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I noticed the other day that someone had edited this article when perusing the "recent changes" log. Upon clicking the link and seeing the article, my first thought was that it needed a major rewrite. I took one class at Drew a few years back, so if any Drew alumni or students find mistakes, what can I say?
I look forward to any comments on the rewritten article. -- ExplorerCDT 19:02, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)
P.S. -- Someone please either point me to a reference listing notable Drew alumni or faculty. Searching through the University website and online, I can't find any such resource. I don't want to ask are there any? Also need a copy of the university seal-- the complex coat of arms. -- ExplorerCDT 19:04, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Congratulations to the person or persons responsible for how wonderful this article was. I thought it was very well done at first, but when I perused the articles of the other colleges I'm considering I discovered that my initial assessment was an understatement. I'm planning on applying early decision to Drew; wish me luck! -- 68.239.165.151 07:13, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
Shouldn't this ('Freely have you received, freely give —Matthew 10:8')="hiddenStructure" go into the body of the article or at the bottom instead of above the title sentence.-- Dakota ~ ° 00:47, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
Should there be a huge sports template on the main page? Maybe this is more appropriate under a subpage of what intercollegic sports are available at Drew. (Bear in mind, I was a Drew fencer in my time...) RsrchBoy 03:47, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
Are we certain Andrea McArdle went to Drew? I never heard of such a thing in my time there and I'm not sure her career is even open for four years of college. Aileen Quinn was definitely at Drew, however. Mrw1975 06:08, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
These have been moved here from a subpage as part of a cleanup process. See Wikipedia:Discontinuation of comments subpages.
I have assessed this article as C-class and identified the following areas for improvement:
shirulashem (talk) 01:15, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
Who deleted Robert M. Price from the notable alumni list? I swear I've posted his name at least twice, with a legitimate reference, and it's been deleted both times. I'm going to keep re-posting it, so don't delete it unless you first discuss it on the talk page! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.28.140.81 ( talk) 07:25, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
I deleted the section. If you wish to insert it, then we should discuss it first. 1. You should identify yourself. Making unsigned edits makes it look like you are bragging about yourself? 2. You source a website that is owned by Robert M. Price. This is directly against the spirit of WP:IRS which requires verifiable third party information. (i.e. You simply can't define Robert Price by citing Robert Price.) 3. You continually list this entry first in a section which is clearly alphabetized. "P" does not come first in the alphabet. 4. The section is for notable alumni. We should engage in a discussion on why Mr. Price is notable. If we list all Drew alums, we will crash Wikipedia. Revmqo ( talk) 09:02, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
I have inserted notations on entries which need citations/references in this section. For the record, only one entry is properly cited. I will remove those items which have not been properly sourced in the near future. Also, I welcome the discussion as to what makes a Drew alum "notable." Revmqo ( talk) 09:18, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
1. I don't see how someone could think I'm bragging about myself. The reason why I'm unsigned is precisely because I'm a nobody (I hardly ever edit Wikipedia anyway, so I'm not going to bother making an account). 2. I found a third-party reference. 3. I stupidly did not realize it was alphabetized, my mistake. 4. There are several reasons for considering Robert Price a notable alumni. He has authored more than a dozen books, appeared on several radio shows and podcasts (such as infidelguy.com and the Center for Inquiry podcast), engaged in numerous public debates with Christian apologists (such as William Lane Craig, Greg Boyd, and Phil Fernandez), and was a Fellow of the Jesus Seminar. He also appeared in Brian Flemming's 2005 documentary "The God Who Wasn't There." He is among the most knowledgeable and well known biblical scholars of our time. I think these are some pretty good reasons for considering somebody "notable." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.28.140.81 ( talk) 18:46, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
I notice that the sentence mentioning that the school has an unarmed public safety department was removed. Why was this charged? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dwainwr123 ( talk • contribs) 02:23, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
Because if you read there website, they are police.. Just unarmed.. Did you read there website.. I use to go to school there.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.97.92.174 ( talk) 08:01, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
I did look at the website, and I don't see anything saying that they are police. They don't carry guns, they don't attend the police academy, and they don't have police arrest powers (i.e., more than a citizens' power to arrest). Show me where they are called police. See link below. http://www.drew.edu/Safety/about-the-department Debbie W. 00:48, 22 September 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dwainwr123 ( talk • contribs)
There have recently been a number of edits, re-edits, and undos of the statement on crime and alcohol violations. There is a reference from the college's Department of Public Safety listing the number of reportable crimes and the number of alcohol, drug, and weapons violations. If newer data becomes available that contradicts the claim that Drew has a low rate of crime, but a high rate of alcohol violations, then I think we should change this sentence. Until then, this sentence should remain as-is. Debbie W. 22:52, 22 September 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dwainwr123 ( talk • contribs)
That's a valid question. I decided to look at the Wikipedia pages for other colleges, and some of them do mention this type of info, and some don't. The there are three links below, one that discusses Drew low crime rate (as well as all the crime, drug, alcohol, and weapons stats), one that says that there are excessive alcohol-related violations at Drew, and the last is from Rutgers' Wikipedia page, which likewise discusses police practices on campus.
