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This page has zero, ie zero documentation. I suggest whoever started it should put up a few footnotes or whatever!
Why in the world does it state that Kanyan lead the Dashnaks? The Armenian Dashnak party was based in Egypt and had strongly proclaimed their allegiance to the Allied powers and denounced the Axis. There needs to be a severe overhaul in editing this page.-- MarshallBagramyan 19:16, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
hmmm yes I recently readed about this subject in a german newspaper, I will try to find it asap
That large chunky quote on Kanayan by Walker has to be removed and at least summarized into the article.-- MarshallBagramyan 01:22, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
"Dro became a popular military leader after the victories over the Turkish in 1918." should be corrected. Replace "Turkish" with "Ottomans". Turks, as Armenians, were an ethnic population within the Ottoman land where many more etnicities co-existed. Dro, himself, was an Ottoman citizen while revolting against the Ottomans. Turkey was later established as a state in October 1923.
Dro is claimed to organize a widespread genocide against the Azeri and the Turkish populations in the region ( http://www.armenica.org/cgi-bin/history/en/getHistory.cgi?4=1=info=4=Dro,%20Drastamat%20Kanayan=1=3=D) Erhan Berber
From “ARMENIA: The Survival of a Nation”, revised second edition © 1990 Christopher J. Walker
DRO (Drastamat Kanayan) (Igdir 1884 – Boston 1956) Educated Yerevan Gymnasium. Attended military school. Joined Dashnak party. Very active in 1903–5; with others assassinated Prince Nakashidze and General Alikhanov; fought the Tatars in Zangezur. Fled to Turkey after proclamation of constitution in 1908. Returned to Transcaucasia in 1914; one of the commanders of the volunteer units. Wounded; decorated by the tsar. In 1917 appointed by the Armenian National Council military commissar of the Ararat region. Defended the Bash Abaran defile during the battle of Sardarabad, May 1918. With Aram organised the dictatorship of Armenia until the government arrived in July 1918. Commander of the front during Armeno–Georgian war, December 1918. In early and mid-1920 commander of the Surmalu front. Minister of war in Vratsian's government, November 1920. When H. Terterian signed agreement on hand-over of power to Bolsheviks. Became dictator of Armenia until arrival of Soviet forces. To Moscow 1921; received amicably by Stalin. Later to Paris; settled in Romania. Co-operated with the Nazis on the Crimean and north Caucasian fronts during the second world war, commanding an Armenian battalion; supporters claim that this was to ensure the survival of Armenians, should the Nazis reach Armenia; opponents claim that he acted out of Nazi sympathies. Arrested at Heidelberg by the Americans at the end of the war; released after one month as an 'old exile'. Settled in Lebanon, making frequent trips to Egypt, Europe and the USA. To America for medical treatment in December 1955; died in Boston 8 March 1956.
Your comments and manner of your speech insult my intellegence. First you deny the armenian genocide, and then claim general dro commited genocide against turks ... come now ... : )))
About in the beginning of the biography section a line reads as following: During the Armenian Genocide Dro fought off Turkish and Azeri aggression against Armenian civilians. Azerbaijan and Azeris had nothing to do with the Armenian Genocide, so this line is not correct as it also accused Azerbaijan for committing the Armenian Genocide. I removed the Azeri sentence. Baku87 18:21, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
... hence the anti-armenian propaganda backed by botched up sources of reference they create themselves. This article is a good example of how credible and impartial this so-called idea of Wikipedia is.
I agree, we should maintain friendly relations with Turks and Azeris but we shouldn't let them rewrite Armenian history. The Armenian editors here should be ashamed, they are the ones giving Turks and Azeris the power to try to eliminate Armenians from the face of the Earth. First through eliminating and eradicating Armenian History from all textbooks, websites, and etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.174.192.171 ( talk) 04:22, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
I'm gonna remove the number "200 000" for the 812th batallion because it simply goes beyond any logic. A battalion is the size of about 200-600 men tops. 200,000 soldiers would be enough to equip 20 divisions and Armenians could have conquered Moscow by 1942 if there really were that many. I hope the logic behind the removal is understood. For more information, see Armenian Legion talk page. - Fedayee 04:28, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
Not for the 812th battalion,sorry.
