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for anyone that feels like doing a write up, gameinformer has a couple of articles up on their website with early details ( first details + character details). 61.68.25.249 ( talk) 07:37, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
I have removed all references to Wikia as an unreliable source. Like all open Wikis, Wikia is open to editing by anyone, and cannot be accepted as a reliable source. Additionally, Wikia sites do not pass the "established expert" exception in WP:SPS; Wikia contributors are considered experts no more than are Wikipedia contributers. They are, rather, random people on the internet.
Yet further, it should not be used as a source even if it is reliable since all of their own content is sourced to other sites. If those sources are reliable, and they mostly are, then cite them. Someguy1221 ( talk) 23:40, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
There are several bits of repeated information. The page needs to be better organized, and there are some grammatical errors.-- FUNKAMATIC ~talk 18:57, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
There is only one entry under creatures and that is for something that only appears in the DLC. Can anyone fill in this section with more relevant creatures? Otherwise I think this section might as well be removed Lady of the dead ( talk) 18:36, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
There seems to be a formatting issue on this page. There's a massive gap after second paragraph in the Plot section. Makes people think the page hasn't loaded completely because everything else is below that gap - JohnP —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.231.90.179 ( talk) 04:46, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
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Here's some stuff that could be added to the Reception Section:
Also, one of those sites, RPG Site, has conducted an interview with the Voice Actor for the Male version of Hawke, the main character. He reveals that recording lasted all the way from June 2010 through til November 2010. That may come in handy for the "Production" section of the Wiki.
This game has already received a library of reviews since it's release earlier today. If you lock the topic, you are responsible for its continued growth. Either begin updating it with new information about its reception, or unlock it so that other people can edit it for you. Let's try to keep it the "Free" encyclopedia!
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Why is this page STILL locked? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.18.116.177 ( talk) 15:08, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
Terrible. I'm sorry but I would expect Wikipedia to be the last to lock this, it's received terrible scores from most but the top journalists and is thought by most to simply be paid off. Closing the Wiki page just furthers this idea overall.
A start with the Metacritic page (3.9/10 for User Reviews, 8.9/10 otherwise) is a good start. While there have been many troll reviewers giving it 1/10 simply to offset the people giving it absurd 10/10 when the game clearly isn't THAT great, it goes to show that the game isn't as good as the scores imply and locking this page definitely says a lot about wikipedia game articles and being influenced by outside parties. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pyro Fyr ( talk • contribs) 04:55, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
78.53.125.128 ( talk) 09:31, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
The last statement in the reception paragraph states that the game holds a user score of 3.0 on Metacritic. First off, there is no citation for this claim. Second off, I have read literally over a hundred articles related to video games, and not once have I ever seen the user score for Metacritic posted in the reception section. If the game did not meet your expectations that's fine, but why is the user score relevant in this article when its not in any other? (Note: The closest thing to a user score I have seen posted in an article was related to Modern Warfare 2's PC version due to its lack of Dedicated servers. - George. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.77.6.190 ( talk) 17:39, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
I've seen that a good portion of the reason for the 3.0 score is trolling and many more gave it a hyperbolic score of zero. Also, you better be damn prepared to back that claim up about the paying off, rumors don't qualify as reliable sources, and that's a huge accusation to make. It's locked because of vandalism to da max (The internet is freaking out over this game), not because Bioware paid anyone off. 99.110.54.111 ( talk) 03:21, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
Saying 4chan has any influence over a 25 million dollar game is ludicrous, apart from their trolls (which is nothing new) saying so. What evidence is there that backs up the claim that they have any effect on the score?
wait, you guys seriously think /b/ is doing this? how casual are you kids? its not the random board, the people up in arms are from /v/ the VIDEO GAME board, /b/ is too busy with its head up its arse to do anything nowadays expect look at porn. /v/ was disappointed in how bad DA2 was, both pirates and people who own the game seem to agree (for the most part) that the game sucked and was too linear due to bioware's attempt to rope in the CoD fanbase. alot of what /v/ has done is more or less gathered facts and poking fun at stanely woo for being so incompetent its not funny. and about the metacritic scores, there are only a few troll reviews, most of those poor scores come from people who have had hands on expereince with the game and were disappointed..DA2 was a step BACKWARDS...also HAI /v/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.252.14.195 ( talk) 13:28, 15 March 2011 (UTC) Regardless of where the reviews are coming from, it's not notable enough to put it here, especially if there's reason to suspect it's a trolling campaign. There are literally no other games where metacritic user scores are notable, and also it's suspicious that the user score on Gamespot is 8.3, compared to metacritic's 4.0. Also, please cite some damn sources if you're going to say something like the critics got paid off. Goddamn, people. Just because they disagree with you doesn't mean that they're paid off. 99.110.54.111 ( talk) 23:53, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
"The game currently holds a meta score of 8.2 across critics. However, this score has been badly skewed due to a 4chan orchestrated campaign of fake bad reviews accross multiple sites to 'try and bring Bioware down'"
What is the source for this currently unsourced and seemingly bizarre claim? Presumably 4chan can create bad user reviews but it can't influence the ratings of major site... DannyLee9 ( talk) 21:28, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
4Chan has been working yes, but many users are disappointed too, and no, it's not about a cat (thank you for being so edgy and hilarious. We all appreciated that). It's about Day One DLC's, removal of the things that made DA:O great, reusing the same areas over and over, graphics comparable to something from 2005, arrogance from the developers part, and several other such things. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.54.43.226 ( talk) 07:41, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
Maybe its just a shit game? All professional reviews have been average also.