http://www.drew.edu/Safety/statistics#Introduction http://www.njcvlc.org/reference/brief/download.php?id=49' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rutgers#Residential_life Debbie W. 00:59, 23 September 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dwainwr123 ( talk • contribs)
I merged the Drew alumni article back into this article. I'm not sure why we'd want a separate article for it. It's not that long, and my experience is that separate alumni articles are not properly maintained because they get less traffic. 71.125.70.37 ( talk) 18:32, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
If you look at the history, even the bot thought it was vandalism. Multiple RR edits from varying ip addresses??
Anyway, I think it is unnecessary and bulky. It also has a tendency to collect self-important people. As a result I moved it. I realize that this is only my opinion, but there should have been some discussion before unilaterally relocating months after the edit. Revmqo ( talk) 19:10, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
1. David B. Audretsch - all sources are either corrupt or are publications of the author. No creditable sources that he didn't produce. Against WP policy. 2. Albert Baez - the only source that isn't corrupt is an obit. Not sure that this meets the standard. 3. Holly Bakke - red link and the source says absolutely nothing about Drew University, and is suspect at best. 4. Clint Bolick - again sources are self published or suspect 5. Gary Braun - again self-published source
I don't really want to go further without discussing. So far I've gone through the first 8 names on the current list, and at least half are suspect and don't meet the requirements put forth in WP:PEOPLE. This isn't my opinion as you have suggested, but a fair estimate of what the WP policy says weighed against those listed. The facts simply don't back up the claims. If you keep going down the list, the problems continue. Let me know what you think! I realize that this is a matter of perspective, but WP is clear that you don't merit a WP page if you only have self-published sources. Revmqo ( talk) 02:48, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
Randomly selected another name lower on the list, Teresa Ruiz (politician), again all sources are her own website. This just doesn't cut it! I do admit there are quite a few legitimate posts thought! ! Revmqo ( talk) 02:52, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
Article on Neil Clarke (editor) has no sources as to bio, only awards. No source links him to Drew. Should I keep proving my point? Revmqo ( talk) 03:16, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
@ 71.251.33.239 you can't use the subjects own work as a source, at least not as the only source. It should be a reliable THIRD party. Revmqo ( talk) 03:24, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
I've restored Susan Morrison to the list and added a ref. I will get around to creating a page for her, just not tonight. Revmqo ( talk) 04:15, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
[EC] I believe you are wrong with the article you keep using as a source. It is a "meesage from the commissioner" and the subject is that commissioner. It fails to be a third party source. If she is the commissioner she has full control over what it says. It is not and cannot be objective. Revmqo ( talk) 05:01, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
Vanderbeek's article doesn't properly source Drew as his alma matter. I don't doubt the fact, but you can't use a blog as a source. Without a valid source, his inclusion is dubious. Revmqo ( talk) 05:38, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
I would move the Drew University Alumni List to List of Drew University people, then add all the faculty and presidents on that list as well.-- Nnnnkkkk ( talk) 10:32, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
I think that we should add more info on the Graduate and Theological Schools. I could be wrong, but I think that the Graduate program added several new degrees (e.g., M.A.T.) in the last decade. Additionally, there is minimal history listed for these schools. DavidinNJ ( talk) 11:55, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
Currently, notable Drew University alumni, faculty, and presidents are currently listed in multiple ways. On the Drew University page, faculty and presidents are listed. List of Drew University alumni lists notable alumni. List of Drew University people list alumni, faculty, and presidents in a consolidated list. The following proposals are being considered. DavidinNJ ( talk) 17:32, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
(1) Eliminate
list of Drew University people and
list of Drew University alumni, and have consolidated list of notable alumni, faculty, and presidents on the
Drew University page.
