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At the beginning of this article this can be read: (Greek δροσος, drosos, "dew", + φιλα phila, "loving"). Actually, φιλα doesn't exist in classic Greek with that meaning. When creating scientific names, Greek roots are modified into Latin spellings and, sometimes, Latin morphemes (-a is a femenine suffix). The most similar word should be φίλη (phílē, which means "a female friend" or "beloved", not "loving"); -phila is just a scientific creation from the verb φιλέω, philéō, "to love" + the Latin femenine suffix -a. - Piolinfax 13:25, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)
This article should be merged with Drosophila melanogaster. -- 24.14.254.14 02:34, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC) magefile
Much of the information in this article was added on 25 Nov 2003 by user:Hopetocome (who seems to since have left Wikipedia); see [1]. A very strange edit [2] by user:Quyenphung on 17 May 2004 added quotes around a number of Hopetocome's statements and added references. I strongly suspect these references to be bogus: unless Quyenphung and Hopetocome are the same person, how would Quyenphung know the exact sources for the quoted statements? Furthermore, some of the claimed quotes are even non-grammatical.
If anyone has access to any of the cited sources, I would appreciate it if they could check the veracity of the claimed quotes. AxelBoldt 04:37, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I think this page needs a serious overhaul.
First of all, I think it is wise to make a clear separation between the genus and the various species, and the first line should indicate that D. melanogaster is a different page.
Secondly, the genus is highly paraphyletic, and taxonomic changes are expected. In this line, it should be better integrated with the higner levels ((sub-)family) as well as the subdivision in the genus (subgenera Sophophora, Drosophila and Idiomyia (next to 6 smaller genera) and lower levels). Cureently, there is no good published phylogeny, but a review of an article has been submitted that sums the current status of the genus. In that line, the list of species should be removed and replaced with a link to Taxodros, as that is the best and most complete overview of all species. A seperate section can be made for those species that do have a seperate page on wiki. Else, we could just dump all species on the list, but the taxonomic changes in the genus are pretty frequent, so that requires a lot of maintenance.
There is a tremendous amount of information on this genus available, but the current status is just a poor representation. I would opt for seperate headers for general information about morphology, ecology, physiology, behavviour, etc etc etc in so far it is genus level information, not melanogaster. -- KimvdLinde 02:26, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
This quote is valid for Drosophila melanogaster, not the genus: "The fruit fly, is a cosmopolitan holometabolous insect, that is found in all warm countries, while in cooler regions, it is established by migrants during the summer or can over winter in warm places." (Weigmann, 2003) I will move it. -- KimvdLinde 01:14, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
I added some clarification on the Idiomyia issue. The classification of Hawaiian species under this name was never accepted, but got propagated mainly through databases that include whatever is published. Since the original change was made in a major monograph and the article correcting and undoing it was a short note, many sites still have Idiomyia. We shouldn't be propogating its use as if there is debate about which classification is correct. It's a little long for a footnote, but when I get around to writing a separate page on Hawaiian Drosophilidae I'll move it there.