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The game has SecuROM and EA's online DRM ( http://www.reclaimyourgame.com/content.php?769-Evaluation-Report-Dragon-Age-2). Being banned from EA Community (which can happen for forum activity) will also prevent you from activating your purchased copy of Dragon Age II: this has happened at least once ( http://digg.com/news/gaming/bioware_forum_bans_affect_access_to_your_game). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.234.187.167 ( talk) 02:16, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
"Dragon Age II has a non-linear framed narrative story, mainly based on the protagonist's choices"
Its a linear game there's really only one large path though the game.
DID BIOWARE WRITE THIS LINE because it sounds more like an ad then a professional wiki entry!
Atlantic45235432 ( talk) 03:39, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
I have to agree. This game is linear. It gives you the illusion that it's non linear, but no matter how you play the game you'll end up in the same place in the end. I imagine a better way to phrase it would be to remove the "non" part. Tommkin ( talk) 13:48, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
I agree, I don't see anything NON-linear about the game. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.196.128.59 ( talk) 22:49, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
I agree, but you could do a little better job reforming your emotions when saying it.. The game, save for a few minor choices plays essentially the same regardless of what the player chooses. You get the same ending results and with no epilogue as DA:O had. The ending , after all your 'choices' in the game add up to offer 0-3 optional minor battles depending on who you made friends with during the game
Unrelated to the discussion at hand but please do not change people's signatures while making your own edits. -- 生け 花 15:08, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
I've noticed in the history of this article that many edits trying to make the article more neutral, including some of the less great perception it recieved such as the metacritic user scores, have been reverted. Was there any reason for this?
I've also noticed that the entire article is written in the game's favor, and some opinions are written as if they were facts. I don't know about you people, but this article almost seems like propaganda to me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.179.10.6 ( talk) 13:28, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
4chan action (if it even happened) is a "raid" only in EA/BioWare's twisted mind. Let's face the truth: people that come to 4chan are normal users just like everyone else and have the same right to have their voice represented. It's not like they are all bots of some evil hacker. Every one of them is a person, and if they feel that the game deserves to be rated 0, then I can't see how their rating is any less credible than the rating of someone who heard about Metacritic on a Xbox forum and came to rate the game 10. Furthermore, you can't claim that the result is skewed because the reviewers were somehow organized, because if you claim that, you'd need to discard every user rating given to a game after someone posts the link to metacritic on a forum and calls everyone else to vote for or against the game. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.178.201.97 ( talk) 08:01, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
Speaking of non-neutral: "though it is unclear if Hoban acted on his own behest or on that of the company." So, on no evidence, we're going to plant the idea that a major corporation commanded a single engineer (not a PR guy) to post a positive anonymous user review on a website? Leave stuff like this out altogether. If a reader wants to draw that conclusion from the facts, that's his prerogative, but it isn't the prerogative of an encyclopedia to try to plant ideas with weaselly language like this. 66.43.217.34 ( talk) 16:37, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
Parts of the "DRM controversy" section is based on false information. There is no SecuROM in the game, and there is no controversy. Rather, the game uses/used a program called Release Control to make a simple release date check. The program deletes itself once the check is done. It's clarified by the developers here; http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/141/index/6509752. Please rectify this and rename the section. -- 77.215.75.103 ( talk) 15:16, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
Should this be in the sentance after the "sold your soul to the EA devil" line "BioWare's slanteye Stanley Woo replied"? I am referring to the slanteye part of that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.98.4.11 ( talk) 06:49, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
[1] So I think with this it can be added to the article.-- MyMoloboaccount ( talk) 22:46, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
Also here are news that Bioware employee supposedly posted good reviews of DA2 as a user,: [3], [4]-- MyMoloboaccount ( talk) 09:07, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
Seeing as how Brent Knowles (the lead designer of DA1) is mentioned in this article, I feel it might be appropriate to add a note about his own impression of the game which can be found here; http://blog.brentknowles.com/2011/03/14/dragon-age-2-demo/comment-page-1/#comment-2491. Consider adding the following: "After playing the game's demo, he praised how polished and immersive it was, but mentioned that its combat had identity issues and did not seem to fit properly into neither the action nor RPG genre. In an overall assessment he felt that it was a strong title, especially considering the short development cycle, and called the demo "promising", though the amount of changes from the first title in the series seemed excessive to him, citing gameplay issues and the lack of ability to play as another race than human." -- 77.215.75.103 ( talk) 20:47, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
Someone edited in that Brent Knowles said that BioWare is "not what it used to be". This quote is nowhere to be found in the source, so it's either blatantly false or, hopefully, simply taken from another article than the one linked. To whoever did it, please be advised that when one uses quotation marks, one can only post direct quotes, and blatantly misquoting is actually somewhat of a serious matter. Someone, please delete the quote in question until a proper source is attributed to it.