The number 200 000-is numer of Armenians generally serving to Wehrmacht and SS
I re-organized the Early Life section as it had some inconsistencies. Also did a general cleaup of the sources used. I'll be trying to find time to concentrate a little more on this article to improve the other sections and in general. - Fedayee 01:09, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
What I am referring to is his actual, official joining of the ARF as an activist or member. But it is true that he, alongside other students, were encouraged by Andranik and the ARF's role in the empires. So I suggest this edit in order to make the distinction between him being inspired by it and his official membership/activism in the organization: Inspired by stories of General Andranik's triumphs in the Ottoman Empire and the spread of nationalism by the Armenian Revolutionary Federation, Drastamat joined a secret youth movement in his school that opposed the Czar's government and promoted Armenian nationalism. - Fedayee 04:47, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
Denizz that website not only denies the genocide but also denies that there was massacre of Armenians. It futures an article from Weems etc... I'm currently checking the reliability of the rest of the sources provided by the IP. VartanM 17:57, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
In addition to this, I removed the other source added by the IP. While doing a simple google search for it [1], all that came out were a Wikipedia link and 3 revisionist sites (among them the hate site, tallarmeniantale.com and another that claims 2.5 million Muslims killed by Armenians with a typo as a title). - Fedayee 02:09, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
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All SS members pledged allegiance to hitler and the nazi party. It would be appropriate to acknowledge his allegiance as he was a commander of an ss battalion. Even if the conditions of the camps were harsh he still chose to fight for the nazis and wrote much in praise regarding the ideology. 92.40.196.116 ( talk) 03:08, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
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This page has zero, ie zero documentation. I suggest whoever started it should put up a few footnotes or whatever!
Why in the world does it state that Kanyan lead the Dashnaks? The Armenian Dashnak party was based in Egypt and had strongly proclaimed their allegiance to the Allied powers and denounced the Axis. There needs to be a severe overhaul in editing this page.-- MarshallBagramyan 19:16, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
hmmm yes I recently readed about this subject in a german newspaper, I will try to find it asap
That large chunky quote on Kanayan by Walker has to be removed and at least summarized into the article.-- MarshallBagramyan 01:22, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
"Dro became a popular military leader after the victories over the Turkish in 1918." should be corrected. Replace "Turkish" with "Ottomans". Turks, as Armenians, were an ethnic population within the Ottoman land where many more etnicities co-existed. Dro, himself, was an Ottoman citizen while revolting against the Ottomans. Turkey was later established as a state in October 1923.
Dro is claimed to organize a widespread genocide against the Azeri and the Turkish populations in the region ( http://www.armenica.org/cgi-bin/history/en/getHistory.cgi?4=1=info=4=Dro,%20Drastamat%20Kanayan=1=3=D) Erhan Berber
From “ARMENIA: The Survival of a Nation”, revised second edition © 1990 Christopher J. Walker
DRO (Drastamat Kanayan) (Igdir 1884 – Boston 1956) Educated Yerevan Gymnasium. Attended military school. Joined Dashnak party. Very active in 1903–5; with others assassinated Prince Nakashidze and General Alikhanov; fought the Tatars in Zangezur. Fled to Turkey after proclamation of constitution in 1908. Returned to Transcaucasia in 1914; one of the commanders of the volunteer units. Wounded; decorated by the tsar. In 1917 appointed by the Armenian National Council military commissar of the Ararat region. Defended the Bash Abaran defile during the battle of Sardarabad, May 1918. With Aram organised the dictatorship of Armenia until the government arrived in July 1918. Commander of the front during Armeno–Georgian war, December 1918. In early and mid-1920 commander of the Surmalu front. Minister of war in Vratsian's government, November 1920. When H. Terterian signed agreement on hand-over of power to Bolsheviks. Became dictator of Armenia until arrival of Soviet forces. To Moscow 1921; received amicably by Stalin. Later to Paris; settled in Romania. Co-operated with the Nazis on the Crimean and north Caucasian fronts during the second world war, commanding an Armenian battalion; supporters claim that this was to ensure the survival of Armenians, should the Nazis reach Armenia; opponents claim that he acted out of Nazi sympathies. Arrested at Heidelberg by the Americans at the end of the war; released after one month as an 'old exile'. Settled in Lebanon, making frequent trips to Egypt, Europe and the USA. To America for medical treatment in December 1955; died in Boston 8 March 1956.
