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Did as much as I could, not much in the way of reference for this yet. Still need to fill in some history on the show, and maybe rewrite/expand the format section. Alden richter ( talk) 08:30, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
There are more than 10 episodes in the second season. During the 10th aired episode, "Hippo Island," a preview for a new episode to air the following week (24 June, 2011,) was shown. The title of the episode is "Up the River." The description of the episode from the series' website is: "In Kentucky, Dave and Cody take on a scenario of two kayakers who are dumped into the cold river just a few hours before sundown. To make things worse, they become separated from each other by two miles of rushing river. Then, Dave traps an irate skunk." Ref: http://dsc.discovery.com/tv-schedules/series.html?paid=1.16333.26299.39182.x 68.41.153.62 ( talk)
Is this show staged, or is it real? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.22.176.211 ( talk) 19:11, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
-- You can't just say "of course it's staged" staged is a subjective term. Care to cite some information regarding that this show is as perfectly scripted or "staged" as a Spielberg movie? All that disclaimer is for is to make sure that people realize that Dave and Cody got proper medical attention and support when in life threatening situations as required by law. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.64.195.5 ( talk) 20:04, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
All TV is "produced" that is the point of TV production, and the show does have the disclaimer at the start. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Minty10200 ( talk • contribs) 21:44, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
Couldn't find any evidence that Mykel Hawke will be the replacement co-star. I suspect this is also vandalism like the last update I just reverted. Can anyone shed any light on the subject? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.177.228.192 ( talk) 22:00, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
To complete what you did, I just removed the word "former" from next to Dave's name on the cast list until he is actually "former" there is no reason for it. His FB page asked people whether they were excited for season three coming up in 2012, but that was in Nov, 2011. 173.2.45.231 ( talk) 14:01, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
Dave is no longer the co-host. Lundin has been filming with a new person since April, according to his facebook site. Isn't that reason enough? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Minty10200 ( talk • contribs) 21:42, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
The sources after the sentence about the reason Dave was 'fired' do not mention this at all. Why is this on here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.192.207.67 ( talk) 15:55, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
Canterbury's own 2008 bio makes military claims that are not true. This bio also states, in his own words, that he worked full time at an auto plant in Ohio. Clearly one does not have 20 years of experience teaching survival when they are a factory worker. Lundin's bio, for those who think, says it all about dishonesty regarding Canterbury. POWnetwork.org specializes in exposing phonies. They have Dave listed. If these aren't reliable sources, what is?? Wicki should not be used to censor the truth. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Minty10200 ( talk • contribs) 21:34, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
Journal Scholar, here is what the POWnetwork has stated about Dave, "He was let go from the show after the claims and actual records came to light." In other words, he was fired for misrepresenting his military background, (and civilian), which you continue to dispute as well after seeing Dave's own bio. In this bio Dave claims to be Airborne, etc, not just a Ranger. Why didn't you add these other lies to his page? Why did you cherry pick what the POWnetowrk said and ignore that fact that they said he was "let go" i.e. fired? Daves "business" as he stated on his 2008 bio was selling archery equipment online, thus his old email address wildernessoutfittersarchery@yahoo.com. He did not teach survival, even then. Working at an auto plant full time and selling bow and arrows on a web site does not give someone 20 years of survival skills experience. All are different fields. Lundin has the proven decades of experience, Canterbury does not. Canterbury also claimed to leave the show himself for family and business reasons in April, when he was really fired in September. Please do your homework and quit censoring the Dual Survival page! That said, I think you have added great professionalism to Lundins and Canterburys page. Sincerely, Minty10200. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Minty10200 ( talk • contribs) 17:45, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
POW is not a reliable source for info that is non military?? Really, says who, you? What is your proof? Or is it simply your opinion, and as you have told me many times, opinions are not acceptable according to Wickipedia standards. One more time Canterbury fan, POWnetwork ONLY takes FIRST HAND information in WRITING. I have told you to check this out, instead, you simply vandal the page based on your opinion. Unacceptable. Canterbury was "let go" for lying. Quit censoring the truth! Also, don't you wonder why when you added the false ranger thing to Daves page that it kept being "blanked"? Minty 10200 ( Minty10200 ( talk) 00:29, 15 August 2012 (UTC)).