Generally, the section's wording makes his leaving sound somewhat more dire than it was. In a later blog entry, he actually goes on to downplay the DA2 aspect of it all a bit; "I never thought Dragon Age 2 would be a terrible game. It was just that a highly cinematic, action-leaning RPG wasn’t what I wanted to work on. That is all."
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Page is under heavy siege from IP vandalism, once more. Temporary semi-protection has been requested. -- Rogington ( talk) 16:56, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
I can't see the review from this site. Review is found at the following address: http://www.videogamessuck.com/review437.html Please rectify this oversight asap. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Karnagewaim ( talk • contribs) 13:42, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
Right, so ever since the semi-protection was lifted once again, the article has been sabotaged by anonymous IPs on a near-daily basis. Unfortunately this wasn't deemed enough to warrant indefinite semi-protection, so I'll be withdrawing my support and contributions to the article as long as we have to put up with continuously reverting their trolling, not to mention the constant risk of yet another deliberate 4chan mass raid.
If any serious editors still feel like contributing, the reception section in particular has become a travesty filled with excessively negative bias. Having it broken up into positive/negative sections, for instance, is not proper wikipedia etiquette. Many of the sources in the section also fail to meet the wikipedia requirements for notability and are generally unreliable and quite obviously added only to further push this negative agenda - including some that were, in fact, outright turned down previously on this talk page. Frankly, the whole reception would be better off being reverted back to the state it was in before someone broke it up into positive/negative sections, keeping only a few of the recently added phrases and statements (those with reliable sources from notable and professional websites). Good luck, and have fun :) -- Rogington2 ( talk) 01:29, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
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Plot summary includes disclaimer that because the main character can be either gender, for the purpose of writing the summary male gender will be used, however, gender exclusivity is not necessary for proper writing and is not preferable. Recommend removal of all gender exclusive pronouns in reference to Hawke for this reason.
Such pronouns could be removed by using different nouns (i.e. Hawke, the future Champion, the Champion of Kirkwall, the Hero (or breaking the fourth wall, the Player Character)), simple rewrite to sentence structure (such as "Hawke and HIS family" to "Hawke and family" or "With family in tow, Hawke" or "Accompinied by the Hawke family, the future champion of Kirkwall), or even at times the simple removal of the pronoun itself.
Changing this would enable the removal of the before mentioned disclaimer, which breaks the flow and detracts from the purpose of the article itself.
204.69.40.101 ( talk) 16:52, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
These are both surrounding the DLC & patching of the game.
http://www.gamebanshee.com/news/102355-drm-run-amok-how-bioware-and-ea-are-screwing-users.html http://www.gamebanshee.com/news/102659-has-ea-ruined-bioware.html
I should think that having to connect to their severs to play in single player mode would be controversial enough. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.17.134.7 ( talk) 22:38, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
Stanley's 'End of Rine' Woo? Seriously guys? And no one's ever removed that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.120.65.238 ( talk) 09:25, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
I suspect that sooner or later will be noticed the similiarities between the end-game plot and recent events in RL and the controversies section became rather big... Best regards from Italy, dott.Piergiorgio ( talk) 13:14, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
The DLC section is to use Wikipedia terminology, a stub.
This dragon age wiki contains a more or less comprehensive list of DLC's and bonus items. http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Downloadable_content_%28Dragon_Age_II%29
I know that the dragon age wikia is not accepted as a reference because its also a wiki but it does cite its sources so you could use it as a stepping stone
anyway, from the official dragon age site, here is the bonus item list
http://dragonage.bioware.com/da2/info/bonus_items/
So I suggest that someone add at least the bonus item list to the DLC section of this wiki page — Preceding
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Um, the System Requirements bit in the "Development" section only covers Windows computers. Macs have system requirements too, and not the same as Windows, so a Mac sys requirements bit would be extrememly helpful. Spirit Stiff ( talk) 12:15, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
Hmm, given the sudden revision I'd have to assume there is still an issue regarding fan reception via Metacritic. Now the problem I see is that there is nothing notable about as just a statement that implies a legitimate counter to critical views. For example in the article for Portal 2, the Metacritic reception was noted for reasons that were expanded upon towards the end of the article. Otherwise, the mention of the score seems pointless given in the past a fan reception wasn't notable just by itself. Stabby Joe ( talk) 16:04, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
FleetCommand, your assertion that "companions with full rivalry will desert Hawke in the final battle" is not true. They will desert him if their rivalry or friendship is not 100% and they don't support your choice of sides. Once they reach 100% on either friendship or rivalry, they are fully loyal to you, for opposite reasons, of course, (that's the point of the rivalry system – you can consciously work either towards full friendship OR full rivalry and make them loyal to you) and will follow you into the final battle:
"Any dissenters that are not fully loyal to you (either maximum friendship or rivalry) will then leave your party if you press ahead with a choice that they do not support."