(2) Eliminate
list of Drew University people, list faculty and presidents on the
Drew University page, and keep alumni at
list of Drew University alumni.
(3) Eliminate
list of Drew University alumni, remove the faculty and presidents from the
Drew University page, and have consolidated list of notable alumni, faculty, and presidents at
list of Drew University people.
(4) Keep the status quo of faculty and presidents being listed on the
Drew University page, and having both
list of Drew University alumni and
list of Drew University people.
(5) Other -- please describe.
Aim to bring this article to GA and FA status by the close of the year, using the organization recommended by the Universities Wikiproject and other university/college articles that have achieved GA and FA status. Look forward to working with the article's contributors in making this happen. -- ColonelHenry ( talk) 14:29, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
Never seen a wiki page for a university without any indication of ranking. Please provide this info. 72.68.72.135 ( talk) 19:02, 21 September 2015 (UTC)R.E.D.
It appears that something has gone cringeworthily wrong. The infobox stretches across the entirety of the page. I'll see what I can do to fix it. Ergo Sum 02:44, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
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The article needs more sources and has been tagged accordingly. SunCrow ( talk) 23:21, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
One or more Drew University librarians have begun editing this article. I strongly recommend that they review our conflict-of-interest policies.
@ MsWillows3: I specifically request to know why you have begun an edit war to include a link to the university library's special collections website. Our policies and practices regarding external links are pretty clear in that we try to minimize the links we include in articles with the general idea being to include the most broad "official website" and not link to subpages of that website (with the assumption that official website already has links to all of its subpages). Can you please tell us why this specific link in this article should be an exception? ElKevbo ( talk) 16:09, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 |
I noticed the other day that someone had edited this article when perusing the "recent changes" log. Upon clicking the link and seeing the article, my first thought was that it needed a major rewrite. I took one class at Drew a few years back, so if any Drew alumni or students find mistakes, what can I say?
I look forward to any comments on the rewritten article. -- ExplorerCDT 19:02, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)
P.S. -- Someone please either point me to a reference listing notable Drew alumni or faculty. Searching through the University website and online, I can't find any such resource. I don't want to ask are there any? Also need a copy of the university seal-- the complex coat of arms. -- ExplorerCDT 19:04, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Congratulations to the person or persons responsible for how wonderful this article was. I thought it was very well done at first, but when I perused the articles of the other colleges I'm considering I discovered that my initial assessment was an understatement. I'm planning on applying early decision to Drew; wish me luck! -- 68.239.165.151 07:13, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
Shouldn't this ('Freely have you received, freely give —Matthew 10:8')="hiddenStructure" go into the body of the article or at the bottom instead of above the title sentence.-- Dakota ~ ° 00:47, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
Should there be a huge sports template on the main page? Maybe this is more appropriate under a subpage of what intercollegic sports are available at Drew. (Bear in mind, I was a Drew fencer in my time...) RsrchBoy 03:47, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
Are we certain Andrea McArdle went to Drew? I never heard of such a thing in my time there and I'm not sure her career is even open for four years of college. Aileen Quinn was definitely at Drew, however. Mrw1975 06:08, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
These have been moved here from a subpage as part of a cleanup process. See Wikipedia:Discontinuation of comments subpages.
