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This seems a bit confusing: "a wolf then emerges through the blizzard and attacks him. However, the wolf merely keeps him warm and alive until help arrives." If the wolf does indeed attack Harker, it doesn't "merely" keep Harker warm. Attacking someone is a bit more than just keeping them warm and alive. I suggest this should be rephrased. - 95.34.0.173 ( talk) 15:10, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
Bram Stoker's great-grand-nephew Dacre Stoker and direct-to-DVD-Slasher-film-writer Ian Holt's sequel "The Undead" is only one of many many so-called sequels to "Dracula." As Dracula is public doman, Dacre and Holt have no more claim to the title of 'actual sequal' than any other writers. I think it is wrong to include their book and no others in this article. Perhaps the best thing would be to move any mention of any so-called 'sequels' to the "Dracula in Pop Culture" article. BoosterBronze ( talk) 21:20, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
I agree, I think at least we should move the external link for the undead site from the dracula page to the dracula undead page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.73.190.249 ( talk) 19:17, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
The section on BACKGROUND of the novel "Dracula" doesn't need to include any refrence to a distant relative of Stoker's attempt to write a sequel a century later. It's irrelevant and gives undue weight to the otherwise hardly notable novel "Dracula The Undead." BoosterBronze ( talk) 15:54, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
It says clearly in the "Search for Dracula" book, and in Romania, the Romanians themselves attest that the proper diminutive is Draculea and not Dracula. Dracula would be the feminine version. I know this wont change the article or suddenly cause all the books and movies to be re-written or retitled. It is a spelling error similar to the one for Aluminum Aluminium, one that caught on and now we're stuck with it. i only bring it up because it's a FACT and this is supposed to be an encyclopedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.113.49.126 ( talk) 19:37, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
Yes and no. In modern Romanian, the epithet is styled as "Drăculea", but since in 14th century Romanian was written in Cyrillic, let alone the lack of standard orthography, there were various possibilities to write it in Latin, e. g. "Dragwlya", "Dracola", or - AFAIK the most common form - "Dracula". The latter form was used in Latin as well as in Slavic (as "Дракула") as you can see here and here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Socius sociologicus ( talk • contribs) 08:41, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
I'm responding to a comment left by an anon editor on my talk page here. Evidently this editor is unhappy about the inclusion of the ROI in the bio box, since the ROI did not exist at the time the novel was published. Perhaps we can have a brief discussion as to how to deal with this info. I feel that the addition of this geographical detail is useful, since Stoker was born in what is now the ROI. There has been an earlier discussion here, but this didn't seem to address this specific issue. Any thoughts? Thanks. Malljaja ( talk) 01:35, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
In reference to the current disagreement over the amendments made to the Dracula's Guest section (made by me), and in response to MarnetteD's queries, allow me to elucidate. Using "Englishman" is more correct than "Harker" because there is an age-old debate as to whether or not the character in the story IS actually Jonathan Harker. There is no conclusive answer, so using the non-specific "Englishman" is best. Using the word "vampiress" is not essential, but it is a term used freely in the Gothic/horror genre nowadays and I thought it was appropriate where I used it. However, the most important amendment I made was regarding the apparition of the wolf to the Englishman in the wilderness. The former description was unspecific and somewhat inaccurate (the wolf did not "emerge through the blizzard" nor "attack" the Englishman). My amendment improved the accuracy of the description significantly, though I too made a minor error (describing the Englishman as being forced to sleep in the forest for the night, which now seems a slight exaggeration, as it was a brief period of unconsciousness lol.) However, I shall see to correcting this directly. 81.178.250.247 ( talk) 01:22, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
If there are users here who feel that the Dracula's Guest section is written in a "clunky" way (I felt it rude to say, but I thought the section was rather clumsily written when I first read it), then by all means do your best to de-clunkify it with your masterly skills in writing prose. But please do not simply revert it to a former version that contains inaccurate and missing details when I have made the effort to research and amend them. 81.178.250.247 ( talk) 03:24, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
We are not writing a best-selling novel here, but a concise synopsis of a short story in encyclopedic format. Therefore, issues such as "active subjects" and to whom the force is "unseen" seem quite pedantic and ultimately inconsequential. (By the way, isn't it obvious that the force is unseen by the character in the story? Realistically who else would it be referring to? And who is seriously going to scrutinise this in a synopsis anyway?) 217.206.76.157 ( talk) 15:39, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
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The number of films that include a reference to Dracula may reach as high as 649, according to the Internet Movie Database.