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I know I'm quoting from a wiki, but I doubt you'll find a quoteable source for your assertion. Either we correct the sentence or it has to go. --
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While interesting, it looks like it's pretty much all subjective interpretation and analysis by a Wiki-user. If they can find some evidence to back their analysis with commentary from creators or reputable critics it probably could stay. As it is, the section seems to fall into the realm of subjective and original content and should probably be deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Totallyprocrastinating ( talk • contribs) 22:16, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
Hello
I thought you guys wanted to delete the section. (And I accepted that it was a stupid contribution of mine and consented.) Is there anything wrong? Policy or otherwise?
Best regards,
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A potential source you may want to incorporate: Maker’s Breath. Religion, Magic, and the ‘Godless’ World of BioWare’s Dragon Age II (2011) Kristin M.S. Bezio czar ♔ 05:53, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
Does anyone else think this game is an open world game? I don't even think Dragon Age Origins is open world really (since you are blocked from going to locations until they are marked on your map) but I won't revert editor ECW28's additions there since the point is arguable in that game. Dragon Age II, which takes place in a single city and small handful of other zones, is certainly NOT open world. Unless there is a reliable source which refers to the game as open world, I completely disagree. Caidh ( talk) 00:39, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
There are a half-dozen or so links to disambiguation (dab) pages in this article. I have fixed one of them, but fixing others will require knowledge of the sources. To see which links go to dab pages, go to Preferences -> Gadgets and enable the gadget called "Display links to disambiguation pages in orange". – Jonesey95 ( talk) 15:09, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
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I am a fan of the Dragon Age universe. Dragon Age II is my favorite game in the series. Truly, it is my pleasure to review this article.
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(who wields a shield and a melee weapon including maces and swords)Warrior main here. I would change this to:
(who wields a melee weapon in both hands, or with a shield)
For instance, players can customize a companion's stance to aggressive, [...]To be aggressive? Companions can also be defensive, if I recall correctly.
Health, injuriesMOS:OVERLINK, de-link.
after all the enemiesRemove "the".
There are five types of items: weapons and armors, crafting recipes, runes, plot items and consumables.I clearly remember picking up and selling an ocean of garbage from every box and sack in Kirkwall...
Companions' armors cannot be changed, [...]A companion's appearance can change dramatically if fully romanced. Fenris gets that red ribbon, Isabela gets some new duds, Merill's outfit turns white, etc.
Skills such as lock picking for rogues are unlocked automatically when a certain level is reached.Lockpicking, as the source confirms, is dependent on your Cunning score. Locks scale by difficulty in intervals of 10.
[...] to the city of Kirkwall.Expand to "city-state," as per the lore.
and the center of events that change the course of Thedas.Continents generally move very, very slowly and very free of human action. History, maybe?
Also,Delete.
with Sebastian for a female Hawke.Only for a female hawk, as opposed to the other four.
after which the family takes up residence in the city's Lowtown.With good old Uncle Gamlen!
enabling them to relocate to a mansion in Hightown.It is worth mentioning that Hawke, by right of blood, owns that mansion. Gamlen and his deeds are pivotal to the (early) story anyway and should be recounted.
BioWare's Edmonton office developed Dragon Age II beginning during the production of Dragon Age: Origins - Awakening.Consider:
BioWare's Edmonton office began development of Dragon Age II during the production of Dragon Age: Origins - Awakening.
Laidlaw added the gameplay is more tactical in nature as the team overhauled the combo system which prompts players to make use of all the classes' talents.This reads like a quote, but isn't - I checked the source.
It was criticized for being a too predictable and formulaic hero journey.Delete "too".
The team aimed to create art that are "memorable" and stylistic as they addressed a shortcoming of Origins where locales looked largely unremarkable.
As the game focuses on Hawke's family and their adventures in the world, to reflect this,Remove "to reflect this,".
Hawke must help Tallis infiltrate an Orlesian estate outside KirkwallOrlais is a little more than "outside Kirkwall."
Available at no cost to those who purchased a new copy of Dragon Age II,I know you're referring to the Dark Emporium, but it's not mentioned.
Critics had varied opinions on the game's dialogue system.Split this off part of paragraph three into another paragraph; it discusses a gameplay element, whereas previous prose discussed DA2's story.