KarlM 21:55, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
Okay, let's look at this quantitatively. Since Grimaldi's classification of the Hawaiian species in Idiomyia in 1990:
number of Hawaiian drosophilid papers using Drosophila: ~60
number of papers mentioning Idiomyia at all: 2
number of those papers endorsing that classification: 0
number of Hawaiian species described under Drosophila: 33
number of Hawaiian species described under Idiomyia: 0
That sounds like a consensus to me. Certainly not widely accepted. Until you publish your paper, it hardly merits a footnote as an oddity. This is not the place for pushing pet theories. KarlM 06:02, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
How come we have it as Musca funebris, even though it's a redirect to Drosophilia funebris? Why are we not allowed to change it?-- Mr Fink 05:52, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
I moved two of the three new pictures over to Drosophila melanogaster, since they're pretty much specific to it. It's worth having one demonstrating eye mutants, since that's mentioned in the article, but it's really about the genus as a whole. KarlM 07:21, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
I’d like to submit to you a video of a ‘fruitfly’ That resembles some of yours yet is totally different - please contact me on mjm.r.wootton@live.co.uk Riekie Wootton ( talk) 21:58, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
I’d like to submit to you a video of a ‘fruitfly’ That resembles some of yours yet is totally different - please contact me on mjm.r.wootton@live.co.uk Riekie Wootton ( talk) 22:16, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
I changed the first reference (bifurca = 6 cm sperm), and added another ref for "few giant sperm..." Flyguy649 talk contribs 06:22, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
Anybody know why the thumbnail for the eye color picture isn't showing up in the page? If you click on the link the full picture displays fine, and it's encoded the same as it's always been, so I don't understand why it's not working. KarlM 22:25, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
The term "picked-fruit flies" comes up with only about 15 hits in Google, several of which are just mirrors of this article. Unless someone can find other evidence that it's actually common (in English; perhaps it's a translation of common usage somewhere else?), it should be left out. I've certainly never heard it. KarlM ( talk) 17:32, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
I've tweaked the taxobox, mostly using the trimmed version but with some modifications. I work on Drosophila and IMO these are the taxonomically relevant ranks. Below subfamily the ranks and mostly unused and will likely be changed around in the near future anyway; between Insecta and Drosophilidae the ranks are not particularly important for the discussion of the genus (I think they are appropriate on the Drosophilidae page). If you have serious issues with it, let's hash out the reasoning here first and settle on a consensus. KarlM ( talk) 17:54, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
"Taxoboxes should include all major ranks above the taxon described in the article, plus minor ranks that are important to understanding the classification of the taxon described in the article, or which are discussed in the article. Other minor ranks should be omitted." — WP:TX -- Stemonitis ( talk) 18:40, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
I would like to encourage articles on other species of importance to studies of evolution in wild populations. For many years Theodosius Dobzhansky and his co-workers collected, bred and studied Drosophila persimilis from wild populations in California and elsewhere; Drosophila robusta, Drosophila ananassae, Drosophila burchii, Drosophila melanica, Drosophila miranda, Drosophila prosaltans, Drosophila serrata, Drosophila virilis, Drosophila willistoni, Drosophila paulistorum, Drosophila artificialis, Drosophila prosaltans have all made appearances in the evolutionary literature (see Dobzhansky T. 1970. Genetics of the evolutionary process. Columbia, N.Y.). From this perspective I would think an article on D. persimilis to be essential, and others, especially D. miranda and D. willistoni, highly desirable. Macdonald-ross ( talk) 19:03, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
Should we erect a new article to list all of the species?-- Mr Fink ( talk) 12:53, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
I think it would be far better to provide the subdivision of the genus, which is subgenera, and species groups, and prosition the species in each of the species groups, which is reasonably doable. -- Kim van der Linde at venus 16:26, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
I would thank for linking here a past- homonymy with the Fungal Genus. RIT RAJARSHI ( talk) 11:35, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
A very similar case is there with Acetabularia. Here I link it. /info/en/?search=Talk:Acetabularia#Exist_homonymy_with_a_fungal_Genus
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I'm not saying that I care too much about it, but I was mystified a bit when user:Leschnei removed the link in the "See also" section regarding the adage about attracting more flies with honey than vinegar - Drosophila flies are also known as "vinegar flies"... get it? Sure it doesn't contribute direct information about the Drosophila, but it arguably does make the page more interesting and adds humor. Aren't you also trying to get people interested in the topics you're writing about? The link was inspired by the main French Wikipedia home page in their "Did you know" section about Drosophila... Smellyshirt5 ( talk) 22:53, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
The section on 'use in genetic research' seems to imply that Drosophila is especially closely related to humans. Surely it isn't, at least when compared with any vertebrate species, e.g. mice or monkeys. Presumably what is really meant is that many Drosophila genes are similar enough to human genes for evolutionary homologies to be identified, but the same would be true of many other organisms. If I remember the history rightly, Drosophila originally became popular in genetics research for practical reasons: they reproduce quickly and in large numbers, they are cheap and easy to keep, and they show a number of visibly identifiable mutations, which made them good subjects for early 'Mendelian' genetics. Then it turned out that they also have 'giant' chromosomes in some of their cells, which makes them easy to examine under a microscope. 2A00:23C8:7906:1301:2027:569B:16F4:269D ( talk) 16:24, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
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At the beginning of this article this can be read: (Greek δροσος, drosos, "dew", + φιλα phila, "loving"). Actually, φιλα doesn't exist in classic Greek with that meaning. When creating scientific names, Greek roots are modified into Latin spellings and, sometimes, Latin morphemes (-a is a femenine suffix). The most similar word should be φίλη (phílē, which means "a female friend" or "beloved", not "loving"); -phila is just a scientific creation from the verb φιλέω, philéō, "to love" + the Latin femenine suffix -a. - Piolinfax 13:25, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)
This article should be merged with Drosophila melanogaster. -- 24.14.254.14 02:34, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC) magefile
Much of the information in this article was added on 25 Nov 2003 by user:Hopetocome (who seems to since have left Wikipedia); see [1]. A very strange edit [2] by user:Quyenphung on 17 May 2004 added quotes around a number of Hopetocome's statements and added references. I strongly suspect these references to be bogus: unless Quyenphung and Hopetocome are the same person, how would Quyenphung know the exact sources for the quoted statements? Furthermore, some of the claimed quotes are even non-grammatical.
