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I encountered this game in the pub last night, hence the minimal content. It was introduced to me under the title Alaya (could've been Allaya, Alayah, or similar sound-alike) and claiming that it was Chinese in origin, though I can find no references with search enging using those permuations. I chose the name "Duell" because that's the name of the edition produced by game manufacturer Parker Brothers / Hasbro [1]. Is it known by other names? mattp 20:15, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
Alea (or tabula is it is sometimes called) was a game played throughout the later Roman Empire. This game is derived from the Roman version but is still known as Alea. -- Alexander UK 11:35, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
Just to say - it is an interesting one mathematically. Beasley is an excellent source on board games, written several highly regarded books, including his the "In's and Out's of Peg Solitair" [2]. So, although the article has only WP:RS given I'm inclined to say we should keep this article just because he covered it, which shows it is of interest mathematically. That plus the difficulty of finding reliable sources online in this topic area.
The {{ prod}} template can be removed by anyone and once done so can't be added back in, the article then can only be deleted with an AfD discussion.
It is clearly an old game back to 1975 according to this page on Amazon about it by a seller. We have the issue with board games that old ones especially often don't have much available on them in online searchable text in Google and it needs searching in libraries to find out more about them looking at hard copy of old newspapers and such like.
I can't find much about it online. Two user reviews in online forums, I mention them because they may give interesting information to check out further to see if we can find anything more, not as reliable sources to use in the article itself, just as a source for phrases to search for and so on:
I've decided to remove the prod template just because of the Beasley cite together with the intrinsic difficulty of sourcing in this topic area. There may well be many sources but only available as hard copy from the 1970s to 80s. Also because this article has been here since 2006. If it really needed to be deleted I think someone would have deleted it by now especially in an area that gets so much attention as chess variants. It is also in the Chess variants template. If it does need to be deleted, it deserves an AfD rather than just to be deleted by a template for speedy deletion.
The only thing is - I don't have access to that encyclopedia. Who added it? Do you have access to it and can you quote from it? It would help with this article. Also as an encyclopedia it might well give further cites that would be useful. I am not involved in this in any way - I'm an occasional prod patroller. Robert Walker ( talk) 18:49, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
"Duell (Proprietary game, Parker Bros, 1984, first published in U.K. in 1975 as Conquest). Board 9x8; each side has eight dice arranged on rear ranks in addition to a king. Dice are rotated from square to square (and may change direction once during a move) according to number displayed. Win by capturing opponent’s K or occupying its array square. (Spielbox, January 1985)
David’s basic criterion in 1994, a few light-hearted entries apart, was that a game must have been published in some form, or at least have been played by a significant number of people outside the inventor’s circle of family and friends. The advent of the Internet has meant that ‘publication’ can now be achieved by making a few strokes on a computer keyboard and posting the result on a web site, so the first condition is no longer a constraint, and for this edition David felt obliged to be rather more selective. ...In the new edition, therefore, David added or intended to add a game only if there was evidence that significant numbers of people were playing it, or if it appeared to offer something genuinely new rather than mere complication or superficial novelty.
Have answered there - and my main suggestion there as you'll see is to add a {{ Notability}} template and leave the article "as is" with this alert which may lead to people adding sources to help establish notability. And then leave it for a year or two, and personally I see no harm in just leaving them in indefinitely -with their status clearly given. Anyway I have added a notability template to this article as per the suggestion :). Robert Walker ( talk) 20:26, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
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I encountered this game in the pub last night, hence the minimal content. It was introduced to me under the title Alaya (could've been Allaya, Alayah, or similar sound-alike) and claiming that it was Chinese in origin, though I can find no references with search enging using those permuations. I chose the name "Duell" because that's the name of the edition produced by game manufacturer Parker Brothers / Hasbro [1]. Is it known by other names? mattp 20:15, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
Alea (or tabula is it is sometimes called) was a game played throughout the later Roman Empire. This game is derived from the Roman version but is still known as Alea. -- Alexander UK 11:35, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
Just to say - it is an interesting one mathematically. Beasley is an excellent source on board games, written several highly regarded books, including his the "In's and Out's of Peg Solitair" [2]. So, although the article has only WP:RS given I'm inclined to say we should keep this article just because he covered it, which shows it is of interest mathematically. That plus the difficulty of finding reliable sources online in this topic area.
The {{ prod}} template can be removed by anyone and once done so can't be added back in, the article then can only be deleted with an AfD discussion.
It is clearly an old game back to 1975 according to this page on Amazon about it by a seller. We have the issue with board games that old ones especially often don't have much available on them in online searchable text in Google and it needs searching in libraries to find out more about them looking at hard copy of old newspapers and such like.
I can't find much about it online. Two user reviews in online forums, I mention them because they may give interesting information to check out further to see if we can find anything more, not as reliable sources to use in the article itself, just as a source for phrases to search for and so on:
I've decided to remove the prod template just because of the Beasley cite together with the intrinsic difficulty of sourcing in this topic area. There may well be many sources but only available as hard copy from the 1970s to 80s. Also because this article has been here since 2006. If it really needed to be deleted I think someone would have deleted it by now especially in an area that gets so much attention as chess variants. It is also in the Chess variants template. If it does need to be deleted, it deserves an AfD rather than just to be deleted by a template for speedy deletion.
The only thing is - I don't have access to that encyclopedia. Who added it? Do you have access to it and can you quote from it? It would help with this article. Also as an encyclopedia it might well give further cites that would be useful. I am not involved in this in any way - I'm an occasional prod patroller. Robert Walker ( talk) 18:49, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
"Duell (Proprietary game, Parker Bros, 1984, first published in U.K. in 1975 as Conquest). Board 9x8; each side has eight dice arranged on rear ranks in addition to a king. Dice are rotated from square to square (and may change direction once during a move) according to number displayed. Win by capturing opponent’s K or occupying its array square. (Spielbox, January 1985)
David’s basic criterion in 1994, a few light-hearted entries apart, was that a game must have been published in some form, or at least have been played by a significant number of people outside the inventor’s circle of family and friends. The advent of the Internet has meant that ‘publication’ can now be achieved by making a few strokes on a computer keyboard and posting the result on a web site, so the first condition is no longer a constraint, and for this edition David felt obliged to be rather more selective. ...In the new edition, therefore, David added or intended to add a game only if there was evidence that significant numbers of people were playing it, or if it appeared to offer something genuinely new rather than mere complication or superficial novelty.
Have answered there - and my main suggestion there as you'll see is to add a {{ Notability}} template and leave the article "as is" with this alert which may lead to people adding sources to help establish notability. And then leave it for a year or two, and personally I see no harm in just leaving them in indefinitely -with their status clearly given. Anyway I have added a notability template to this article as per the suggestion :). Robert Walker ( talk) 20:26, 6 August 2018 (UTC)