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138-142BPM? Who came up with that? Dubstep is even slower than Hip-Hop, which is around 92BPM. 83.77.236.197 ( talk) 15:02, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
-- Kaini ( talk) 15:47, 1 November 2008 (UTC)Often, a track's percussion will follow a pattern which when heard alone will appear to be playing at half the tempo of the track; the double-time feel is instead achieved by other elements, usually the bassline. An excellent example of this tension generated by the conflicting tempo is Skream's Rutten, which features a very sparse rhythm almost entirely composed of kick drum, snare drum, and a sparse hi-hat, with a distinctly half time implied 69bpm tempo. The track is instead propelled by a constant sub-bass following a four to the floor 138bpm pattern, and a sampled flute phrase.
Dubstep seems to be what Trip-Hop, Electronica, Ambient and IDM could sound like anytime. 83.77.192.92 ( talk) 07:16, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
Is there a way to maybe have a section mentioning the huge back to back support dubstep has had from nearly all the of the major european festivals in both 2007 , 2008? dubstep has headlined at Glastonbury(two years in a row), Roskilde, Sonar (Two years in a row now !), Bestival, Life Festival , Outlook, Dour Festival, Massive Attack's Southbank Festival etc etc. There has been some press on some of these festivals as well. What do you guys think? Seckle ( talk) 08:18, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
Just read through all that Kaini and Zeibura have to go thru in maintaining this page. Thank you guys for all the long work. It's a thankless task. I think the page is looking more and more decent recently. All the basics are covered. Seckle ( talk) 08:13, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
Fantastic article. Great read, very informative! Judyholliday ( talk) 12:33, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Highly appreciate it, if my submission were allowed to remain up. Its in now way spam, and it was written out of the knowledge I've achieved due to being a dubstep fan living in south florida. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Smittysaint ( talk • contribs) 22:44, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
well, they are booking awesome djs and as a writer who sees it with their own eyes, i feel that it definitely deserves a spot up there.
Smittysaint ( Talk) —Preceding comment was added at 03:00, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
there is, believe it or not, a track entitled 'freakshow' on britney's latest album which has a proper 'wobbler' subbassline. i was taken aback by it - you can find it on youtube pretty easily. i wonder if that's worth a mention or verifiable in some form other than shocked forum posts. the vocal disc of pinch's album is extremely commercial as well. this inevitable (just like d'n'b :() assimilation into the mainstream might be worth sticking in at the end in some form or other. not dissing that pinch album btw - i love it. -- Kaini ( talk) 00:48, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
P4k ( talk) 01:08, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
And here are some minor suggestions;
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If you are interested in keeping up with the latest news in the Dubstep area, Popround runs a regularly updated service pointing to latest Dubstep news/blog posts:
a bit out of date, shame good website
sigh -- Kaini ( talk) 19:38, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
Look on the bright side, that thread contains useful criticisms and makes up for that lack of peer review we got here.
This basically sums up why I'm on wikibreak at the moment. I'm going to do my honest job as a wikipedia administrator, and kindly remind everyone that WP:V and WP:RS must take priority in everything, basically what you said on the forum. I did do a few news searches for barefiles and couldn't find anything beyond one article which only mentioned it in passing, just listing the name and not saying anything about it or how it was any special. Searching for anything about breakstep doesn't seem particularly fruitful either.
There's a reason why, on another plane, I can't find many sources that talk about bassline house and niche apart from "it came from sheffield, people got stabbed, the club got closed down, oh yeah and heartbroken reached #2 and got played in cyprus", surrounded by loads of journalist baby talk. even I could add more to that article off my own head, and I'm not even from up north. The reason is that most "reliable sources" about new genres of music (e.g. what the national press and magazines write) just tend to say exactly the same thing.
