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Just came across a discussion about this article here (the position in the diagram). -- Sir48 16:45, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
I moved this page here from "draw by mutual agreement" because (as someone pointed out), "mutual" is superfluous and neither the FIDE or USCF rules seem to say "mutual". Bubba73 (talk), 23:28, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
"Of course, it is not unethical or illegal to offer a draw even in a clearly lost position". I disagree with this statement, I think that "pulling rank" on a weaker player and using ones Elo rating to intimdate them into granting a draw in a won postion for them is unethical.
Match play golf has a rule allowing each player or team to concede a stroke, a hole, or a game; that alone does not suffice to compare golf with chess, however a relevant decision by the ruling authorities has explicitly legalised agreeing on a draw; therefore golf is similar to chess in that respect. 91.64.30.17 19:08, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
I'm no master of the game, that's for sure, but I'm familiar with the rules. I don't see how the Reshevsky - Mastichadis game results in a loss by the 24-25 moves shown. See with the Knight in position f2, the king is not in check. Is something wrong with the board, or am I just totally confused? McKay 05:15, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
The very strong Sofia 2005 tournament is planned to employ such a rule. It's now 2007; can this be replaced by a statement about what actually happened? Was the rule employed, and if so, what effects did it have? 213.249.135.36 18:05, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
I didn't get to finish my edit comment. I changed "professional level" to "amateur club/tournament level and higher" because most draws that occur at the amateur club or amateur tournament level are draws by agreement rather than stalemate, 3-fold, 50 moves, etc. Bubba73 (talk), 02:39, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
The alt tags are all fscked up - this is what it looks like in a text-only browser:
Reshevsky vs. Mastichiadis, Dubrovnik 1950 Solid white.svg a b c d e f g h Solid white.svg 8 black king black king black bishop black king black rook black king black king black king 8 7 black king black pawn black king black knight black queen black pawn black king black king 7 6 black king black king black pawn black king black king black king black pawn black pawn 6 5 black king white pawn black king black pawn black king black king black king black king 5 4 black king black king black king white pawn black king black king black knight black king 4 3 black king black king white knight white bishop white pawn white knight white pawn black king 3 2 black king white queen black king black king black king white pawn white pawn black king 2 1 white rook black king black king black king black king black king white king black king 1 Solid white.svg a b c d e f g h Solid white.svg
I'm almost certain I've read somewhere that Karpov suggested that draw offers should last until accepted or until the game ends, not being automatically rejected by a move being made. That way, it would be impossible to offer a draw, have it rejected, and then go on to win the game. Has this been tried? It seems that it would be a fair solution, allowing the players to agree to a draw when both genuinely believe they have no winning chances, without having to do silly things like wait a certain number of moves or play dull repetitions, while still discouraging players from offering draws when both could very well play for a win but just don't want to. If someone has the reference for this, or more information on it, I think it warrants mention. 85.226.204.42 ( talk) 15:08, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
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This explanation is nonsense, isn't it? How can something that takes place in chess at the highest and most official level (e.g. World Championship) be "not part of chess" ?? W. P. Uzer ( talk) 14:02, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
In fact, even in the set of rules provided as a reference for the statement, it explicitly states: "The regulations of an event may specify that players cannot offer or agree to a draw, whether in less than a specified number of moves or at all, without the consent of the arbiter." W. P. Uzer ( talk) 14:09, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
Magic: the Gathering allows draw by agreement, both at the game level and the match level (best 2 out of 3, for those who aren't familiar). It's less common than in chess because Magic awards 3 points for a win and 1 for a draw and individual games rarely end in a draw via gameplay itself, but it does happen if e.g. both players need one point to advance to the top 8, or it's the final two players and they agree to split the prize. From what I understand, Magic's competitors have the same tournament rules, although I don't play them. Should we include this in the article? HotdogPi 13:15, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
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Just came across a discussion about this article here (the position in the diagram). -- Sir48 16:45, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
I moved this page here from "draw by mutual agreement" because (as someone pointed out), "mutual" is superfluous and neither the FIDE or USCF rules seem to say "mutual". Bubba73 (talk), 23:28, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
"Of course, it is not unethical or illegal to offer a draw even in a clearly lost position". I disagree with this statement, I think that "pulling rank" on a weaker player and using ones Elo rating to intimdate them into granting a draw in a won postion for them is unethical.
Match play golf has a rule allowing each player or team to concede a stroke, a hole, or a game; that alone does not suffice to compare golf with chess, however a relevant decision by the ruling authorities has explicitly legalised agreeing on a draw; therefore golf is similar to chess in that respect. 91.64.30.17 19:08, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
I'm no master of the game, that's for sure, but I'm familiar with the rules. I don't see how the Reshevsky - Mastichadis game results in a loss by the 24-25 moves shown. See with the Knight in position f2, the king is not in check. Is something wrong with the board, or am I just totally confused? McKay 05:15, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
The very strong Sofia 2005 tournament is planned to employ such a rule. It's now 2007; can this be replaced by a statement about what actually happened? Was the rule employed, and if so, what effects did it have? 213.249.135.36 18:05, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
I didn't get to finish my edit comment. I changed "professional level" to "amateur club/tournament level and higher" because most draws that occur at the amateur club or amateur tournament level are draws by agreement rather than stalemate, 3-fold, 50 moves, etc. Bubba73 (talk), 02:39, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
The alt tags are all fscked up - this is what it looks like in a text-only browser:
Reshevsky vs. Mastichiadis, Dubrovnik 1950 Solid white.svg a b c d e f g h Solid white.svg 8 black king black king black bishop black king black rook black king black king black king 8 7 black king black pawn black king black knight black queen black pawn black king black king 7 6 black king black king black pawn black king black king black king black pawn black pawn 6 5 black king white pawn black king black pawn black king black king black king black king 5 4 black king black king black king white pawn black king black king black knight black king 4 3 black king black king white knight white bishop white pawn white knight white pawn black king 3 2 black king white queen black king black king black king white pawn white pawn black king 2 1 white rook black king black king black king black king black king white king black king 1 Solid white.svg a b c d e f g h Solid white.svg
I'm almost certain I've read somewhere that Karpov suggested that draw offers should last until accepted or until the game ends, not being automatically rejected by a move being made. That way, it would be impossible to offer a draw, have it rejected, and then go on to win the game. Has this been tried? It seems that it would be a fair solution, allowing the players to agree to a draw when both genuinely believe they have no winning chances, without having to do silly things like wait a certain number of moves or play dull repetitions, while still discouraging players from offering draws when both could very well play for a win but just don't want to. If someone has the reference for this, or more information on it, I think it warrants mention. 85.226.204.42 ( talk) 15:08, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
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This explanation is nonsense, isn't it? How can something that takes place in chess at the highest and most official level (e.g. World Championship) be "not part of chess" ?? W. P. Uzer ( talk) 14:02, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
In fact, even in the set of rules provided as a reference for the statement, it explicitly states: "The regulations of an event may specify that players cannot offer or agree to a draw, whether in less than a specified number of moves or at all, without the consent of the arbiter." W. P. Uzer ( talk) 14:09, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
Magic: the Gathering allows draw by agreement, both at the game level and the match level (best 2 out of 3, for those who aren't familiar). It's less common than in chess because Magic awards 3 points for a win and 1 for a draw and individual games rarely end in a draw via gameplay itself, but it does happen if e.g. both players need one point to advance to the top 8, or it's the final two players and they agree to split the prize. From what I understand, Magic's competitors have the same tournament rules, although I don't play them. Should we include this in the article? HotdogPi 13:15, 17 May 2024 (UTC)