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What is the point of the HD table? It would be a lot more simple to note the levels of power (from white to gold), and not add useless information that is inexplainable to thse who are not familiar with the system, and trivia for those who are.
For the record, having "mammal-like" limbs, rather than sprawling like most reptiles, is (or was) an important characteristic of dinosaurs.
You'll have to read Draconomicon to get the full details, but excerpts from the book do detail their feline-like attributes, which are listed in the article.
And dinosaurs were not reptiles. There are several major differences between a reptile and a dinosaur.
I added the "Books about dragons" section. Please help expand it. SpectrumDT 15:26, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
I can easily get ahold of illustrations of every major D&D dragon type. Should I do so, or might WotC decide to take issue with that? I have a drawing of a silver dragon that isn't in any official books, and I'm going to go ahead and upload that. Rogue 9 05:26, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
I think that Dragons getting stronger as they get older is based on crocidiles growing until they die should this be mentioned ? Rubedeau 20:41, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
What is the scource of the comment at the end of dragon biology about half-dragons being abominations? Horrific Grammar aside it makes no sence. Regshoe 20:45, 19 June 2006 (BST)
Should fang and shadow dragons continue to be classified as Faerunian dragons, considering that they most recently appear in the non-setting specific Draconomicon supplement? CCShade 15:45, 28 July 2006 (EST)
AD&D Dragons are noteworthy and each major color and metal deserves a page of its own. Like Red Dragon (Dungeons & Dragons) and Green Dragon (Dungeons & Dragons). Please help to complete a page for each. - Peregrinefisher 06:12, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
I concur. There is a lot more information such as anatomical differences and more indepth descriptions + stats that could be added. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.110.196.48 ( talk) 07:03, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
Even if the Steel and Mercury dragons aren't considered true 'metallic' dragons, they should at least be on the table. Seems like anything on the table should be any kind of 'true' dragon, that is, ANY dragon with listed age categories in its recent game-stat listings. AFAIK, they've had those in this edition.
Alex 'Leonidus' Krumwiede 09:46, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
Please format the following references & remove them from this list when complete.-- Robbstrd 00:01, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Where do Hellfire Wyrms (Monster Manual III, I think, but don't quote me) fit in as far as dragon classification? Or at least, shouldn't they be mentioned somehow? They strike me as much too powerful to not note. Xiphe 03:11, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
I know these guys have been in dnd based novel settings. I believe you will find one in one of the new year of the dragons Forgotten Realms (Faerûnian) novels —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.110.196.48 ( talk) 07:06, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
a Gold dragon has a maximum weight of 1,280,000 pounds? This is not really dubious, it is ludicrous. Cheers, Jack Merridew 10:09, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
( Personal attack by SPA Giftitem ( talk · contribs) removed by Jéské ( v^_^v :L13 ½-Raichu Soulknife))
I don't think adding citations to an article with a heavy in universe perspective will improve it at all. I think that the in universe content, such as the descriptions and statistics should be edited out, and the remaining content converted into a list. -- Gavin Collins ( talk) 08:49, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
Gavin, I'm strongly recommending that this article be re-written to show how dragons were developed for the game and how their base characteristics evolved with the different editions. It could include some publication history like "In the AD&D 1st Edition Monster Manual, five chromatic dragons (black, blue, green, red, and white) and five metallic dragons (brass, bronze, copper, gold, and silver) were detailed, along with their respective rulers, Tiamat the Chromatic Dragon and Bahamut the Platinum Dragon..." Ravin' Ray ( talk) 03:46, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
This article should be deleted until it can be significantly improved 75.68.225.211 ( talk) 22:05, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
this article should be gutted. section one, "dragon classification," says everything wiki needs to say on the subject, and the rest should be kicked to the curb. pauli133 ( talk) 06:20, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure that this article is currently miscategorizing some true dragons, listing them with non-true dragons instead of listing them under the true dragons subheading. Also, I think we should include a definition of true dragon, and divide the "types of dragons" section into four subsections: true dragons, lesser dragons, dragonkin and unknown dragon status. -- Gordon Ecker ( talk) 03:17, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