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for anyone that feels like doing a write up, gameinformer has a couple of articles up on their website with early details ( first details + character details). 61.68.25.249 ( talk) 07:37, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
I have removed all references to Wikia as an unreliable source. Like all open Wikis, Wikia is open to editing by anyone, and cannot be accepted as a reliable source. Additionally, Wikia sites do not pass the "established expert" exception in WP:SPS; Wikia contributors are considered experts no more than are Wikipedia contributers. They are, rather, random people on the internet.
Yet further, it should not be used as a source even if it is reliable since all of their own content is sourced to other sites. If those sources are reliable, and they mostly are, then cite them. Someguy1221 ( talk) 23:40, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
There are several bits of repeated information. The page needs to be better organized, and there are some grammatical errors.-- FUNKAMATIC ~talk 18:57, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
There is only one entry under creatures and that is for something that only appears in the DLC. Can anyone fill in this section with more relevant creatures? Otherwise I think this section might as well be removed Lady of the dead ( talk) 18:36, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
There seems to be a formatting issue on this page. There's a massive gap after second paragraph in the Plot section. Makes people think the page hasn't loaded completely because everything else is below that gap - JohnP —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.231.90.179 ( talk) 04:46, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
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Here's some stuff that could be added to the Reception Section:
Also, one of those sites, RPG Site, has conducted an interview with the Voice Actor for the Male version of Hawke, the main character. He reveals that recording lasted all the way from June 2010 through til November 2010. That may come in handy for the "Production" section of the Wiki.
This game has already received a library of reviews since it's release earlier today. If you lock the topic, you are responsible for its continued growth. Either begin updating it with new information about its reception, or unlock it so that other people can edit it for you. Let's try to keep it the "Free" encyclopedia!
Thank you.
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Why is this page STILL locked? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.18.116.177 ( talk) 15:08, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
Terrible. I'm sorry but I would expect Wikipedia to be the last to lock this, it's received terrible scores from most but the top journalists and is thought by most to simply be paid off. Closing the Wiki page just furthers this idea overall.
A start with the Metacritic page (3.9/10 for User Reviews, 8.9/10 otherwise) is a good start. While there have been many troll reviewers giving it 1/10 simply to offset the people giving it absurd 10/10 when the game clearly isn't THAT great, it goes to show that the game isn't as good as the scores imply and locking this page definitely says a lot about wikipedia game articles and being influenced by outside parties. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pyro Fyr ( talk • contribs) 04:55, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
78.53.125.128 ( talk) 09:31, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
The last statement in the reception paragraph states that the game holds a user score of 3.0 on Metacritic. First off, there is no citation for this claim. Second off, I have read literally over a hundred articles related to video games, and not once have I ever seen the user score for Metacritic posted in the reception section. If the game did not meet your expectations that's fine, but why is the user score relevant in this article when its not in any other? (Note: The closest thing to a user score I have seen posted in an article was related to Modern Warfare 2's PC version due to its lack of Dedicated servers. - George. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.77.6.190 ( talk) 17:39, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
I've seen that a good portion of the reason for the 3.0 score is trolling and many more gave it a hyperbolic score of zero. Also, you better be damn prepared to back that claim up about the paying off, rumors don't qualify as reliable sources, and that's a huge accusation to make. It's locked because of vandalism to da max (The internet is freaking out over this game), not because Bioware paid anyone off. 99.110.54.111 ( talk) 03:21, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
Saying 4chan has any influence over a 25 million dollar game is ludicrous, apart from their trolls (which is nothing new) saying so. What evidence is there that backs up the claim that they have any effect on the score?
wait, you guys seriously think /b/ is doing this? how casual are you kids? its not the random board, the people up in arms are from /v/ the VIDEO GAME board, /b/ is too busy with its head up its arse to do anything nowadays expect look at porn. /v/ was disappointed in how bad DA2 was, both pirates and people who own the game seem to agree (for the most part) that the game sucked and was too linear due to bioware's attempt to rope in the CoD fanbase. alot of what /v/ has done is more or less gathered facts and poking fun at stanely woo for being so incompetent its not funny. and about the metacritic scores, there are only a few troll reviews, most of those poor scores come from people who have had hands on expereince with the game and were disappointed..DA2 was a step BACKWARDS...also HAI /v/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.252.14.195 ( talk) 13:28, 15 March 2011 (UTC) Regardless of where the reviews are coming from, it's not notable enough to put it here, especially if there's reason to suspect it's a trolling campaign. There are literally no other games where metacritic user scores are notable, and also it's suspicious that the user score on Gamespot is 8.3, compared to metacritic's 4.0. Also, please cite some damn sources if you're going to say something like the critics got paid off. Goddamn, people. Just because they disagree with you doesn't mean that they're paid off. 99.110.54.111 ( talk) 23:53, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
"The game currently holds a meta score of 8.2 across critics. However, this score has been badly skewed due to a 4chan orchestrated campaign of fake bad reviews accross multiple sites to 'try and bring Bioware down'"
What is the source for this currently unsourced and seemingly bizarre claim? Presumably 4chan can create bad user reviews but it can't influence the ratings of major site... DannyLee9 ( talk) 21:28, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
4Chan has been working yes, but many users are disappointed too, and no, it's not about a cat (thank you for being so edgy and hilarious. We all appreciated that). It's about Day One DLC's, removal of the things that made DA:O great, reusing the same areas over and over, graphics comparable to something from 2005, arrogance from the developers part, and several other such things. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.54.43.226 ( talk) 07:41, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
Maybe its just a shit game? All professional reviews have been average also.
