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"Some references also use the term Pedrail, but a Pedrail does not operate as a Wheel and axle mechanism and is more akin to Continuous track. Bottrill referred to the rails as 'Ped-rail shoes'."
Not true. The Diplock Chaintrack is a type of continuous track. The earlier Diplock Pedrail Wheel is a wheel and axle mechanism, with sprung spokes. Pedrail Wheel patent shown here; Pedrail Chaintrack patent shown here. Will adjust text. Hengistmate ( talk) 14:58, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
Re the opening sentence "A dreadnaught wheel is a wheel with articulated rails attached at the rim...", this doesn't seem right. Those are not rails. Rails are long thin things: railroad rails, railings, fence rails. Those are more like "feet" or something. Herostratus ( talk) 12:30, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
Well, "rail" originally comes from a enlongated piece of wood, or something to guide you. Perhaps "slab" would be more appropriate, but it does look as if part of the design is too guide the wheels along whatever track the "rail" or "slab" is laid on, since it would be difficult to get steering authority on slippery surfaces, and you also don't want the wheel to slide off the "shoe" into the mud. I would say that "rail" meant something to them back then, or else they wouldn't have used the term...to them a "rail" was a hard surface which one could roll over easily, while "track" implied a path of sorts. A locomotive followed a path...a "track", which was laid with "rails": hard, smooth surfaces which made traveling over the "track" much easier. "Track" to refer to the rails and ties and everything, but also the right-of-way, as opposed to now, when people assume "rails" and "railroad track" are synonyms. And since steam was all the rage, and locomotives booming, I can easily imagine the inventors trying to capitalize on the vision of a locomotive which could lay its own rails (rails follow a track
.45Colt 16:56, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
Isn't this basically the same exact thing as the loose-ish bands of articulated slabs they would fix around the wheels of heavy artillery in WWI, to make it easier to transport in the mud of the combat area? Knd of a tank track, but with only one wheel. There are hundreds of pictures out there, and while I can't recall what term they used for them, it's obviously a very similar idea to this. Shouldn't that be included? Here's a photo...I'm surprised I couldn't find more on Google...I've seen them in dozens of photos before, but not recalling the term for them probably isn't helping):
http://s11.photobucket.com/user/GrandLunar/media/Artillery/28cmmortar7.jpg.html
Also related are "spuds" and "frogplates" (I'm pretty sure that was the term, but Google doesn't give me anything. Weird.) Frogplates (?) are extensions of the track plates to increase surface area, while "spuds" are large lugs which can be affixed to a steel tractor/traction engine wheel or tank track to give it traction in soft mud (some even were hinged to allow travel on harder surfaces). At least merit a place in the "see also" section, although I don't think there's any wiki page on either one. .45Colt 17:07, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
Is there a source that explains where the name came from? It seems that it might be a proper noun/ trade name? I'll be interested in the response. Hengistmate ( talk) 18:06, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
Fear naught; dread naught; but trust in all the gods and saints
Fear naught; dread naught; but trust in all the gods and saints
that you parade through the streets on your many festival days!
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"Some references also use the term Pedrail, but a Pedrail does not operate as a Wheel and axle mechanism and is more akin to Continuous track. Bottrill referred to the rails as 'Ped-rail shoes'."
Not true. The Diplock Chaintrack is a type of continuous track. The earlier Diplock Pedrail Wheel is a wheel and axle mechanism, with sprung spokes. Pedrail Wheel patent shown here; Pedrail Chaintrack patent shown here. Will adjust text. Hengistmate ( talk) 14:58, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
Re the opening sentence "A dreadnaught wheel is a wheel with articulated rails attached at the rim...", this doesn't seem right. Those are not rails. Rails are long thin things: railroad rails, railings, fence rails. Those are more like "feet" or something. Herostratus ( talk) 12:30, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
Well, "rail" originally comes from a enlongated piece of wood, or something to guide you. Perhaps "slab" would be more appropriate, but it does look as if part of the design is too guide the wheels along whatever track the "rail" or "slab" is laid on, since it would be difficult to get steering authority on slippery surfaces, and you also don't want the wheel to slide off the "shoe" into the mud. I would say that "rail" meant something to them back then, or else they wouldn't have used the term...to them a "rail" was a hard surface which one could roll over easily, while "track" implied a path of sorts. A locomotive followed a path...a "track", which was laid with "rails": hard, smooth surfaces which made traveling over the "track" much easier. "Track" to refer to the rails and ties and everything, but also the right-of-way, as opposed to now, when people assume "rails" and "railroad track" are synonyms. And since steam was all the rage, and locomotives booming, I can easily imagine the inventors trying to capitalize on the vision of a locomotive which could lay its own rails (rails follow a track
.45Colt 16:56, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
Isn't this basically the same exact thing as the loose-ish bands of articulated slabs they would fix around the wheels of heavy artillery in WWI, to make it easier to transport in the mud of the combat area? Knd of a tank track, but with only one wheel. There are hundreds of pictures out there, and while I can't recall what term they used for them, it's obviously a very similar idea to this. Shouldn't that be included? Here's a photo...I'm surprised I couldn't find more on Google...I've seen them in dozens of photos before, but not recalling the term for them probably isn't helping):
http://s11.photobucket.com/user/GrandLunar/media/Artillery/28cmmortar7.jpg.html
Also related are "spuds" and "frogplates" (I'm pretty sure that was the term, but Google doesn't give me anything. Weird.) Frogplates (?) are extensions of the track plates to increase surface area, while "spuds" are large lugs which can be affixed to a steel tractor/traction engine wheel or tank track to give it traction in soft mud (some even were hinged to allow travel on harder surfaces). At least merit a place in the "see also" section, although I don't think there's any wiki page on either one. .45Colt 17:07, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
Is there a source that explains where the name came from? It seems that it might be a proper noun/ trade name? I'll be interested in the response. Hengistmate ( talk) 18:06, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
Fear naught; dread naught; but trust in all the gods and saints
Fear naught; dread naught; but trust in all the gods and saints
that you parade through the streets on your many festival days!