified WP:verifiability, with no source, and it also appears to be orginal research WP:NOR. In addition, this paragraph uses weasel terms WP:AWW: "it has been suggested". This begs the question: who suggested it?
There are a lot of presumptions, etc. "However, the merits of this strategy are undeniable." "one would presume" "seems an ideal location" Travb ( talk) 00:56, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Text in bold remained in the article:
Following the public attention drawn to Area 51 in the early 1990s, UFOlogists and conspiracy theorists have suggested that whatever covert operations, if any, may have been underway at that location were subsequently transferred to DPG on the basis that, although the very real threat of arrest for felony tresspassing had proven insufficient to deter the curious from entering the perimeter of Area 51, the presence of biological and chemical weapons tests would prove an ample deterrent to scofflaws. The veracity of these claims is unknown and, given the classified status of activities at both locations, unknowable. However, the alleged merits of this strategy are as follows:
The chemical/biological/radiological identities and exact whereabouts of extremely hazardous materials are unknown to those outside the DPG community and, even then, based on standard military operating procedures, such knowledge would be limited in scope on a need-to-know basis. Thus those researching government activities at this site must risk serious illness and/or death with no knowledge of the attendent probability of such outcomes.
Furthermore, in the event an unauthorized intruder to DPG were assessed to be an informational threat based on the actuality or mere probability that covert activities had been compromised, there exist presumably numerous explanations for said intruder's demise (i.e., VX gas, etc.) For these reasons, it is understanable why the aforementioned parties consider DPG to be Area 51's successor location for the undertaking of any covert and/or illegal activities deemed desirous by government agencies or the military establishment.
* Article: Is Dugway the New Groom Lake?
I appreciate your contributions anon. I added a quote from the Deseret News article you provided. Thanks for the link.
Unfortunatly, the site you citied was a conspiracy theory site. As the guidelines state: Wikipedia articles should use reliable published sources. Please read over: Wikipedia:Reliable_sources particularly Wikipedia:Reliable_sources#Exceptional_claims_require_exceptional_evidence and Wikipedia:Reliable_sources#Bulletin_boards.2C_wikis_and_posts_to_Usenet.
I want to encourage you to continue editing on wikipedia, but please use reliable, verifiable sources.
Please read over WP:NOR because the next two paragraphs seem like speculation (maybe from the conspiracy website you listed.
Also please sign your posts with ~~~~.
I look forward to your future edits. I will look into the DPG alien thing on lexis nexis academic. Travb ( talk) 09:44, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Don't understand objection to the text in bold.
"Following the public attention drawn to Area 51 in the early 1990s, UFOlogists and conspiracy theorists have suggested that whatever covert operations, if any, may have been underway at that location were subsequently transferred to DPG" is an undeniable factual statement.
This opinion is expressed by UFOlogists and alien-conspiracy "experts" in all recent programming concerning Area 51 found on Discovery Channel, History Channel, The Science Channel, etc. The article link you removed supports that a bona fide subset of Area 51 "watchers" believes Dugway is the new Area 51.
Here is another similar site maintained by a different, similarly opinioned, individual: http://www.aliendave.com/UUFOH_DugwayProvingGrounds.html
Also, you'll find substantial discussion on this topic by Googling "dugway area 51"
24.15.5.195 15:39, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
The Popular Mechanics article is interesting; e.g., "Studying a map of Utah shows that Michael AAF has the exact same security feature that drew U-2 developers to Area 51. It sits next to a ferocious junkyard dog. Where the Groom Dry Lake Bed had a nuclear test site to discourage the uninvited, Michael AAF has an equally, perhaps more, compelling deterrent. It is in the midst of Dugway Proving Ground, the place where the Army stores and tests nerve gas."
24.15.5.195 17:25, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the new contributions today, I moved them to talk. Please provide sources for the new additions:
Travb ( talk) 03:20, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
There were quite a few reports linking the DPG to the 2001 anthrax attacks [1] [2] [3]. Shouldn't it be also included in the article? Froy1100 ( talk) 12:08, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
None of the stamens below make sense or are sourced:
In October 2011, DPG established biological warfare facilities at an isolated area within DPG known as the Granite Peak Installation - UTTR's range telemetry and tracking radar installation.
In September 2013 Dugway started working on the "X" project, which involved many secret squirrel milestones. This project was completed fall of 2014.
Lestatdelc ( talk) 09:20, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
I'm no expert, but I don't think there is such a thing as a "Southeastern Bearded Elephant." Funny, though. Flag the "Dugway Southeastern Bearded Elephant Kill" incident section of this page as citation needed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.0.92.83 ( talk) 09:01, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
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