In this article it's been a bit easier because of Martin Clark's pitchfork articles, which are invaluable pieces by a trusted music journalist who goes really deep into dubstep. Beyond that though, there isn't much else we can say unless we miraculously manage to convince the peeps at featured article review that any kind of consensus we can determine from the users of dubstepforum counts as a reliable source. Don't get me wrong, I wish we could, since I trust most of the users on that forum and because of these limitations, far more can be learned about dubstep reading those posts than any music magazine, newspaper or free encyclopedia. Any scholar would probably assert that both sources are equally (un)reliable. And once again, the fact that the content of the breakstep article was written by the same guy who we're citing as a reference yet copying some of it over would make this article unfeaturable due to original research just makes me want to skream.
Anyway, I've adapted one of Epithet's suggestions of listing some of the important websites in the lede, with reference to that article which lists barefiles and gutterbreakz in passing. Dubstepforum's already mentioned in a few of the references. The lede needs some more expansion anyways if we're ever going to get this featured. Also, the link to barefiles is still in the external links section. - Zeibura ( talk ) 02:33, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
Could he be one listed in 'estabilishing of sound' section? -- 86.57.254.215 ( talk) 11:15, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
From the AfD for the article: This music "genre" appears to lack any reliable sources. All of the citations are either to unreliable sources (blogs/non-peer reviewed content) or to websites that do not explicitly mention "thugstep". Editors are welcome to google for themselves, but the limited results are not encouraging.
Please stop adding unsourced material and imaginary genres to Wikipedia for the purposes of advertising, anon. -- Kaini ( talk) 13:47, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
First off, great article, guys. So much better than all the articles for other electronic genres. But the bit about Children of Men using dubstep. Either this page is wrong or Children of Men is, because it only has one Digital Mystikz track mentioned but here you've got kode9 and a few more too. I haven't seen the film so I don't know which is right. Michael Clarke, Esq. ( talk) 04:30, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
-- Kaini ( talk) 23:51, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
References to Steve Gurley, El-B as early promoters of DS are not working. Further searching The Wire site results no el-b and a link to burial's interview in case of gurley. Discogs search on those four (el-b, bias, gurley, jay) results only el-b and jay having original dubstep production, but all those four have a massive of remixes in dark garage era (1999-2002?). Some of them should be moved to dark garage -- 82.209.225.33 ( talk) 11:13, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
there's actually a genealogical diagram/chart (by martin clark, i presume) in the liner notes. a minor obsession of mine is getting it onto wiki - would be great in MANY articles, (even as a navbar or something!) but i really can't see a way of reproducing it whilst adhering to GFDL :( --01:03, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Aren't there WAY to many external links? I understand that I was reverted when I removed all of them, but I almost figured it would almost be easier to add relevant links again instead of having to look through all of them :P Anyway, links to numerous blogs and radio stations? Why? As the warning says: "WIKIPEDIA IS NOT A COLLECTION OF LINKS". aktsu ( talk) 00:07, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
In the last revision I edited, I found duplicate named references, i.e. references sharing the same name, but not having the same content. Please check them, as I am not able to fix them automatically :)
DumZiBoT ( talk) 22:34, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
i am afraid i don't understand your reasoning here, anon. why limit the infobox to "dark" garage? show me an article called dark garage. i can certainly show you articles about 2Step garage and UK Garage, along with articles about Dub Music and Drum and Bass. your logic is flawed here - a closed-minded attitude to genre only limits the article. you are more than welcome to keep reverting me, i have given you my reasoning, which is logical, and i have no problem introducing arbitration to this dispute if needs be.