Your comments and manner of your speech insult my intellegence. First you deny the armenian genocide, and then claim general dro commited genocide against turks ... come now ... : )))
About in the beginning of the biography section a line reads as following: During the Armenian Genocide Dro fought off Turkish and Azeri aggression against Armenian civilians. Azerbaijan and Azeris had nothing to do with the Armenian Genocide, so this line is not correct as it also accused Azerbaijan for committing the Armenian Genocide. I removed the Azeri sentence. Baku87 18:21, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
... hence the anti-armenian propaganda backed by botched up sources of reference they create themselves. This article is a good example of how credible and impartial this so-called idea of Wikipedia is.
I agree, we should maintain friendly relations with Turks and Azeris but we shouldn't let them rewrite Armenian history. The Armenian editors here should be ashamed, they are the ones giving Turks and Azeris the power to try to eliminate Armenians from the face of the Earth. First through eliminating and eradicating Armenian History from all textbooks, websites, and etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.174.192.171 ( talk) 04:22, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
I'm gonna remove the number "200 000" for the 812th batallion because it simply goes beyond any logic. A battalion is the size of about 200-600 men tops. 200,000 soldiers would be enough to equip 20 divisions and Armenians could have conquered Moscow by 1942 if there really were that many. I hope the logic behind the removal is understood. For more information, see Armenian Legion talk page. - Fedayee 04:28, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
Not for the 812th battalion,sorry.
The number 200 000-is numer of Armenians generally serving to Wehrmacht and SS
I re-organized the Early Life section as it had some inconsistencies. Also did a general cleaup of the sources used. I'll be trying to find time to concentrate a little more on this article to improve the other sections and in general. - Fedayee 01:09, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
What I am referring to is his actual, official joining of the ARF as an activist or member. But it is true that he, alongside other students, were encouraged by Andranik and the ARF's role in the empires. So I suggest this edit in order to make the distinction between him being inspired by it and his official membership/activism in the organization: Inspired by stories of General Andranik's triumphs in the Ottoman Empire and the spread of nationalism by the Armenian Revolutionary Federation, Drastamat joined a secret youth movement in his school that opposed the Czar's government and promoted Armenian nationalism. - Fedayee 04:47, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
Denizz that website not only denies the genocide but also denies that there was massacre of Armenians. It futures an article from Weems etc... I'm currently checking the reliability of the rest of the sources provided by the IP. VartanM 17:57, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
In addition to this, I removed the other source added by the IP. While doing a simple google search for it [1], all that came out were a Wikipedia link and 3 revisionist sites (among them the hate site, tallarmeniantale.com and another that claims 2.5 million Muslims killed by Armenians with a typo as a title). - Fedayee 02:09, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
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All SS members pledged allegiance to hitler and the nazi party. It would be appropriate to acknowledge his allegiance as he was a commander of an ss battalion. Even if the conditions of the camps were harsh he still chose to fight for the nazis and wrote much in praise regarding the ideology. 92.40.196.116 ( talk) 03:08, 28 March 2024 (UTC)