I will report you for vandalism sir. I'm trying to save you some embarrassment. Give me an email or a phone number and I will have a first hand source contact you, consider that this source has shared this with others too. I will check this when i can for your contact info. ( Minty10200 ( talk) 00:45, 15 August 2012 (UTC))
This is interesting apparently Lundin wants something to be said on Wikipedia he is unwilling to say himself, http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cody-Lundin-Aboriginal-Living-Skills-School-LLC/124508247561387
These two commentators hit the nail on the head,
"I'm not sure what the point of this was. Was it to point out how Wikipedia is a poor academic source? Or was it another opportunity to take veiled shots at the former co-host? Because I'm still waiting to hear the actual story from the direct source without lame ass assertions and innuendo. But even those directly involved in events can't be a trusted source either."
"The thing is, Cody, the whole REASON wikipedia editors keep removing the facts related to you having a new cast member is that there is no reliable source for those facts. If you issued an official, public statement, whether here on Facebook or elsewhere, with your thoughts on it, they could link to that statement as a source, and the edits would then be allowed to remain by the editors of wikipedia. In fact, this entire little war of edits is occurring precisely because there has been so little in terms of official statements regarding the cast change. At least SOME of wikipedia's editors are in fact trying to maintain the objectivity of the site by only allowing statements which can be linked to a reliable source to be allowed on the site."
If Lundin is unwilling to say it then it is likely a legal issue with Discovery and even more of a reason to be careful about adding unsourced inuendo on Wikipedia in violation of WP:BLP. Cody can rest assured that as soon as a reliable source WP:RS says Dave was fired and for why it will be added. He can resolve this at any time by making an explicit statement to the press. -- JournalScholar ( talk) 02:48, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
I think this article needs to be protected, it is vandalized on a regular basis, unfortunately, I don't know the correct procedure to request protection. -- 79.181.196.229 ( talk) 15:35, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
I would like help in reporting the user Journal Scholar to whoever takes disputes regarding content on Wickipedia. I have looked at Journal Scholars history and the lions share of it is dealing with Dave Canterbury. I do not feel that a Dave canterbury fan should be dictating facts and suppressing the truth about the Canterbury firing as fully supported by POWnetwork.org. POWnetwork also has other lies that Canterbury told that are not being added to Canterburys page. Journal Scholar took great pains to cherry pick information from the POW page to add to Canterburys page. Why is this being allowed to happen, the censoring of the truth? ( Minty10200 ( talk) 22:46, 20 August 2012 (UTC))
Is Joseph Teti notable enough to have a standalone article? Wikipedia:BLP1E. StevePrutz ( talk) 18:51, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
Jogershok Per WP:SPS "Never use self-published sources as third-party sources about living people, even if the author is an expert, well-known professional researcher, or writer." These blogs are not reliable sources for information about Teti. Do not add them again. Gaijin42 ( talk) 18:36, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
These sources are not self published but contain the evidence from the records released from the Military Personal Center are authentic and evidence that this man is NEITHER a combat vet nor a retired Special Forces soldier. Joseph N Teti combat veteran GWOT poser Teti Resume Remove the word RETIRED, he is not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jogershok ( talk • contribs) 18:50, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
Then I will contact those sources for retraction. Jogershok ( talk) 19:04, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
But they are reliable sources according to your standards. Can you remove the word "retired" from his paragraph? Jogershok ( talk) 19:50, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
You credit the two newspaper articles which state he is a retired green beret as reliable sources but then say that their standards are lower than Wikipedia's. Can we have it both ways?
SSG Teti left A Company 5th Battalion 19th Special Forces Group (SFG) 25 DEC 01 without serving the required time in service or with a qualifying disability that would qualify him to be issued a retired military ID Card. Truth be told he knew his Special Forces (SF) team in A/5/19th SFG and the California National Guard (CANG) was on alert for deployment in OCT 2001 and chose, as was his right, to not reenlist in the CANG or with the 19th SFG. I served on active duty with the 7th SFG from 3 DEC 73 (when I earned my beret) until 9 DEC 81 when I left active duty. I am not retired Special Forces even though I am a LIFE member of the Special Forces Association. I had 10 years of service not 20 years as required to be issued a retired ID card and collect a pension upon discharge. National Guard and Reserve component service members must show credit for service based upon their regulations and are issued a retired ID card upon their discharge if they are qualified. National Guard and Reserve service members who complete a minimum of 20 "qualifying" years of service (creditable retirement years) become eligible for retired pay at age 60. [1] Jogershok ( talk) 22:40, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
Now the Army Times has weighed in on Teti's claims:
″Mary Schantag, who heads both the POW Network and FakeWarriors.org, has investigated some 5,000 contested claims of combat experience and valor medals. She contends that a contractor simply cannot earn the same status that a military member can.