you have accused me of
WP:OWN on my talk page; i simply want this article to be as good as it can be, and i cannot regard the addition substitution into the article of a sub-subgenre whose validity did not pass an AfD in the past to be constructive. --
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(replicating some discussion from talk pages)
Hello, how about to check references in Dark 2step article. Most of them clearly state Dark 2step mutated into Dubstep. Or arent those references good enough for wikipedia? -- 86.57.139.141 ( talk) 00:40, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
reverted. see comment. besides anything else, i think that dark garage introduces a POV issue. you are discounting very influential producers like zed bias and horsepower in the specificity of your additions. surely it is better to leave the genre at garage/2step without making this even more specific? it's an infobox. -- Kaini ( talk) 02:23, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
2-step garage and dark 2-step are both derivatives of UK garage. As I've stated, I'm perfectly willing to compromise (I'm interested in improving the 2-step article!) but seeing as UK garage is sort of progenitor of many of the rhythms and tropes of the sound, i really feel it needs to stay in the infobox. -- Kaini ( talk) 02:22, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
current editors of this article might find this discussion interesting. -- Kaini ( talk) 21:07, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
...should not be necessary. Everything in the infobox should be a very quick summary of prose in the article dictated by the field names, which should be referenced within the article where it's written as prose. currently this is not the case, there is no mention of "dark 2-step" in the article except in the infobox, and if it's as easily sourcable as it seems then there should be. - filelake shoe 23:09, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
Look at how many times often is used in this section. Such use makes it sound as if there is no definitive nature to the genre and appear weaselly. Actually, this entire section presents an appearance when read, that dubstep can not be defined. Perhaps instead of using often so much, provide examples of use. What B-side releases contain these experiments? Which dubstep artists have incorporated a variety of outside influences, instead of some? What releases present a dark feel; tracks using a minor key and featuring dissonant harmonies such as the diminished chord, in place of frequently and often?
Dubstep's early roots are in the more experimental releases of UK garage producers, seeking to incorporate elements of grime into the South London-based 2-step. These experiments often ended up on the B-side of a white label or commercial garage release. [1] [2] [3] Dubstep is generally instrumental. Like another, more vocal garage hybrid, grime, the genre's feel is often dark; tracks frequently use a minor key and often feature dissonant harmonies such as the diminished chord. Other distinguishing features often found are the use of samples, a propulsive, sparse rhythm, [4] and an almost omnipresent sub-bass. Some dubstep artists have also incorporated a variety of outside influences, from dub-influenced techno such as Basic Channel to classical music or heavy metal. [4] [5] [6]
Not knowing anything about dubstep, once I read this section, I stopped and almost went on to another article because I thought, well this doesn't tell me anything. Perhaps this can be rewritten and better defined? Only a suggestion of course. Cheers. -- Javier MC 00:21, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
I'm doing it.. I hope it's ok -- True Steppa ( talk) 22:31, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
your input is welcome over at Category talk:Burial albums. not gonna CfD it yet, i just wanna see what people think. -- Kaini ( talk) 22:33, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
pretty notable artist. i just started the article. please check and improve/expand. thanks-- True Steppa ( talk) 23:42, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
what is that? -- True Steppa ( talk) 00:08, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
Feel free to express your opinion here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wonky (music) - filelake shoe 12:02, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
i've been thinking... would a subsection describing 'wobbler' bass in some manner be fitting under characteristics? it's very prevalent (perhaps too much) and it's pretty easily described (an LFO modulating the cutoff or occasionally some other element of a very low sine wave)... coming up with a subsection title other than 'wobbler' might perhaps be the biggest challenge :P -- Kaini ( talk) 00:12, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
First Dubstep sounding track - Autchre - Anvil Empire EP - Track 4. Second Peng - 1995! —Preceding unsigned comment added by JaseFace ( talk • contribs) 21:51, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
Interesting idea but lots of typo: the EP is named Anvil Vapre, artist is Autechre. There are similar tracks from that period that probably are not direct ancestors of Dubstep but keep a certain resemblance. Just as the rhino doesn´t descend from the triceratops, I guess. 195.46.247.178 ( talk) 08:21, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
It's called "this month in Grime/2-Step", not "Grime/Dubstep" as it says in the wiki article, so I guess it should be removed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.111.123.204 ( talk) 02:35, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
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138-142BPM? Who came up with that? Dubstep is even slower than Hip-Hop, which is around 92BPM. 83.77.236.197 ( talk) 15:02, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
-- Kaini ( talk) 15:47, 1 November 2008 (UTC)Often, a track's percussion will follow a pattern which when heard alone will appear to be playing at half the tempo of the track; the double-time feel is instead achieved by other elements, usually the bassline. An excellent example of this tension generated by the conflicting tempo is Skream's Rutten, which features a very sparse rhythm almost entirely composed of kick drum, snare drum, and a sparse hi-hat, with a distinctly half time implied 69bpm tempo. The track is instead propelled by a constant sub-bass following a four to the floor 138bpm pattern, and a sampled flute phrase.