If anyone has access to any of the cited sources, I would appreciate it if they could check the veracity of the claimed quotes. AxelBoldt 04:37, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I think this page needs a serious overhaul.
First of all, I think it is wise to make a clear separation between the genus and the various species, and the first line should indicate that D. melanogaster is a different page.
Secondly, the genus is highly paraphyletic, and taxonomic changes are expected. In this line, it should be better integrated with the higner levels ((sub-)family) as well as the subdivision in the genus (subgenera Sophophora, Drosophila and Idiomyia (next to 6 smaller genera) and lower levels). Cureently, there is no good published phylogeny, but a review of an article has been submitted that sums the current status of the genus. In that line, the list of species should be removed and replaced with a link to Taxodros, as that is the best and most complete overview of all species. A seperate section can be made for those species that do have a seperate page on wiki. Else, we could just dump all species on the list, but the taxonomic changes in the genus are pretty frequent, so that requires a lot of maintenance.
There is a tremendous amount of information on this genus available, but the current status is just a poor representation. I would opt for seperate headers for general information about morphology, ecology, physiology, behavviour, etc etc etc in so far it is genus level information, not melanogaster. -- KimvdLinde 02:26, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
This quote is valid for Drosophila melanogaster, not the genus: "The fruit fly, is a cosmopolitan holometabolous insect, that is found in all warm countries, while in cooler regions, it is established by migrants during the summer or can over winter in warm places." (Weigmann, 2003) I will move it. -- KimvdLinde 01:14, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
I added some clarification on the Idiomyia issue. The classification of Hawaiian species under this name was never accepted, but got propagated mainly through databases that include whatever is published. Since the original change was made in a major monograph and the article correcting and undoing it was a short note, many sites still have Idiomyia. We shouldn't be propogating its use as if there is debate about which classification is correct. It's a little long for a footnote, but when I get around to writing a separate page on Hawaiian Drosophilidae I'll move it there.
