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I have restored the referencing format used by Gerda Arendt, the article's creator and sole contributor of the content and all but one of references. The later reversion of her formatting citing WP:CITEVAR was not remotely supported by the contents of that page which refers to the formatting and layout of the individual reference content. There is absolutely no way in which Gerda's formatting of her original references by using the List parameter of {{ Reflist}} changed the way the content of each reference was laid out in the original version, not did it switch between referencing styles nor did change the style and layout of the one reference added by another contributor. In addition to that, it is, in my view, a preferable way to format and greatly facilitates any future changes to the text. Voceditenore ( talk) 13:36, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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Nominator: Gerda Arendt ( talk · contribs) 21:38, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
Reviewer: MyCatIsAChonk ( talk · contribs) 21:37, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
Will review
MyCatIsAChonk (
talk) (
not me) (
also not me) (
still no)
21:37, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
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The prescribed readings for that Sunday were from the First Epistle of Peter, Christ as a model- with christ as a model? What's he being the model of?
The writer of the cantata text is unknown. He found- its likely that a man wrote the libretto, but should a male pronoun still be used? "The librettist" or just "they" would be more neutral
In the second recitative, he deduced- I'm not sure deduced is the right word here. He figured it out? Perhaps "included" or "wrote"
"for faith's reward after a gentle sleep of death" (John 10:11–16, des Glaubens Lohn nach einem sanften Todesschlafe)- could be my lack of liturgical knowledge, but why is there german in the parentheses? Is this referring to a section or is it quoted text? If the latter, put quote marks
The duration is given as 23 minutes- given by whom?
Bach used similar means in his Christmas Oratorio in the Sinfonia- and in the sinfonia?
The phrase is derived from Romans 8:15 ("ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father") and Galatians 4:6 (And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.)- why quote marks for Romans but not for Galatians?
Not sure yet. I'd really like the Bach Digital first as the basic info. In articles with more sources, those by authors are grouped in books, journals, web (compare 227) - but this no FA ;) -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 08:26, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
I don't know. I found articles such as BWV 1 in 2010. The recordings played a large role. I reduced bold face and repetition of vocal parts. When I began BWV 104, I followed the example. Among the criteria may have been
In larger articles, we have come to split the recordings to a discography article, but I feel this is too short. I can look if other recordings would also deserve to be included. In those larger articles, we have a section explaining the complete recordings, historically informed practice etc, but I feel to repeat it here would be excessive. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 08:57, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
I changed the Werner recording to his second, for which we have a review, and the Netherlands Bach Society one that was under external links so far (recorded 2018, released 2020.) -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 10:34, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
![]() | Du Hirte Israel, höre, BWV 104 has been listed as one of the
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please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can
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![]() | A fact from Du Hirte Israel, höre, BWV 104 appeared on Wikipedia's
Main Page in the
Did you know column on 8 May 2011 (
check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
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I have restored the referencing format used by Gerda Arendt, the article's creator and sole contributor of the content and all but one of references. The later reversion of her formatting citing WP:CITEVAR was not remotely supported by the contents of that page which refers to the formatting and layout of the individual reference content. There is absolutely no way in which Gerda's formatting of her original references by using the List parameter of {{ Reflist}} changed the way the content of each reference was laid out in the original version, not did it switch between referencing styles nor did change the style and layout of the one reference added by another contributor. In addition to that, it is, in my view, a preferable way to format and greatly facilitates any future changes to the text. Voceditenore ( talk) 13:36, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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Nominator: Gerda Arendt ( talk · contribs) 21:38, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
Reviewer: MyCatIsAChonk ( talk · contribs) 21:37, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
Will review
MyCatIsAChonk (
talk) (
not me) (
also not me) (
still no)
21:37, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
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1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct. |
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1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation. |
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2. Verifiable with no original research, as shown by a source spot-check: | ||
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2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline. | Prose is well-cited |
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2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose). |
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2c. it contains no original research. | No OR concerns |
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2d. it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism. | Earwig shows low scores- any tags are for words from the piece or quotes in the article |
3. Broad in its coverage: | ||
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3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic. | |
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3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style). | |
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4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each. | No neutrality concerns |
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5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute. | |
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6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content. | Image is PD-Art tagged |
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7. Overall assessment. |
The prescribed readings for that Sunday were from the First Epistle of Peter, Christ as a model- with christ as a model? What's he being the model of?
The writer of the cantata text is unknown. He found- its likely that a man wrote the libretto, but should a male pronoun still be used? "The librettist" or just "they" would be more neutral
In the second recitative, he deduced- I'm not sure deduced is the right word here. He figured it out? Perhaps "included" or "wrote"
"for faith's reward after a gentle sleep of death" (John 10:11–16, des Glaubens Lohn nach einem sanften Todesschlafe)- could be my lack of liturgical knowledge, but why is there german in the parentheses? Is this referring to a section or is it quoted text? If the latter, put quote marks
The duration is given as 23 minutes- given by whom?
Bach used similar means in his Christmas Oratorio in the Sinfonia- and in the sinfonia?
The phrase is derived from Romans 8:15 ("ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father") and Galatians 4:6 (And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.)- why quote marks for Romans but not for Galatians?
Not sure yet. I'd really like the Bach Digital first as the basic info. In articles with more sources, those by authors are grouped in books, journals, web (compare 227) - but this no FA ;) -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 08:26, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
I don't know. I found articles such as BWV 1 in 2010. The recordings played a large role. I reduced bold face and repetition of vocal parts. When I began BWV 104, I followed the example. Among the criteria may have been
In larger articles, we have come to split the recordings to a discography article, but I feel this is too short. I can look if other recordings would also deserve to be included. In those larger articles, we have a section explaining the complete recordings, historically informed practice etc, but I feel to repeat it here would be excessive. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 08:57, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
I changed the Werner recording to his second, for which we have a review, and the Netherlands Bach Society one that was under external links so far (recorded 2018, released 2020.) -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 10:34, 13 April 2024 (UTC)