Dubstep seems to be what Trip-Hop, Electronica, Ambient and IDM could sound like anytime. 83.77.192.92 ( talk) 07:16, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
Is there a way to maybe have a section mentioning the huge back to back support dubstep has had from nearly all the of the major european festivals in both 2007 , 2008? dubstep has headlined at Glastonbury(two years in a row), Roskilde, Sonar (Two years in a row now !), Bestival, Life Festival , Outlook, Dour Festival, Massive Attack's Southbank Festival etc etc. There has been some press on some of these festivals as well. What do you guys think? Seckle ( talk) 08:18, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
Just read through all that Kaini and Zeibura have to go thru in maintaining this page. Thank you guys for all the long work. It's a thankless task. I think the page is looking more and more decent recently. All the basics are covered. Seckle ( talk) 08:13, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
Fantastic article. Great read, very informative! Judyholliday ( talk) 12:33, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Highly appreciate it, if my submission were allowed to remain up. Its in now way spam, and it was written out of the knowledge I've achieved due to being a dubstep fan living in south florida. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Smittysaint ( talk • contribs) 22:44, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
well, they are booking awesome djs and as a writer who sees it with their own eyes, i feel that it definitely deserves a spot up there.
Smittysaint ( Talk) —Preceding comment was added at 03:00, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
there is, believe it or not, a track entitled 'freakshow' on britney's latest album which has a proper 'wobbler' subbassline. i was taken aback by it - you can find it on youtube pretty easily. i wonder if that's worth a mention or verifiable in some form other than shocked forum posts. the vocal disc of pinch's album is extremely commercial as well. this inevitable (just like d'n'b :() assimilation into the mainstream might be worth sticking in at the end in some form or other. not dissing that pinch album btw - i love it. -- Kaini ( talk) 00:48, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
P4k ( talk) 01:08, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
And here are some minor suggestions;
Dihydrogen Monoxide ♫ 08:17, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
The following suggestions were generated by a semi-automatic javascript program, and might not be applicable for the article in question.
You may wish to browse through User:AndyZ/Suggestions for further ideas. Thanks, Dihydrogen Monoxide ♫ 08:17, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
If you are interested in keeping up with the latest news in the Dubstep area, Popround runs a regularly updated service pointing to latest Dubstep news/blog posts:
a bit out of date, shame good website
sigh -- Kaini ( talk) 19:38, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
Look on the bright side, that thread contains useful criticisms and makes up for that lack of peer review we got here.
This basically sums up why I'm on wikibreak at the moment. I'm going to do my honest job as a wikipedia administrator, and kindly remind everyone that WP:V and WP:RS must take priority in everything, basically what you said on the forum. I did do a few news searches for barefiles and couldn't find anything beyond one article which only mentioned it in passing, just listing the name and not saying anything about it or how it was any special. Searching for anything about breakstep doesn't seem particularly fruitful either.
There's a reason why, on another plane, I can't find many sources that talk about bassline house and niche apart from "it came from sheffield, people got stabbed, the club got closed down, oh yeah and heartbroken reached #2 and got played in cyprus", surrounded by loads of journalist baby talk. even I could add more to that article off my own head, and I'm not even from up north. The reason is that most "reliable sources" about new genres of music (e.g. what the national press and magazines write) just tend to say exactly the same thing.