'I don’t care if you’re a veteran of however many contracting scenarios,' she said. 'It does not make you a combat veteran.'
” [2] Jogershok ( talk) 16:54, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
An article in the Army Times states that The Special Forces Association stripped Joseph Teti of his membership and he is ineligible to rejoin the organization.
As stated in that article, “He’s an embarrassment to the Regiment, because of the falsehoods, lies and embellishments he’s used in association with his Special Forces qualifications,” says retired Army Sgt. Maj. George Davenport, a “life member” of the organization.
Among Teti’s lies, says Davenport, are claims that he was a graduate of the Special Forces Combat Diver and Special Forces Sniper courses.
“I personally checked with the Special Forces schools and he did not go to those courses. There is no record of him attending,” stated George Davenport, founder of the “Special Forces Poser Patrol” Facebook page, which added Teti to the group’s “Wall of Shame” Sept. 30 in the wake of the SFA’s decision. [3] Jogershok ( talk) 23:28, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
Facebook etc are not reliable. Army times is, but only for the things it directly says, and things that are opinions need to be following WP:ATTRIBUTEPOV and even derogatory facts should be attributed to the people asserting those facts. In particular, we should be saying something like "According to Davenport" not stuff in the wiki's voice Gaijin42 ( talk) 01:49, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
Please note that all of the most recent claims are from the Army Times or Military Times. The reference to Facebook is what was stated by the Army Times as to the bonafides of George Davenport. That same article quotes the President of the Special Forces Association, Jack Tobin, as the source of information regarding Teti's expulsion from the organization. [4]
In the wake of Cabala's severing their relationship with Joseph Teti, Casio watches is considering their options since the Special Forces Association has expelled him from their organization. Teti denies the allegations. Teti replaced David Canterbury, another Army veteran, who, after allegations surfaced that he had lied about some of his military qualifications, was fired from the program. [5] Jogershok ( talk) 01:12, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
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I was considering removing it, but I wanted to pose that question here first. All of the information about the air dates and cast is already in the table above it, and the (seemingly out-of-place) information about Josh James can go elsewhere, namely the 'Format' section and/or the lead. TheTechnician27 ( talk) 09:29, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
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Did as much as I could, not much in the way of reference for this yet. Still need to fill in some history on the show, and maybe rewrite/expand the format section. Alden richter ( talk) 08:30, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
There are more than 10 episodes in the second season. During the 10th aired episode, "Hippo Island," a preview for a new episode to air the following week (24 June, 2011,) was shown. The title of the episode is "Up the River." The description of the episode from the series' website is: "In Kentucky, Dave and Cody take on a scenario of two kayakers who are dumped into the cold river just a few hours before sundown. To make things worse, they become separated from each other by two miles of rushing river. Then, Dave traps an irate skunk." Ref: http://dsc.discovery.com/tv-schedules/series.html?paid=1.16333.26299.39182.x 68.41.153.62 ( talk)
Is this show staged, or is it real? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.22.176.211 ( talk) 19:11, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
-- You can't just say "of course it's staged" staged is a subjective term. Care to cite some information regarding that this show is as perfectly scripted or "staged" as a Spielberg movie? All that disclaimer is for is to make sure that people realize that Dave and Cody got proper medical attention and support when in life threatening situations as required by law. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.64.195.5 ( talk) 20:04, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
All TV is "produced" that is the point of TV production, and the show does have the disclaimer at the start. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Minty10200 ( talk • contribs) 21:44, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
Couldn't find any evidence that Mykel Hawke will be the replacement co-star. I suspect this is also vandalism like the last update I just reverted. Can anyone shed any light on the subject? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.177.228.192 ( talk) 22:00, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
To complete what you did, I just removed the word "former" from next to Dave's name on the cast list until he is actually "former" there is no reason for it. His FB page asked people whether they were excited for season three coming up in 2012, but that was in Nov, 2011. 173.2.45.231 ( talk) 14:01, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
Dave is no longer the co-host. Lundin has been filming with a new person since April, according to his facebook site. Isn't that reason enough? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Minty10200 ( talk • contribs) 21:42, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
The sources after the sentence about the reason Dave was 'fired' do not mention this at all. Why is this on here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.192.207.67 ( talk) 15:55, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
Canterbury's own 2008 bio makes military claims that are not true. This bio also states, in his own words, that he worked full time at an auto plant in Ohio. Clearly one does not have 20 years of experience teaching survival when they are a factory worker. Lundin's bio, for those who think, says it all about dishonesty regarding Canterbury. POWnetwork.org specializes in exposing phonies. They have Dave listed. If these aren't reliable sources, what is?? Wicki should not be used to censor the truth. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Minty10200 ( talk • contribs) 21:34, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