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The game has SecuROM and EA's online DRM ( http://www.reclaimyourgame.com/content.php?769-Evaluation-Report-Dragon-Age-2). Being banned from EA Community (which can happen for forum activity) will also prevent you from activating your purchased copy of Dragon Age II: this has happened at least once ( http://digg.com/news/gaming/bioware_forum_bans_affect_access_to_your_game). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.234.187.167 ( talk) 02:16, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
"Dragon Age II has a non-linear framed narrative story, mainly based on the protagonist's choices"
Its a linear game there's really only one large path though the game.
DID BIOWARE WRITE THIS LINE because it sounds more like an ad then a professional wiki entry!
Atlantic45235432 ( talk) 03:39, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
I have to agree. This game is linear. It gives you the illusion that it's non linear, but no matter how you play the game you'll end up in the same place in the end. I imagine a better way to phrase it would be to remove the "non" part. Tommkin ( talk) 13:48, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
I agree, I don't see anything NON-linear about the game. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.196.128.59 ( talk) 22:49, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
I agree, but you could do a little better job reforming your emotions when saying it.. The game, save for a few minor choices plays essentially the same regardless of what the player chooses. You get the same ending results and with no epilogue as DA:O had. The ending , after all your 'choices' in the game add up to offer 0-3 optional minor battles depending on who you made friends with during the game
Unrelated to the discussion at hand but please do not change people's signatures while making your own edits. -- 生け 花 15:08, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
I've noticed in the history of this article that many edits trying to make the article more neutral, including some of the less great perception it recieved such as the metacritic user scores, have been reverted. Was there any reason for this?
I've also noticed that the entire article is written in the game's favor, and some opinions are written as if they were facts. I don't know about you people, but this article almost seems like propaganda to me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.179.10.6 ( talk) 13:28, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
4chan action (if it even happened) is a "raid" only in EA/BioWare's twisted mind. Let's face the truth: people that come to 4chan are normal users just like everyone else and have the same right to have their voice represented. It's not like they are all bots of some evil hacker. Every one of them is a person, and if they feel that the game deserves to be rated 0, then I can't see how their rating is any less credible than the rating of someone who heard about Metacritic on a Xbox forum and came to rate the game 10. Furthermore, you can't claim that the result is skewed because the reviewers were somehow organized, because if you claim that, you'd need to discard every user rating given to a game after someone posts the link to metacritic on a forum and calls everyone else to vote for or against the game. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.178.201.97 ( talk) 08:01, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
Speaking of non-neutral: "though it is unclear if Hoban acted on his own behest or on that of the company." So, on no evidence, we're going to plant the idea that a major corporation commanded a single engineer (not a PR guy) to post a positive anonymous user review on a website? Leave stuff like this out altogether. If a reader wants to draw that conclusion from the facts, that's his prerogative, but it isn't the prerogative of an encyclopedia to try to plant ideas with weaselly language like this. 66.43.217.34 ( talk) 16:37, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
Parts of the "DRM controversy" section is based on false information. There is no SecuROM in the game, and there is no controversy. Rather, the game uses/used a program called Release Control to make a simple release date check. The program deletes itself once the check is done. It's clarified by the developers here; http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/141/index/6509752. Please rectify this and rename the section. -- 77.215.75.103 ( talk) 15:16, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
Should this be in the sentance after the "sold your soul to the EA devil" line "BioWare's slanteye Stanley Woo replied"? I am referring to the slanteye part of that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.98.4.11 ( talk) 06:49, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
[1] So I think with this it can be added to the article.-- MyMoloboaccount ( talk) 22:46, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
Also here are news that Bioware employee supposedly posted good reviews of DA2 as a user,: [3], [4]-- MyMoloboaccount ( talk) 09:07, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
Seeing as how Brent Knowles (the lead designer of DA1) is mentioned in this article, I feel it might be appropriate to add a note about his own impression of the game which can be found here; http://blog.brentknowles.com/2011/03/14/dragon-age-2-demo/comment-page-1/#comment-2491. Consider adding the following: "After playing the game's demo, he praised how polished and immersive it was, but mentioned that its combat had identity issues and did not seem to fit properly into neither the action nor RPG genre. In an overall assessment he felt that it was a strong title, especially considering the short development cycle, and called the demo "promising", though the amount of changes from the first title in the series seemed excessive to him, citing gameplay issues and the lack of ability to play as another race than human." -- 77.215.75.103 ( talk) 20:47, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
Someone edited in that Brent Knowles said that BioWare is "not what it used to be". This quote is nowhere to be found in the source, so it's either blatantly false or, hopefully, simply taken from another article than the one linked. To whoever did it, please be advised that when one uses quotation marks, one can only post direct quotes, and blatantly misquoting is actually somewhat of a serious matter. Someone, please delete the quote in question until a proper source is attributed to it.