KarlM 21:55, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
Okay, let's look at this quantitatively. Since Grimaldi's classification of the Hawaiian species in Idiomyia in 1990:
number of Hawaiian drosophilid papers using Drosophila: ~60
number of papers mentioning Idiomyia at all: 2
number of those papers endorsing that classification: 0
number of Hawaiian species described under Drosophila: 33
number of Hawaiian species described under Idiomyia: 0
That sounds like a consensus to me. Certainly not widely accepted. Until you publish your paper, it hardly merits a footnote as an oddity. This is not the place for pushing pet theories. KarlM 06:02, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
How come we have it as Musca funebris, even though it's a redirect to Drosophilia funebris? Why are we not allowed to change it?-- Mr Fink 05:52, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
I moved two of the three new pictures over to Drosophila melanogaster, since they're pretty much specific to it. It's worth having one demonstrating eye mutants, since that's mentioned in the article, but it's really about the genus as a whole. KarlM 07:21, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
I’d like to submit to you a video of a ‘fruitfly’ That resembles some of yours yet is totally different - please contact me on mjm.r.wootton@live.co.uk Riekie Wootton ( talk) 21:58, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
I’d like to submit to you a video of a ‘fruitfly’ That resembles some of yours yet is totally different - please contact me on mjm.r.wootton@live.co.uk Riekie Wootton ( talk) 22:16, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
I changed the first reference (bifurca = 6 cm sperm), and added another ref for "few giant sperm..." Flyguy649 talk contribs 06:22, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
Anybody know why the thumbnail for the eye color picture isn't showing up in the page? If you click on the link the full picture displays fine, and it's encoded the same as it's always been, so I don't understand why it's not working. KarlM 22:25, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
The term "picked-fruit flies" comes up with only about 15 hits in Google, several of which are just mirrors of this article. Unless someone can find other evidence that it's actually common (in English; perhaps it's a translation of common usage somewhere else?), it should be left out. I've certainly never heard it. KarlM ( talk) 17:32, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
I've tweaked the taxobox, mostly using the trimmed version but with some modifications. I work on Drosophila and IMO these are the taxonomically relevant ranks. Below subfamily the ranks and mostly unused and will likely be changed around in the near future anyway; between Insecta and Drosophilidae the ranks are not particularly important for the discussion of the genus (I think they are appropriate on the Drosophilidae page). If you have serious issues with it, let's hash out the reasoning here first and settle on a consensus. KarlM ( talk) 17:54, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
"Taxoboxes should include all major ranks above the taxon described in the article, plus minor ranks that are important to understanding the classification of the taxon described in the article, or which are discussed in the article. Other minor ranks should be omitted." — WP:TX -- Stemonitis ( talk) 18:40, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
I would like to encourage articles on other species of importance to studies of evolution in wild populations. For many years Theodosius Dobzhansky and his co-workers collected, bred and studied Drosophila persimilis from wild populations in California and elsewhere; Drosophila robusta, Drosophila ananassae, Drosophila burchii, Drosophila melanica, Drosophila miranda, Drosophila prosaltans, Drosophila serrata, Drosophila virilis, Drosophila willistoni, Drosophila paulistorum, Drosophila artificialis, Drosophila prosaltans have all made appearances in the evolutionary literature (see Dobzhansky T. 1970. Genetics of the evolutionary process. Columbia, N.Y.). From this perspective I would think an article on D. persimilis to be essential, and others, especially D. miranda and D. willistoni, highly desirable. Macdonald-ross ( talk) 19:03, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
Should we erect a new article to list all of the species?-- Mr Fink ( talk) 12:53, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
I think it would be far better to provide the subdivision of the genus, which is subgenera, and species groups, and prosition the species in each of the species groups, which is reasonably doable. -- Kim van der Linde at venus 16:26, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
I would thank for linking here a past- homonymy with the Fungal Genus. RIT RAJARSHI ( talk) 11:35, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
A very similar case is there with Acetabularia. Here I link it. /info/en/?search=Talk:Acetabularia#Exist_homonymy_with_a_fungal_Genus
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I'm not saying that I care too much about it, but I was mystified a bit when user:Leschnei removed the link in the "See also" section regarding the adage about attracting more flies with honey than vinegar - Drosophila flies are also known as "vinegar flies"... get it? Sure it doesn't contribute direct information about the Drosophila, but it arguably does make the page more interesting and adds humor. Aren't you also trying to get people interested in the topics you're writing about? The link was inspired by the main French Wikipedia home page in their "Did you know" section about Drosophila... Smellyshirt5 ( talk) 22:53, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
The section on 'use in genetic research' seems to imply that Drosophila is especially closely related to humans. Surely it isn't, at least when compared with any vertebrate species, e.g. mice or monkeys. Presumably what is really meant is that many Drosophila genes are similar enough to human genes for evolutionary homologies to be identified, but the same would be true of many other organisms. If I remember the history rightly, Drosophila originally became popular in genetics research for practical reasons: they reproduce quickly and in large numbers, they are cheap and easy to keep, and they show a number of visibly identifiable mutations, which made them good subjects for early 'Mendelian' genetics. Then it turned out that they also have 'giant' chromosomes in some of their cells, which makes them easy to examine under a microscope. 2A00:23C8:7906:1301:2027:569B:16F4:269D ( talk) 16:24, 9 March 2021 (UTC)