Journal Scholar, here is what the POWnetwork has stated about Dave, "He was let go from the show after the claims and actual records came to light." In other words, he was fired for misrepresenting his military background, (and civilian), which you continue to dispute as well after seeing Dave's own bio. In this bio Dave claims to be Airborne, etc, not just a Ranger. Why didn't you add these other lies to his page? Why did you cherry pick what the POWnetowrk said and ignore that fact that they said he was "let go" i.e. fired? Daves "business" as he stated on his 2008 bio was selling archery equipment online, thus his old email address wildernessoutfittersarchery@yahoo.com. He did not teach survival, even then. Working at an auto plant full time and selling bow and arrows on a web site does not give someone 20 years of survival skills experience. All are different fields. Lundin has the proven decades of experience, Canterbury does not. Canterbury also claimed to leave the show himself for family and business reasons in April, when he was really fired in September. Please do your homework and quit censoring the Dual Survival page! That said, I think you have added great professionalism to Lundins and Canterburys page. Sincerely, Minty10200. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Minty10200 ( talk • contribs) 17:45, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
POW is not a reliable source for info that is non military?? Really, says who, you? What is your proof? Or is it simply your opinion, and as you have told me many times, opinions are not acceptable according to Wickipedia standards. One more time Canterbury fan, POWnetwork ONLY takes FIRST HAND information in WRITING. I have told you to check this out, instead, you simply vandal the page based on your opinion. Unacceptable. Canterbury was "let go" for lying. Quit censoring the truth! Also, don't you wonder why when you added the false ranger thing to Daves page that it kept being "blanked"? Minty 10200 ( Minty10200 ( talk) 00:29, 15 August 2012 (UTC)).
I will report you for vandalism sir. I'm trying to save you some embarrassment. Give me an email or a phone number and I will have a first hand source contact you, consider that this source has shared this with others too. I will check this when i can for your contact info. ( Minty10200 ( talk) 00:45, 15 August 2012 (UTC))
This is interesting apparently Lundin wants something to be said on Wikipedia he is unwilling to say himself, http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cody-Lundin-Aboriginal-Living-Skills-School-LLC/124508247561387
These two commentators hit the nail on the head,
"I'm not sure what the point of this was. Was it to point out how Wikipedia is a poor academic source? Or was it another opportunity to take veiled shots at the former co-host? Because I'm still waiting to hear the actual story from the direct source without lame ass assertions and innuendo. But even those directly involved in events can't be a trusted source either."
"The thing is, Cody, the whole REASON wikipedia editors keep removing the facts related to you having a new cast member is that there is no reliable source for those facts. If you issued an official, public statement, whether here on Facebook or elsewhere, with your thoughts on it, they could link to that statement as a source, and the edits would then be allowed to remain by the editors of wikipedia. In fact, this entire little war of edits is occurring precisely because there has been so little in terms of official statements regarding the cast change. At least SOME of wikipedia's editors are in fact trying to maintain the objectivity of the site by only allowing statements which can be linked to a reliable source to be allowed on the site."
If Lundin is unwilling to say it then it is likely a legal issue with Discovery and even more of a reason to be careful about adding unsourced inuendo on Wikipedia in violation of WP:BLP. Cody can rest assured that as soon as a reliable source WP:RS says Dave was fired and for why it will be added. He can resolve this at any time by making an explicit statement to the press. -- JournalScholar ( talk) 02:48, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
I think this article needs to be protected, it is vandalized on a regular basis, unfortunately, I don't know the correct procedure to request protection. -- 79.181.196.229 ( talk) 15:35, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
I would like help in reporting the user Journal Scholar to whoever takes disputes regarding content on Wickipedia. I have looked at Journal Scholars history and the lions share of it is dealing with Dave Canterbury. I do not feel that a Dave canterbury fan should be dictating facts and suppressing the truth about the Canterbury firing as fully supported by POWnetwork.org. POWnetwork also has other lies that Canterbury told that are not being added to Canterburys page. Journal Scholar took great pains to cherry pick information from the POW page to add to Canterburys page. Why is this being allowed to happen, the censoring of the truth? ( Minty10200 ( talk) 22:46, 20 August 2012 (UTC))
Is Joseph Teti notable enough to have a standalone article? Wikipedia:BLP1E. StevePrutz ( talk) 18:51, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
Jogershok Per WP:SPS "Never use self-published sources as third-party sources about living people, even if the author is an expert, well-known professional researcher, or writer." These blogs are not reliable sources for information about Teti. Do not add them again. Gaijin42 ( talk) 18:36, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
These sources are not self published but contain the evidence from the records released from the Military Personal Center are authentic and evidence that this man is NEITHER a combat vet nor a retired Special Forces soldier. Joseph N Teti combat veteran GWOT poser Teti Resume Remove the word RETIRED, he is not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jogershok ( talk • contribs) 18:50, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
Then I will contact those sources for retraction. Jogershok ( talk) 19:04, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
But they are reliable sources according to your standards. Can you remove the word "retired" from his paragraph? Jogershok ( talk) 19:50, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
You credit the two newspaper articles which state he is a retired green beret as reliable sources but then say that their standards are lower than Wikipedia's. Can we have it both ways?