In this article it's been a bit easier because of Martin Clark's pitchfork articles, which are invaluable pieces by a trusted music journalist who goes really deep into dubstep. Beyond that though, there isn't much else we can say unless we miraculously manage to convince the peeps at featured article review that any kind of consensus we can determine from the users of dubstepforum counts as a reliable source. Don't get me wrong, I wish we could, since I trust most of the users on that forum and because of these limitations, far more can be learned about dubstep reading those posts than any music magazine, newspaper or free encyclopedia. Any scholar would probably assert that both sources are equally (un)reliable. And once again, the fact that the content of the breakstep article was written by the same guy who we're citing as a reference yet copying some of it over would make this article unfeaturable due to original research just makes me want to skream.
Anyway, I've adapted one of Epithet's suggestions of listing some of the important websites in the lede, with reference to that article which lists barefiles and gutterbreakz in passing. Dubstepforum's already mentioned in a few of the references. The lede needs some more expansion anyways if we're ever going to get this featured. Also, the link to barefiles is still in the external links section. - Zeibura ( talk ) 02:33, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
Could he be one listed in 'estabilishing of sound' section? -- 86.57.254.215 ( talk) 11:15, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
From the AfD for the article: This music "genre" appears to lack any reliable sources. All of the citations are either to unreliable sources (blogs/non-peer reviewed content) or to websites that do not explicitly mention "thugstep". Editors are welcome to google for themselves, but the limited results are not encouraging.
Please stop adding unsourced material and imaginary genres to Wikipedia for the purposes of advertising, anon. -- Kaini ( talk) 13:47, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
First off, great article, guys. So much better than all the articles for other electronic genres. But the bit about Children of Men using dubstep. Either this page is wrong or Children of Men is, because it only has one Digital Mystikz track mentioned but here you've got kode9 and a few more too. I haven't seen the film so I don't know which is right. Michael Clarke, Esq. ( talk) 04:30, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
-- Kaini ( talk) 23:51, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
References to Steve Gurley, El-B as early promoters of DS are not working. Further searching The Wire site results no el-b and a link to burial's interview in case of gurley. Discogs search on those four (el-b, bias, gurley, jay) results only el-b and jay having original dubstep production, but all those four have a massive of remixes in dark garage era (1999-2002?). Some of them should be moved to dark garage -- 82.209.225.33 ( talk) 11:13, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
there's actually a genealogical diagram/chart (by martin clark, i presume) in the liner notes. a minor obsession of mine is getting it onto wiki - would be great in MANY articles, (even as a navbar or something!) but i really can't see a way of reproducing it whilst adhering to GFDL :( --01:03, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Aren't there WAY to many external links? I understand that I was reverted when I removed all of them, but I almost figured it would almost be easier to add relevant links again instead of having to look through all of them :P Anyway, links to numerous blogs and radio stations? Why? As the warning says: "WIKIPEDIA IS NOT A COLLECTION OF LINKS". aktsu ( talk) 00:07, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
In the last revision I edited, I found duplicate named references, i.e. references sharing the same name, but not having the same content. Please check them, as I am not able to fix them automatically :)
DumZiBoT ( talk) 22:34, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
i am afraid i don't understand your reasoning here, anon. why limit the infobox to "dark" garage? show me an article called dark garage. i can certainly show you articles about 2Step garage and UK Garage, along with articles about Dub Music and Drum and Bass. your logic is flawed here - a closed-minded attitude to genre only limits the article. you are more than welcome to keep reverting me, i have given you my reasoning, which is logical, and i have no problem introducing arbitration to this dispute if needs be.
