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So, for the (I believe) 3rd time now, KHLRookie has reverted the image in the lead paragraph to this image of John Elway, with the caption, John Elway was the most successful-dual threat QB, appearing in 5 Super Bowls and holds the record of most rushing TDs by any quarterback in the finals. Although I originally favored this image of Michael Vick, I believe an image of Andy Dalton at TCU is the better option over the Elway image (and the Vick image). The caption I provided for the Dalton image is Quarterback Andy Dalton pictured running during a game
My reasoning behind why the Dalton image is more relevant for the lead article than the Elway image/caption:
Due to the consistent reverting of the Vick image and later the more compromising Dalton image, I suggest we have an official vote on which image should be the lead image of this article. While it would be more relevant to choose between Dalton or Elway, I don't see why we can't include other images in this vote. Soulbust ( talk) 04:23, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
Dalton isn't considered a dual threat, like Vick, Luck, Elway and the others. He's a short yardage TD hawk. Also not every picture has to be a b scrambling KHLrookie ( talk) 13:26, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
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I think we should have a better definition of which NFL quarterbacks should be mentioned as "current NFL quarterbacks considered to be dual-threat", as it has been up to debate. Too often, I've seen QBs such as Colin Kaepernick, Andy Dalton, Tyrod Taylor, Aaron Rodgers, and Andrew Luck get listed and removed repeatedly from the list, often to heated arguments and confrontations.
My understanding of this list is current or recent NFL starters who meet the criteria of a "dual-threat" quarterback and is active in the league. I believe the second paragraph mentions that they typically rush for over 300 yards per season. Hence, why I see Kaepernick (free agent) and Dalton (rushes for less than 300 yards per year on average) not making it on the list. We shouldn't let personal bias for or against a player add or remove them from the list.
I propose these conditions for a quarterback being this list:
Or we could simply use these conditions:
What do you guys think? — WuTang94( user talk) 19:45, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
@ Gonzo fan2007: and @ BubbaDaAmogus: Lamar image serves better (imo) in the section about the late 2010s, as Lamar is definitely considered one of if not the best dual-threat of that era. And in particular, the Mahomes images (seen in this revision) serve as good example images of a pass vs. a rush from the same QB. And they worked really well being from the same game, but the biggest factor in me placing those images was how high-quality the actual images are. The Lamar rushing image, for example, has some blurring, that the Mahomes images simply don't have. For this I'm strongly considering re-implementing them as the lede images. Again, the Lamar rush one also works really well later on in the body of the article. I currently have this article nominated for GA status though, so I'll probably just wait to see what the GA reviewer says.
Bubba, I am unsure of your logic calling Mahomes "one of the best of this time" and "a slightly above average QB" in the same comment, but the Mahomes image you replaced with the Josh Allen image was not placed there because anyone was "glazing" Mahomes. Would implore you to assume good faith, because in truth it just seems Gonzo switched out the Lamar image that was formerly used in the late 2010s section (now used in the lede) for the Mahomes image you replaced (see link to previous revision above).
This sort of arguing over which QB is better or whatever is exactly why I for a long time was cool with a Navy QB rushing being the lede image ( see this revision). But after noticing the high-quality images of Mahomes vs. Washington, I placed those images in the lede last February. Soulbust ( talk) 04:36, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
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Dual-threat quarterback is currently a football good article nominee. Nominated by Soulbust ( talk) at 23:30, 29 December 2023 (UTC) An editor has indicated a willingness to review the article in accordance with the good article criteria. Further reviews are welcome from any editor who has not contributed significantly to this article (or nominated it), and can be added to the review page, but the decision whether or not to list the article as a good article should be left to the first reviewer. Short description: Quarterback in gridiron football capable of running and passing effectively |
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So, for the (I believe) 3rd time now, KHLRookie has reverted the image in the lead paragraph to this image of John Elway, with the caption, John Elway was the most successful-dual threat QB, appearing in 5 Super Bowls and holds the record of most rushing TDs by any quarterback in the finals. Although I originally favored this image of Michael Vick, I believe an image of Andy Dalton at TCU is the better option over the Elway image (and the Vick image). The caption I provided for the Dalton image is Quarterback Andy Dalton pictured running during a game
My reasoning behind why the Dalton image is more relevant for the lead article than the Elway image/caption:
Due to the consistent reverting of the Vick image and later the more compromising Dalton image, I suggest we have an official vote on which image should be the lead image of this article. While it would be more relevant to choose between Dalton or Elway, I don't see why we can't include other images in this vote. Soulbust ( talk) 04:23, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
Dalton isn't considered a dual threat, like Vick, Luck, Elway and the others. He's a short yardage TD hawk. Also not every picture has to be a b scrambling KHLrookie ( talk) 13:26, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
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Cheers.— cyberbot II Talk to my owner:Online 06:09, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
I think we should have a better definition of which NFL quarterbacks should be mentioned as "current NFL quarterbacks considered to be dual-threat", as it has been up to debate. Too often, I've seen QBs such as Colin Kaepernick, Andy Dalton, Tyrod Taylor, Aaron Rodgers, and Andrew Luck get listed and removed repeatedly from the list, often to heated arguments and confrontations.
My understanding of this list is current or recent NFL starters who meet the criteria of a "dual-threat" quarterback and is active in the league. I believe the second paragraph mentions that they typically rush for over 300 yards per season. Hence, why I see Kaepernick (free agent) and Dalton (rushes for less than 300 yards per year on average) not making it on the list. We shouldn't let personal bias for or against a player add or remove them from the list.
I propose these conditions for a quarterback being this list:
Or we could simply use these conditions:
What do you guys think? — WuTang94( user talk) 19:45, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
@ Gonzo fan2007: and @ BubbaDaAmogus: Lamar image serves better (imo) in the section about the late 2010s, as Lamar is definitely considered one of if not the best dual-threat of that era. And in particular, the Mahomes images (seen in this revision) serve as good example images of a pass vs. a rush from the same QB. And they worked really well being from the same game, but the biggest factor in me placing those images was how high-quality the actual images are. The Lamar rushing image, for example, has some blurring, that the Mahomes images simply don't have. For this I'm strongly considering re-implementing them as the lede images. Again, the Lamar rush one also works really well later on in the body of the article. I currently have this article nominated for GA status though, so I'll probably just wait to see what the GA reviewer says.
Bubba, I am unsure of your logic calling Mahomes "one of the best of this time" and "a slightly above average QB" in the same comment, but the Mahomes image you replaced with the Josh Allen image was not placed there because anyone was "glazing" Mahomes. Would implore you to assume good faith, because in truth it just seems Gonzo switched out the Lamar image that was formerly used in the late 2010s section (now used in the lede) for the Mahomes image you replaced (see link to previous revision above).
This sort of arguing over which QB is better or whatever is exactly why I for a long time was cool with a Navy QB rushing being the lede image ( see this revision). But after noticing the high-quality images of Mahomes vs. Washington, I placed those images in the lede last February. Soulbust ( talk) 04:36, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
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July GA backlog drive. It should take me no longer than a week.
Kimikel (
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03:32, 20 July 2024 (UTC)