Okay, so obviously this page is really messy, and it seems like a lot of it has not been updated to fourth edition, which I think improves (or at least streamlines) overall categorization. How do we feel about reorganizing the page to fit better with the fourth edition types, and what do we then do about types of dragons that haven't yet been introduced to fourth? Ashre ( talk) 16:42, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
Having examined the sources, as far as I can tell, these terms were introducted in the 2nd edition Monstrous Manual. The 1974 white box, and the first D&D basic set which drew directly upon the original, didn't even have all of the "Advanced" dragon types. The word "metallic", again to the best of my knowledge, isn't even used in either edition, and the word "Chromatic" is used only as an honorific title to describe Tiamat herself and not her children (it can be assumed, fairly enough, that later writers co-opted the term to describe the dragon types). The first edition Monster Manual also drew directly upon original D&D, and added additional types so that both the good and evil dragons now stood at five each. They were not grouped into categories as such, and each type was listed alphabetically (black first, then blue, brass, bronze, copper, gold, green...), and in early second edition the Monstrous Compendium did not innovate on this approach. As far as I can tell, the Monstrous Manual was the first book to explicitly use the terms "chromatic" and "metallic" to describe the two types, and to group them into categories. I think it's dipping a little into original research to start describing them using these terms in older editions, when the books themselves did not use these terms. I'll concede that using the word "dragon dragon dragon" over and over is probably excessive, but if we want to trim words the better way to do that is to just say "the black, white, red, and gold dragon" rather than try to lump them into categories which weren't invented for another nearly 20 years. I can re-examine the sources and report back exactly what I find, if that would help. 24.148.0.83 ( talk) 14:25, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
This article is a sprawling mess. It's poorly written in places, and includes way too many details in an unclear way. I just finished removing some unofficial material from this article, as well as trying to make one section make sense, though there remains a lot of work to be done.
One major issue this article has is the way it bounces back and forth between editions. I recommend that we have a section divided by edition in order to talk about the characteristics of dragons. In addition, rather than elaborately detailing each dragon, we should have a simple chart that shows which editions it has appeared in, and in which publications of that edition. (Alignment might be considered relevant as well.)
As it stands, this article is almost unreadable, and also tends to neglect the 4th Edition perspective.-- 68.149.127.157 ( talk) 01:46, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
In 3.5 they do not have it. Can anyone check in 4 and all historical ones? Adding scent to the mix is common houserule here, but it's just that. 195.22.117.118 ( talk) 11:05, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Considering how all other D&D dragons are treated and the scant info on the Shadow Dragon stub, should it be merged into this page? mattpersons 16:17, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
In the biology section of the article, it mentions that a humanoid creature breeding with a dragon will produce a “Half dragon”, which just sounds like a Dragonborn. I would add a link to the Dragonborn article but I don’t know how to do it AmazingFerret ( talk) 23:20, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
@BOZ: so far as I can tell, a bot saw repeated subjects and just combined them, effectively deleting the entire article AmazingFerret ( talk) 00:40, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
Name | Kind | Age | Sex | Area(s) | Status | As of |
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Amaeraszantha | Amethyst | Great wyrm | F | Tempus's Tears | Living | 1374 DR [1] |
Amrennathed
"Queen of the Mountain" |
Amethyst | Great wyrm | F | Alaoreum, Turmish | Dead | 1367 DR [1] |
Astanalan | Emerald | Adult | M | Murghôm | Living | 1479 DR [2] |
Behrshimmer | Emerald | Wyrm | F | Lake of Snows, Giant's Run Mountain | Living | 1374 DR [1] |
Bleucorundum
"The Sapphire Sentinel" |
Sapphire | Very old | M | Halls of the Sleeping Legion, Omlarandin Mountains | Living | 1374 DR [3] |
Domborcojh | Sapphire | Adult | M | Murghôm | Living | 1479 DR [2] |
Eldenser
"The Worm Who Hides in Blades" |
Amethyst (brass) | Great wyrm | M | — | Living | 1374 DR [1] |
Esmerandanna | Emerald | Great wyrm | F | Peaks of Flame, Chult | Living | 1374 DR [1] |
Felrivenser
"Gembright" |
Amethyst | Ancient | F | Channel Lock, Narrow Sea | Dead | 1374 DR
[1]
(-645 DR) |
Iltharagh
"Golden Night" |
Topaz
(dracolich) |
Very old | M | Ice Floe | Undead | 1374 DR [1] |
Kisonraathiisar | Topaz | Wyrm | M | Westgate | Dead | -349 DR [4] |
Klaruuotur | Crystal | Ancient | M | Forest of Mir | Living | 1374 DR [4] |
Kraxx | Topaz | Mature adult | F | Wild Coast, Chult | Living | 1374 DR [1] |
Krustalanos | Crystal | Very old | M | Northwest Faerûn | Dead | 1374 DR [1] |
Llemgradac | Emerald | — | M | Murghôm | Dead | 1479 DR [2] |
Malaeragoth
"The Dragon Unseen" |
Sapphire | Very old | M | Underdark beneath Graypeak Mountains | Living | 1374 DR [1] |