Generally, the section's wording makes his leaving sound somewhat more dire than it was. In a later blog entry, he actually goes on to downplay the DA2 aspect of it all a bit; "I never thought Dragon Age 2 would be a terrible game. It was just that a highly cinematic, action-leaning RPG wasn’t what I wanted to work on. That is all."
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Page is under heavy siege from IP vandalism, once more. Temporary semi-protection has been requested. -- Rogington ( talk) 16:56, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
I can't see the review from this site. Review is found at the following address: http://www.videogamessuck.com/review437.html Please rectify this oversight asap. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Karnagewaim ( talk • contribs) 13:42, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
Right, so ever since the semi-protection was lifted once again, the article has been sabotaged by anonymous IPs on a near-daily basis. Unfortunately this wasn't deemed enough to warrant indefinite semi-protection, so I'll be withdrawing my support and contributions to the article as long as we have to put up with continuously reverting their trolling, not to mention the constant risk of yet another deliberate 4chan mass raid.
If any serious editors still feel like contributing, the reception section in particular has become a travesty filled with excessively negative bias. Having it broken up into positive/negative sections, for instance, is not proper wikipedia etiquette. Many of the sources in the section also fail to meet the wikipedia requirements for notability and are generally unreliable and quite obviously added only to further push this negative agenda - including some that were, in fact, outright turned down previously on this talk page. Frankly, the whole reception would be better off being reverted back to the state it was in before someone broke it up into positive/negative sections, keeping only a few of the recently added phrases and statements (those with reliable sources from notable and professional websites). Good luck, and have fun :) -- Rogington2 ( talk) 01:29, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
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Plot summary includes disclaimer that because the main character can be either gender, for the purpose of writing the summary male gender will be used, however, gender exclusivity is not necessary for proper writing and is not preferable. Recommend removal of all gender exclusive pronouns in reference to Hawke for this reason.
Such pronouns could be removed by using different nouns (i.e. Hawke, the future Champion, the Champion of Kirkwall, the Hero (or breaking the fourth wall, the Player Character)), simple rewrite to sentence structure (such as "Hawke and HIS family" to "Hawke and family" or "With family in tow, Hawke" or "Accompinied by the Hawke family, the future champion of Kirkwall), or even at times the simple removal of the pronoun itself.
Changing this would enable the removal of the before mentioned disclaimer, which breaks the flow and detracts from the purpose of the article itself.
204.69.40.101 ( talk) 16:52, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
These are both surrounding the DLC & patching of the game.
http://www.gamebanshee.com/news/102355-drm-run-amok-how-bioware-and-ea-are-screwing-users.html http://www.gamebanshee.com/news/102659-has-ea-ruined-bioware.html
I should think that having to connect to their severs to play in single player mode would be controversial enough. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.17.134.7 ( talk) 22:38, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
Stanley's 'End of Rine' Woo? Seriously guys? And no one's ever removed that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.120.65.238 ( talk) 09:25, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
I suspect that sooner or later will be noticed the similiarities between the end-game plot and recent events in RL and the controversies section became rather big... Best regards from Italy, dott.Piergiorgio ( talk) 13:14, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
The DLC section is to use Wikipedia terminology, a stub.
This dragon age wiki contains a more or less comprehensive list of DLC's and bonus items. http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Downloadable_content_%28Dragon_Age_II%29
I know that the dragon age wikia is not accepted as a reference because its also a wiki but it does cite its sources so you could use it as a stepping stone
anyway, from the official dragon age site, here is the bonus item list
http://dragonage.bioware.com/da2/info/bonus_items/
So I suggest that someone add at least the bonus item list to the DLC section of this wiki page — Preceding
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Um, the System Requirements bit in the "Development" section only covers Windows computers. Macs have system requirements too, and not the same as Windows, so a Mac sys requirements bit would be extrememly helpful. Spirit Stiff ( talk) 12:15, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
Hmm, given the sudden revision I'd have to assume there is still an issue regarding fan reception via Metacritic. Now the problem I see is that there is nothing notable about as just a statement that implies a legitimate counter to critical views. For example in the article for Portal 2, the Metacritic reception was noted for reasons that were expanded upon towards the end of the article. Otherwise, the mention of the score seems pointless given in the past a fan reception wasn't notable just by itself. Stabby Joe ( talk) 16:04, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
FleetCommand, your assertion that "companions with full rivalry will desert Hawke in the final battle" is not true. They will desert him if their rivalry or friendship is not 100% and they don't support your choice of sides. Once they reach 100% on either friendship or rivalry, they are fully loyal to you, for opposite reasons, of course, (that's the point of the rivalry system – you can consciously work either towards full friendship OR full rivalry and make them loyal to you) and will follow you into the final battle:
"Any dissenters that are not fully loyal to you (either maximum friendship or rivalry) will then leave your party if you press ahead with a choice that they do not support."
