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Part of the text inserted by this tag reads, "Primary sources and sources affiliated with the subject of this article generally are not sufficient for a Wikipedia article."
The word "generally" is crucial here. I agree that this article takes a lot of information from a first-party source which describes the software in question. How can we rely on this source? Because this same source distributes the dropbear source code, and the assertions can be verified easily by anyone skilled in the art by reading this source code.
Since the source code is the item, as opposed to merely a description, I frankly think this primary source proves its point. I would add, parenthetically, that I use dropbear and it appears to do what is stated on this page. If the statements in this article could be contested, or if they appeared to be advertising, we could take these points up. Marc W. Abel ( talk) 04:31, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
I definitely misunderstood your tag, so I am glad we are having this conversation. I thought you were challenging the accuracy and independence of the sources, not the notability of the subject. In that department, I think folks have become very permissive concerning software notability. (I also think there are a lot of developers writing pages for their own products.)
But back to the substance of what I think you are saying, I can make the case for notability and add suitable references. Dropbear is included in the OpenWRT distribution, and others, in lieu of or in addition to OpenSSH. This in itself is notable, but it's also linked from the BusyBox website. This doesn't make Dropbear a household name in the sense of Richard, Linus, and Bill, but it's head and shoulders above a lot of rubbish we see cataloged here. Marc W. Abel ( talk) 14:22, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
It's been 4 years since this has been addressed. The article hasn't been deleted, dropbear is clearly notable, there are references beyond the primary source. If you still think this isn't notable, nominate it for deletion and see how many people disagree with you. These notability references should not persist forever. -- ssd ( talk) 13:14, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
I just updated the link to the subject page in the External links section, but I can't do the corresponding update in the References section ("{{References}}" is the only source I see when I try to edit that). The update is badly needed, for the sake of consistency, since:
The present page refers to Dropbear version 0.53, so the update is highly recommendable. Pipposcollo ( talk) 12:34, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
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Part of the text inserted by this tag reads, "Primary sources and sources affiliated with the subject of this article generally are not sufficient for a Wikipedia article."
The word "generally" is crucial here. I agree that this article takes a lot of information from a first-party source which describes the software in question. How can we rely on this source? Because this same source distributes the dropbear source code, and the assertions can be verified easily by anyone skilled in the art by reading this source code.
Since the source code is the item, as opposed to merely a description, I frankly think this primary source proves its point. I would add, parenthetically, that I use dropbear and it appears to do what is stated on this page. If the statements in this article could be contested, or if they appeared to be advertising, we could take these points up. Marc W. Abel ( talk) 04:31, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
I definitely misunderstood your tag, so I am glad we are having this conversation. I thought you were challenging the accuracy and independence of the sources, not the notability of the subject. In that department, I think folks have become very permissive concerning software notability. (I also think there are a lot of developers writing pages for their own products.)
But back to the substance of what I think you are saying, I can make the case for notability and add suitable references. Dropbear is included in the OpenWRT distribution, and others, in lieu of or in addition to OpenSSH. This in itself is notable, but it's also linked from the BusyBox website. This doesn't make Dropbear a household name in the sense of Richard, Linus, and Bill, but it's head and shoulders above a lot of rubbish we see cataloged here. Marc W. Abel ( talk) 14:22, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
It's been 4 years since this has been addressed. The article hasn't been deleted, dropbear is clearly notable, there are references beyond the primary source. If you still think this isn't notable, nominate it for deletion and see how many people disagree with you. These notability references should not persist forever. -- ssd ( talk) 13:14, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
I just updated the link to the subject page in the External links section, but I can't do the corresponding update in the References section ("{{References}}" is the only source I see when I try to edit that). The update is badly needed, for the sake of consistency, since:
The present page refers to Dropbear version 0.53, so the update is highly recommendable. Pipposcollo ( talk) 12:34, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
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