Nolalothcaragascint
"Nolaloth" |
Crystal | Great wyrm | M | Sword Coast North | Dead | 1374 DR [1] |
Raulothim
"The Silent Shadow" "Wyrm of Axard" |
Emerald | Great wyrm | M | Axard, Ruathym | Living | 1374 DR [5] |
Saryndalaghlothtor
"Lady Gemcloak" |
Crystal | Adult | F | Crags, Mirabar | Living | 1374 DR [1] |
Sh'derra D'zeer | Amethyst | Young | F | Highstar Lake | Living | 1374 DR [1] |
Vercevoran | Emerald | Very old | M | Moonsea | Living | 1374 DR [1] |
Yiarni | Crystal | Adult | F | Thunder Peaks | Living | 1374 DR [1] |
Just removed the above table. It is entirely focused on the gem dragons of a single setting (Forgotten Realms) & not dragons across D&D. I don't think we need this table in the article since it lacks secondary sources indicating why these dragons standout more than other named dragons across D&D. Sariel Xilo ( talk) 14:22, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
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Chromatic dragon was nominated for deletion. The discussion was closed on 12 December 2019 with a consensus to merge. Its contents were merged into Dragon (Dungeons & Dragons). The original page is now a redirect to this page. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected article, please see its history; for its talk page, see here. |
Metallic dragon was nominated for deletion. The discussion was closed on 12 December 2019 with a consensus to merge. Its contents were merged into Dragon (Dungeons & Dragons). The original page is now a redirect to this page. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected article, please see its history; for its talk page, see here. |
Gem dragon was nominated for deletion. The discussion was closed on 6 November 2019 with a consensus to merge. Its contents were merged into Dragon (Dungeons & Dragons). The original page is now a redirect to this page. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected article, please see its history; for its talk page, see here. |
Pseudodragon was nominated for deletion. The discussion was closed on 31 December 2016 with a consensus to merge. Its contents were merged into Dragon (Dungeons & Dragons). The original page is now a redirect to this page. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected article, please see its history; for its talk page, see here. |
Steel dragon was nominated for deletion. The discussion was closed on 13 September 2013 with a consensus to merge. Its contents were merged into Dragon (Dungeons & Dragons). The original page is now a redirect to this page. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected article, please see its history; for its talk page, see here. |
Text and/or other creative content from Dragon (Dungeons & Dragons) was copied or moved into Gem dragon (Dungeons & Dragons) with this edit. The former page's history now serves to provide attribution for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted as long as the latter page exists. |
What is the point of the HD table? It would be a lot more simple to note the levels of power (from white to gold), and not add useless information that is inexplainable to thse who are not familiar with the system, and trivia for those who are.
For the record, having "mammal-like" limbs, rather than sprawling like most reptiles, is (or was) an important characteristic of dinosaurs.
You'll have to read Draconomicon to get the full details, but excerpts from the book do detail their feline-like attributes, which are listed in the article.
And dinosaurs were not reptiles. There are several major differences between a reptile and a dinosaur.
I added the "Books about dragons" section. Please help expand it. SpectrumDT 15:26, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
I can easily get ahold of illustrations of every major D&D dragon type. Should I do so, or might WotC decide to take issue with that? I have a drawing of a silver dragon that isn't in any official books, and I'm going to go ahead and upload that. Rogue 9 05:26, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
I think that Dragons getting stronger as they get older is based on crocidiles growing until they die should this be mentioned ? Rubedeau 20:41, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
What is the scource of the comment at the end of dragon biology about half-dragons being abominations? Horrific Grammar aside it makes no sence. Regshoe 20:45, 19 June 2006 (BST)
Should fang and shadow dragons continue to be classified as Faerunian dragons, considering that they most recently appear in the non-setting specific Draconomicon supplement? CCShade 15:45, 28 July 2006 (EST)
AD&D Dragons are noteworthy and each major color and metal deserves a page of its own. Like Red Dragon (Dungeons & Dragons) and Green Dragon (Dungeons & Dragons). Please help to complete a page for each. - Peregrinefisher 06:12, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
I concur. There is a lot more information such as anatomical differences and more indepth descriptions + stats that could be added. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.110.196.48 ( talk) 07:03, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
Even if the Steel and Mercury dragons aren't considered true 'metallic' dragons, they should at least be on the table. Seems like anything on the table should be any kind of 'true' dragon, that is, ANY dragon with listed age categories in its recent game-stat listings. AFAIK, they've had those in this edition.