you have accused me of
WP:OWN on my talk page; i simply want this article to be as good as it can be, and i cannot regard the addition substitution into the article of a sub-subgenre whose validity did not pass an AfD in the past to be constructive. --
Kaini (
talk)
00:37, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
(replicating some discussion from talk pages)
Hello, how about to check references in Dark 2step article. Most of them clearly state Dark 2step mutated into Dubstep. Or arent those references good enough for wikipedia? -- 86.57.139.141 ( talk) 00:40, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
reverted. see comment. besides anything else, i think that dark garage introduces a POV issue. you are discounting very influential producers like zed bias and horsepower in the specificity of your additions. surely it is better to leave the genre at garage/2step without making this even more specific? it's an infobox. -- Kaini ( talk) 02:23, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
2-step garage and dark 2-step are both derivatives of UK garage. As I've stated, I'm perfectly willing to compromise (I'm interested in improving the 2-step article!) but seeing as UK garage is sort of progenitor of many of the rhythms and tropes of the sound, i really feel it needs to stay in the infobox. -- Kaini ( talk) 02:22, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
current editors of this article might find this discussion interesting. -- Kaini ( talk) 21:07, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
...should not be necessary. Everything in the infobox should be a very quick summary of prose in the article dictated by the field names, which should be referenced within the article where it's written as prose. currently this is not the case, there is no mention of "dark 2-step" in the article except in the infobox, and if it's as easily sourcable as it seems then there should be. - filelake shoe 23:09, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
Look at how many times often is used in this section. Such use makes it sound as if there is no definitive nature to the genre and appear weaselly. Actually, this entire section presents an appearance when read, that dubstep can not be defined. Perhaps instead of using often so much, provide examples of use. What B-side releases contain these experiments? Which dubstep artists have incorporated a variety of outside influences, instead of some? What releases present a dark feel; tracks using a minor key and featuring dissonant harmonies such as the diminished chord, in place of frequently and often?
Dubstep's early roots are in the more experimental releases of UK garage producers, seeking to incorporate elements of grime into the South London-based 2-step. These experiments often ended up on the B-side of a white label or commercial garage release. [1] [2] [3] Dubstep is generally instrumental. Like another, more vocal garage hybrid, grime, the genre's feel is often dark; tracks frequently use a minor key and often feature dissonant harmonies such as the diminished chord. Other distinguishing features often found are the use of samples, a propulsive, sparse rhythm, [4] and an almost omnipresent sub-bass. Some dubstep artists have also incorporated a variety of outside influences, from dub-influenced techno such as Basic Channel to classical music or heavy metal. [4] [5] [6]
Not knowing anything about dubstep, once I read this section, I stopped and almost went on to another article because I thought, well this doesn't tell me anything. Perhaps this can be rewritten and better defined? Only a suggestion of course. Cheers. -- Javier MC 00:21, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
I'm doing it.. I hope it's ok -- True Steppa ( talk) 22:31, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
your input is welcome over at Category talk:Burial albums. not gonna CfD it yet, i just wanna see what people think. -- Kaini ( talk) 22:33, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
pretty notable artist. i just started the article. please check and improve/expand. thanks-- True Steppa ( talk) 23:42, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
what is that? -- True Steppa ( talk) 00:08, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
Feel free to express your opinion here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wonky (music) - filelake shoe 12:02, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
i've been thinking... would a subsection describing 'wobbler' bass in some manner be fitting under characteristics? it's very prevalent (perhaps too much) and it's pretty easily described (an LFO modulating the cutoff or occasionally some other element of a very low sine wave)... coming up with a subsection title other than 'wobbler' might perhaps be the biggest challenge :P -- Kaini ( talk) 00:12, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
First Dubstep sounding track - Autchre - Anvil Empire EP - Track 4. Second Peng - 1995! —Preceding unsigned comment added by JaseFace ( talk • contribs) 21:51, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
Interesting idea but lots of typo: the EP is named Anvil Vapre, artist is Autechre. There are similar tracks from that period that probably are not direct ancestors of Dubstep but keep a certain resemblance. Just as the rhino doesn´t descend from the triceratops, I guess. 195.46.247.178 ( talk) 08:21, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
It's called "this month in Grime/2-Step", not "Grime/Dubstep" as it says in the wiki article, so I guess it should be removed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.111.123.204 ( talk) 02:35, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
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