I have assessed this article as C-class and identified the following areas for improvement:
shirulashem (talk) 01:15, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
Who deleted Robert M. Price from the notable alumni list? I swear I've posted his name at least twice, with a legitimate reference, and it's been deleted both times. I'm going to keep re-posting it, so don't delete it unless you first discuss it on the talk page! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.28.140.81 ( talk) 07:25, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
I deleted the section. If you wish to insert it, then we should discuss it first. 1. You should identify yourself. Making unsigned edits makes it look like you are bragging about yourself? 2. You source a website that is owned by Robert M. Price. This is directly against the spirit of WP:IRS which requires verifiable third party information. (i.e. You simply can't define Robert Price by citing Robert Price.) 3. You continually list this entry first in a section which is clearly alphabetized. "P" does not come first in the alphabet. 4. The section is for notable alumni. We should engage in a discussion on why Mr. Price is notable. If we list all Drew alums, we will crash Wikipedia. Revmqo ( talk) 09:02, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
I have inserted notations on entries which need citations/references in this section. For the record, only one entry is properly cited. I will remove those items which have not been properly sourced in the near future. Also, I welcome the discussion as to what makes a Drew alum "notable." Revmqo ( talk) 09:18, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
1. I don't see how someone could think I'm bragging about myself. The reason why I'm unsigned is precisely because I'm a nobody (I hardly ever edit Wikipedia anyway, so I'm not going to bother making an account). 2. I found a third-party reference. 3. I stupidly did not realize it was alphabetized, my mistake. 4. There are several reasons for considering Robert Price a notable alumni. He has authored more than a dozen books, appeared on several radio shows and podcasts (such as infidelguy.com and the Center for Inquiry podcast), engaged in numerous public debates with Christian apologists (such as William Lane Craig, Greg Boyd, and Phil Fernandez), and was a Fellow of the Jesus Seminar. He also appeared in Brian Flemming's 2005 documentary "The God Who Wasn't There." He is among the most knowledgeable and well known biblical scholars of our time. I think these are some pretty good reasons for considering somebody "notable." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.28.140.81 ( talk) 18:46, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
I notice that the sentence mentioning that the school has an unarmed public safety department was removed. Why was this charged? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dwainwr123 ( talk • contribs) 02:23, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
Because if you read there website, they are police.. Just unarmed.. Did you read there website.. I use to go to school there.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.97.92.174 ( talk) 08:01, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
I did look at the website, and I don't see anything saying that they are police. They don't carry guns, they don't attend the police academy, and they don't have police arrest powers (i.e., more than a citizens' power to arrest). Show me where they are called police. See link below. http://www.drew.edu/Safety/about-the-department Debbie W. 00:48, 22 September 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dwainwr123 ( talk • contribs)
There have recently been a number of edits, re-edits, and undos of the statement on crime and alcohol violations. There is a reference from the college's Department of Public Safety listing the number of reportable crimes and the number of alcohol, drug, and weapons violations. If newer data becomes available that contradicts the claim that Drew has a low rate of crime, but a high rate of alcohol violations, then I think we should change this sentence. Until then, this sentence should remain as-is. Debbie W. 22:52, 22 September 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dwainwr123 ( talk • contribs)
That's a valid question. I decided to look at the Wikipedia pages for other colleges, and some of them do mention this type of info, and some don't. The there are three links below, one that discusses Drew low crime rate (as well as all the crime, drug, alcohol, and weapons stats), one that says that there are excessive alcohol-related violations at Drew, and the last is from Rutgers' Wikipedia page, which likewise discusses police practices on campus.
http://www.drew.edu/Safety/statistics#Introduction http://www.njcvlc.org/reference/brief/download.php?id=49' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rutgers#Residential_life Debbie W. 00:59, 23 September 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dwainwr123 ( talk • contribs)
I merged the Drew alumni article back into this article. I'm not sure why we'd want a separate article for it. It's not that long, and my experience is that separate alumni articles are not properly maintained because they get less traffic. 71.125.70.37 ( talk) 18:32, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
If you look at the history, even the bot thought it was vandalism. Multiple RR edits from varying ip addresses??