Alex 'Leonidus' Krumwiede 09:46, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
Please format the following references & remove them from this list when complete.-- Robbstrd 00:01, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Where do Hellfire Wyrms (Monster Manual III, I think, but don't quote me) fit in as far as dragon classification? Or at least, shouldn't they be mentioned somehow? They strike me as much too powerful to not note. Xiphe 03:11, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
I know these guys have been in dnd based novel settings. I believe you will find one in one of the new year of the dragons Forgotten Realms (Faerûnian) novels —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.110.196.48 ( talk) 07:06, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
a Gold dragon has a maximum weight of 1,280,000 pounds? This is not really dubious, it is ludicrous. Cheers, Jack Merridew 10:09, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
( Personal attack by SPA Giftitem ( talk · contribs) removed by Jéské ( v^_^v :L13 ½-Raichu Soulknife))
I don't think adding citations to an article with a heavy in universe perspective will improve it at all. I think that the in universe content, such as the descriptions and statistics should be edited out, and the remaining content converted into a list. -- Gavin Collins ( talk) 08:49, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
Gavin, I'm strongly recommending that this article be re-written to show how dragons were developed for the game and how their base characteristics evolved with the different editions. It could include some publication history like "In the AD&D 1st Edition Monster Manual, five chromatic dragons (black, blue, green, red, and white) and five metallic dragons (brass, bronze, copper, gold, and silver) were detailed, along with their respective rulers, Tiamat the Chromatic Dragon and Bahamut the Platinum Dragon..." Ravin' Ray ( talk) 03:46, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
This article should be deleted until it can be significantly improved 75.68.225.211 ( talk) 22:05, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
this article should be gutted. section one, "dragon classification," says everything wiki needs to say on the subject, and the rest should be kicked to the curb. pauli133 ( talk) 06:20, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure that this article is currently miscategorizing some true dragons, listing them with non-true dragons instead of listing them under the true dragons subheading. Also, I think we should include a definition of true dragon, and divide the "types of dragons" section into four subsections: true dragons, lesser dragons, dragonkin and unknown dragon status. -- Gordon Ecker ( talk) 03:17, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
Okay, so obviously this page is really messy, and it seems like a lot of it has not been updated to fourth edition, which I think improves (or at least streamlines) overall categorization. How do we feel about reorganizing the page to fit better with the fourth edition types, and what do we then do about types of dragons that haven't yet been introduced to fourth? Ashre ( talk) 16:42, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
Having examined the sources, as far as I can tell, these terms were introducted in the 2nd edition Monstrous Manual. The 1974 white box, and the first D&D basic set which drew directly upon the original, didn't even have all of the "Advanced" dragon types. The word "metallic", again to the best of my knowledge, isn't even used in either edition, and the word "Chromatic" is used only as an honorific title to describe Tiamat herself and not her children (it can be assumed, fairly enough, that later writers co-opted the term to describe the dragon types). The first edition Monster Manual also drew directly upon original D&D, and added additional types so that both the good and evil dragons now stood at five each. They were not grouped into categories as such, and each type was listed alphabetically (black first, then blue, brass, bronze, copper, gold, green...), and in early second edition the Monstrous Compendium did not innovate on this approach. As far as I can tell, the Monstrous Manual was the first book to explicitly use the terms "chromatic" and "metallic" to describe the two types, and to group them into categories. I think it's dipping a little into original research to start describing them using these terms in older editions, when the books themselves did not use these terms. I'll concede that using the word "dragon dragon dragon" over and over is probably excessive, but if we want to trim words the better way to do that is to just say "the black, white, red, and gold dragon" rather than try to lump them into categories which weren't invented for another nearly 20 years. I can re-examine the sources and report back exactly what I find, if that would help. 24.148.0.83 ( talk) 14:25, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
This article is a sprawling mess. It's poorly written in places, and includes way too many details in an unclear way. I just finished removing some unofficial material from this article, as well as trying to make one section make sense, though there remains a lot of work to be done.