SSG Teti left A Company 5th Battalion 19th Special Forces Group (SFG) 25 DEC 01 without serving the required time in service or with a qualifying disability that would qualify him to be issued a retired military ID Card. Truth be told he knew his Special Forces (SF) team in A/5/19th SFG and the California National Guard (CANG) was on alert for deployment in OCT 2001 and chose, as was his right, to not reenlist in the CANG or with the 19th SFG. I served on active duty with the 7th SFG from 3 DEC 73 (when I earned my beret) until 9 DEC 81 when I left active duty. I am not retired Special Forces even though I am a LIFE member of the Special Forces Association. I had 10 years of service not 20 years as required to be issued a retired ID card and collect a pension upon discharge. National Guard and Reserve component service members must show credit for service based upon their regulations and are issued a retired ID card upon their discharge if they are qualified. National Guard and Reserve service members who complete a minimum of 20 "qualifying" years of service (creditable retirement years) become eligible for retired pay at age 60. [1] Jogershok ( talk) 22:40, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
Now the Army Times has weighed in on Teti's claims:
″Mary Schantag, who heads both the POW Network and FakeWarriors.org, has investigated some 5,000 contested claims of combat experience and valor medals. She contends that a contractor simply cannot earn the same status that a military member can.
'I don’t care if you’re a veteran of however many contracting scenarios,' she said. 'It does not make you a combat veteran.'
” [2] Jogershok ( talk) 16:54, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
An article in the Army Times states that The Special Forces Association stripped Joseph Teti of his membership and he is ineligible to rejoin the organization.
As stated in that article, “He’s an embarrassment to the Regiment, because of the falsehoods, lies and embellishments he’s used in association with his Special Forces qualifications,” says retired Army Sgt. Maj. George Davenport, a “life member” of the organization.
Among Teti’s lies, says Davenport, are claims that he was a graduate of the Special Forces Combat Diver and Special Forces Sniper courses.
“I personally checked with the Special Forces schools and he did not go to those courses. There is no record of him attending,” stated George Davenport, founder of the “Special Forces Poser Patrol” Facebook page, which added Teti to the group’s “Wall of Shame” Sept. 30 in the wake of the SFA’s decision. [3] Jogershok ( talk) 23:28, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
Facebook etc are not reliable. Army times is, but only for the things it directly says, and things that are opinions need to be following WP:ATTRIBUTEPOV and even derogatory facts should be attributed to the people asserting those facts. In particular, we should be saying something like "According to Davenport" not stuff in the wiki's voice Gaijin42 ( talk) 01:49, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
Please note that all of the most recent claims are from the Army Times or Military Times. The reference to Facebook is what was stated by the Army Times as to the bonafides of George Davenport. That same article quotes the President of the Special Forces Association, Jack Tobin, as the source of information regarding Teti's expulsion from the organization. [4]
In the wake of Cabala's severing their relationship with Joseph Teti, Casio watches is considering their options since the Special Forces Association has expelled him from their organization. Teti denies the allegations. Teti replaced David Canterbury, another Army veteran, who, after allegations surfaced that he had lied about some of his military qualifications, was fired from the program. [5] Jogershok ( talk) 01:12, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
References
I was considering removing it, but I wanted to pose that question here first. All of the information about the air dates and cast is already in the table above it, and the (seemingly out-of-place) information about Josh James can go elsewhere, namely the 'Format' section and/or the lead. TheTechnician27 ( talk) 09:29, 3 March 2019 (UTC)