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I know I'm quoting from a wiki, but I doubt you'll find a quoteable source for your assertion. Either we correct the sentence or it has to go. --
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While interesting, it looks like it's pretty much all subjective interpretation and analysis by a Wiki-user. If they can find some evidence to back their analysis with commentary from creators or reputable critics it probably could stay. As it is, the section seems to fall into the realm of subjective and original content and should probably be deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Totallyprocrastinating ( talk • contribs) 22:16, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
Hello
I thought you guys wanted to delete the section. (And I accepted that it was a stupid contribution of mine and consented.) Is there anything wrong? Policy or otherwise?
Best regards,
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19:54, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
A potential source you may want to incorporate: Maker’s Breath. Religion, Magic, and the ‘Godless’ World of BioWare’s Dragon Age II (2011) Kristin M.S. Bezio czar ♔ 05:53, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
Does anyone else think this game is an open world game? I don't even think Dragon Age Origins is open world really (since you are blocked from going to locations until they are marked on your map) but I won't revert editor ECW28's additions there since the point is arguable in that game. Dragon Age II, which takes place in a single city and small handful of other zones, is certainly NOT open world. Unless there is a reliable source which refers to the game as open world, I completely disagree. Caidh ( talk) 00:39, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
There are a half-dozen or so links to disambiguation (dab) pages in this article. I have fixed one of them, but fixing others will require knowledge of the sources. To see which links go to dab pages, go to Preferences -> Gadgets and enable the gadget called "Display links to disambiguation pages in orange". – Jonesey95 ( talk) 15:09, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
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I am a fan of the Dragon Age universe. Dragon Age II is my favorite game in the series. Truly, it is my pleasure to review this article.
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(who wields a shield and a melee weapon including maces and swords)Warrior main here. I would change this to:
(who wields a melee weapon in both hands, or with a shield)
For instance, players can customize a companion's stance to aggressive, [...]To be aggressive? Companions can also be defensive, if I recall correctly.
Health, injuriesMOS:OVERLINK, de-link.
after all the enemiesRemove "the".
There are five types of items: weapons and armors, crafting recipes, runes, plot items and consumables.I clearly remember picking up and selling an ocean of garbage from every box and sack in Kirkwall...
Companions' armors cannot be changed, [...]A companion's appearance can change dramatically if fully romanced. Fenris gets that red ribbon, Isabela gets some new duds, Merill's outfit turns white, etc.
Skills such as lock picking for rogues are unlocked automatically when a certain level is reached.Lockpicking, as the source confirms, is dependent on your Cunning score. Locks scale by difficulty in intervals of 10.
[...] to the city of Kirkwall.Expand to "city-state," as per the lore.
and the center of events that change the course of Thedas.Continents generally move very, very slowly and very free of human action. History, maybe?
Also,Delete.
with Sebastian for a female Hawke.Only for a female hawk, as opposed to the other four.
after which the family takes up residence in the city's Lowtown.With good old Uncle Gamlen!
enabling them to relocate to a mansion in Hightown.It is worth mentioning that Hawke, by right of blood, owns that mansion. Gamlen and his deeds are pivotal to the (early) story anyway and should be recounted.
BioWare's Edmonton office developed Dragon Age II beginning during the production of Dragon Age: Origins - Awakening.Consider:
BioWare's Edmonton office began development of Dragon Age II during the production of Dragon Age: Origins - Awakening.
Laidlaw added the gameplay is more tactical in nature as the team overhauled the combo system which prompts players to make use of all the classes' talents.This reads like a quote, but isn't - I checked the source.
It was criticized for being a too predictable and formulaic hero journey.Delete "too".
The team aimed to create art that are "memorable" and stylistic as they addressed a shortcoming of Origins where locales looked largely unremarkable.
As the game focuses on Hawke's family and their adventures in the world, to reflect this,Remove "to reflect this,".
Hawke must help Tallis infiltrate an Orlesian estate outside KirkwallOrlais is a little more than "outside Kirkwall."
Available at no cost to those who purchased a new copy of Dragon Age II,I know you're referring to the Dark Emporium, but it's not mentioned.
Critics had varied opinions on the game's dialogue system.Split this off part of paragraph three into another paragraph; it discusses a gameplay element, whereas previous prose discussed DA2's story.
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