One major issue this article has is the way it bounces back and forth between editions. I recommend that we have a section divided by edition in order to talk about the characteristics of dragons. In addition, rather than elaborately detailing each dragon, we should have a simple chart that shows which editions it has appeared in, and in which publications of that edition. (Alignment might be considered relevant as well.)
As it stands, this article is almost unreadable, and also tends to neglect the 4th Edition perspective.-- 68.149.127.157 ( talk) 01:46, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
In 3.5 they do not have it. Can anyone check in 4 and all historical ones? Adding scent to the mix is common houserule here, but it's just that. 195.22.117.118 ( talk) 11:05, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Considering how all other D&D dragons are treated and the scant info on the Shadow Dragon stub, should it be merged into this page? mattpersons 16:17, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
In the biology section of the article, it mentions that a humanoid creature breeding with a dragon will produce a “Half dragon”, which just sounds like a Dragonborn. I would add a link to the Dragonborn article but I don’t know how to do it AmazingFerret ( talk) 23:20, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
@BOZ: so far as I can tell, a bot saw repeated subjects and just combined them, effectively deleting the entire article AmazingFerret ( talk) 00:40, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
Name | Kind | Age | Sex | Area(s) | Status | As of |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Amaeraszantha | Amethyst | Great wyrm | F | Tempus's Tears | Living | 1374 DR [1] |
Amrennathed
"Queen of the Mountain" |
Amethyst | Great wyrm | F | Alaoreum, Turmish | Dead | 1367 DR [1] |
Astanalan | Emerald | Adult | M | Murghôm | Living | 1479 DR [2] |
Behrshimmer | Emerald | Wyrm | F | Lake of Snows, Giant's Run Mountain | Living | 1374 DR [1] |
Bleucorundum
"The Sapphire Sentinel" |
Sapphire | Very old | M | Halls of the Sleeping Legion, Omlarandin Mountains | Living | 1374 DR [3] |
Domborcojh | Sapphire | Adult | M | Murghôm | Living | 1479 DR [2] |
Eldenser
"The Worm Who Hides in Blades" |
Amethyst (brass) | Great wyrm | M | — | Living | 1374 DR [1] |
Esmerandanna | Emerald | Great wyrm | F | Peaks of Flame, Chult | Living | 1374 DR [1] |
Felrivenser
"Gembright" |
Amethyst | Ancient | F | Channel Lock, Narrow Sea | Dead | 1374 DR
[1]
(-645 DR) |
Iltharagh
"Golden Night" |
Topaz
(dracolich) |
Very old | M | Ice Floe | Undead | 1374 DR [1] |
Kisonraathiisar | Topaz | Wyrm | M | Westgate | Dead | -349 DR [4] |
Klaruuotur | Crystal | Ancient | M | Forest of Mir | Living | 1374 DR [4] |
Kraxx | Topaz | Mature adult | F | Wild Coast, Chult | Living | 1374 DR [1] |
Krustalanos | Crystal | Very old | M | Northwest Faerûn | Dead | 1374 DR [1] |
Llemgradac | Emerald | — | M | Murghôm | Dead | 1479 DR [2] |
Malaeragoth
"The Dragon Unseen" |
Sapphire | Very old | M | Underdark beneath Graypeak Mountains | Living | 1374 DR [1] |
Nolalothcaragascint
"Nolaloth" |
Crystal | Great wyrm | M | Sword Coast North | Dead | 1374 DR [1] |
Raulothim
"The Silent Shadow" "Wyrm of Axard" |
Emerald | Great wyrm | M | Axard, Ruathym | Living | 1374 DR [5] |
Saryndalaghlothtor
"Lady Gemcloak" |
Crystal | Adult | F | Crags, Mirabar | Living | 1374 DR [1] |
Sh'derra D'zeer | Amethyst | Young | F | Highstar Lake | Living | 1374 DR [1] |
Vercevoran | Emerald | Very old | M | Moonsea | Living | 1374 DR [1] |
Yiarni | Crystal | Adult | F | Thunder Peaks | Living | 1374 DR [1] |
Just removed the above table. It is entirely focused on the gem dragons of a single setting (Forgotten Realms) & not dragons across D&D. I don't think we need this table in the article since it lacks secondary sources indicating why these dragons standout more than other named dragons across D&D. Sariel Xilo ( talk) 14:22, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
References