Anyway, I think it is unnecessary and bulky. It also has a tendency to collect self-important people. As a result I moved it. I realize that this is only my opinion, but there should have been some discussion before unilaterally relocating months after the edit. Revmqo ( talk) 19:10, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
1. David B. Audretsch - all sources are either corrupt or are publications of the author. No creditable sources that he didn't produce. Against WP policy. 2. Albert Baez - the only source that isn't corrupt is an obit. Not sure that this meets the standard. 3. Holly Bakke - red link and the source says absolutely nothing about Drew University, and is suspect at best. 4. Clint Bolick - again sources are self published or suspect 5. Gary Braun - again self-published source
I don't really want to go further without discussing. So far I've gone through the first 8 names on the current list, and at least half are suspect and don't meet the requirements put forth in WP:PEOPLE. This isn't my opinion as you have suggested, but a fair estimate of what the WP policy says weighed against those listed. The facts simply don't back up the claims. If you keep going down the list, the problems continue. Let me know what you think! I realize that this is a matter of perspective, but WP is clear that you don't merit a WP page if you only have self-published sources. Revmqo ( talk) 02:48, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
Randomly selected another name lower on the list, Teresa Ruiz (politician), again all sources are her own website. This just doesn't cut it! I do admit there are quite a few legitimate posts thought! ! Revmqo ( talk) 02:52, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
Article on Neil Clarke (editor) has no sources as to bio, only awards. No source links him to Drew. Should I keep proving my point? Revmqo ( talk) 03:16, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
@ 71.251.33.239 you can't use the subjects own work as a source, at least not as the only source. It should be a reliable THIRD party. Revmqo ( talk) 03:24, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
I've restored Susan Morrison to the list and added a ref. I will get around to creating a page for her, just not tonight. Revmqo ( talk) 04:15, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
[EC] I believe you are wrong with the article you keep using as a source. It is a "meesage from the commissioner" and the subject is that commissioner. It fails to be a third party source. If she is the commissioner she has full control over what it says. It is not and cannot be objective. Revmqo ( talk) 05:01, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
Vanderbeek's article doesn't properly source Drew as his alma matter. I don't doubt the fact, but you can't use a blog as a source. Without a valid source, his inclusion is dubious. Revmqo ( talk) 05:38, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
I would move the Drew University Alumni List to List of Drew University people, then add all the faculty and presidents on that list as well.-- Nnnnkkkk ( talk) 10:32, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
I think that we should add more info on the Graduate and Theological Schools. I could be wrong, but I think that the Graduate program added several new degrees (e.g., M.A.T.) in the last decade. Additionally, there is minimal history listed for these schools. DavidinNJ ( talk) 11:55, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
Currently, notable Drew University alumni, faculty, and presidents are currently listed in multiple ways. On the Drew University page, faculty and presidents are listed. List of Drew University alumni lists notable alumni. List of Drew University people list alumni, faculty, and presidents in a consolidated list. The following proposals are being considered. DavidinNJ ( talk) 17:32, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
(1) Eliminate
list of Drew University people and
list of Drew University alumni, and have consolidated list of notable alumni, faculty, and presidents on the
Drew University page.
(2) Eliminate
list of Drew University people, list faculty and presidents on the
Drew University page, and keep alumni at
list of Drew University alumni.
(3) Eliminate
list of Drew University alumni, remove the faculty and presidents from the
Drew University page, and have consolidated list of notable alumni, faculty, and presidents at
list of Drew University people.
(4) Keep the status quo of faculty and presidents being listed on the
Drew University page, and having both
list of Drew University alumni and
list of Drew University people.
(5) Other -- please describe.
Aim to bring this article to GA and FA status by the close of the year, using the organization recommended by the Universities Wikiproject and other university/college articles that have achieved GA and FA status. Look forward to working with the article's contributors in making this happen. -- ColonelHenry ( talk) 14:29, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
Never seen a wiki page for a university without any indication of ranking. Please provide this info. 72.68.72.135 ( talk) 19:02, 21 September 2015 (UTC)R.E.D.
It appears that something has gone cringeworthily wrong. The infobox stretches across the entirety of the page. I'll see what I can do to fix it. Ergo Sum 02:44, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
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The article needs more sources and has been tagged accordingly. SunCrow ( talk) 23:21, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
One or more Drew University librarians have begun editing this article. I strongly recommend that they review our conflict-of-interest policies.
@ MsWillows3: I specifically request to know why you have begun an edit war to include a link to the university library's special collections website. Our policies and practices regarding external links are pretty clear in that we try to minimize the links we include in articles with the general idea being to include the most broad "official website" and not link to subpages of that website (with the assumption that official website already has links to all of its subpages). Can you please tell us why this specific link in this article should be an exception? ElKevbo ( talk) 16:09, 13 March 2020 (UTC)