I have no idea what "include a reference" is supposed to mean exactly, and the passage doesn't tell me. Is it including Dracula as a character? Or just mentioning Dracula off-hand? Is it something else? This isn't very useful as is. Ekwos ( talk) 05:54, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
Poorly written. The verb tenses jump everywhere and the overall summary doesn't flow well. 76.10.151.90 ( talk) 05:07, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
I believe it is a relevant subject, the Smithsonian Channel is not the History Channel, there is no reason to assume because it's a television channel that it can't be historically accurate as it draws it's finding directly from the museum it is named after. 97.82.229.243 ( talk) 04:00, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
I am a high school student who has analyzed this story and Dracula's Guest in great depth. With many other English professors, I have concluded that the "Englishman" in Dracula's Guest is not Jonathan Harker, but Renfield. Renfield was the original lawyer for Dracula sent by Mr. Hawkins. But because Renfield went mad after realizing the power of Dracula, Mr. Hawkins sends Harker to do the job that Renfield assigned. I wish that an administrator edits the section about Dracula's Guest and cites my influence in the decision. 14:16 December 15,2012 (EST)
It occurs to me that people searching for "Dracula" are more likely to be interested in the character Count Dracula, than the novel. I propose changing the title of this article to "Dracula (novel)", and having "Dracula" redirect to either the aforementioned Count Dracula, or the Dracula disambiguation page.
Thoughts?
- Hatster301 ( talk) 04:58, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
This makes sense, and I support your suggestion. I'd wait a few more days before renaming the entry to offer time for others to weigh in as well. Malljaja ( talk) 17:47, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
Prefer to leave as is since the character derives from the novel, and the novel is a canonical work. -- Mervyn ( talk) 16:19, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
I agree with the proposal in theory, but I don't think that Count Dracula should be moved here. Rather, Dracula (disambiguation) should be moved here. While the character may be the single-best-known, as a character in a novel who is probably better-known through one or more of the novel's film adaptations, and also based on a real historical figure who actually had this name, he should still not be treated as the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. elvenscout742 ( talk) 07:13, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
Hey, I'm an editing n00b, so I'm not sure about this, but the introduction (short of the word "gothic") is word-for-word taken from the publisher's description given on this amazon page. Is this Kosher? Seems like plagiarism. Hyathin ( talk) 20:56, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
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Please change "Dracula has been assigned to many literary genres including..." to "Dracula has been assigned too many literary genres including..." in the first sentence of the second paragraph. (Typo) Folkspeak ( talk) 17:55, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
I'm not sure why the History Channel reference was removed, but clear advertising for an equally questionable book remains - and under its own section title no less! Does the author hold some kind of sway over the editing of this article? 99.239.72.120 ( talk) 02:49, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
Citing webpages about Ireland such as this one http://www.insideireland.com/sample13.htm is not appropriate. Neither is this: http://www.lookandlearn.com/blog/15364/count-dracula-first-visited-bram-stoker-in-a-nightmare/ A scholarly source needs to be cited not a random web page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.201.247.157 ( talk) 19:20, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
There is no scholarly source supporting the website's claims that Theodore Roosevelt directly suggested that Stoker write Dracula or any book about supernatural criminals. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.201.247.157 ( talk) 19:25, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
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Where are your sources that the setting of the novel is in the 1890s? If you take the entire logic of "Dracula" seriously, the last note is dated 7 years after the actual story. The novel (written as a collection of pseudo-sources) is published 1897, so the story happened before 1890. Second, in Chapter 8 is mentioned that at August 11th at 3 a. m. a full moon shines. Full moons on this specific day are obviously very rare. In the late 19th century, this happened three times: 8/11/1870, when the Orient Express (mentioned in Chapter 25) isn't even built. 8/11/1889, which is in my opinion the night, when Dracula bites Lucy the first time. 8/11/1897, when the novel is published already.
See here for lunar phases: https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/?year=1889&country=9 and https://www.timeanddate.com/moon/phases/@2634135?year=1889 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.231.51.111 ( talk) 14:44, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
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There may be another reason for the name Dracula besides transylavanian. The Irish words " Droch Fhoula" meaning 'Bad Blood', pronounced " Drok Ulla". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Suppity ( talk • contribs) 17:29, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
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Hi there, I work at The London Library and we recently discovered some of the notes made by Bram Stoker when researching Dracula so I'd like to include a section on this to the Wikipedia page, you can find out more here [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Charlotte bossick ( talk • contribs)
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This seems a bit confusing: "a wolf then emerges through the blizzard and attacks him. However, the wolf merely keeps him warm and alive until help arrives." If the wolf does indeed attack Harker, it doesn't "merely" keep Harker warm. Attacking someone is a bit more than just keeping them warm and alive. I suggest this should be rephrased. - 95.34.0.173 ( talk) 15:10, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
Bram Stoker's great-grand-nephew Dacre Stoker and direct-to-DVD-Slasher-film-writer Ian Holt's sequel "The Undead" is only one of many many so-called sequels to "Dracula." As Dracula is public doman, Dacre and Holt have no more claim to the title of 'actual sequal' than any other writers. I think it is wrong to include their book and no others in this article. Perhaps the best thing would be to move any mention of any so-called 'sequels' to the "Dracula in Pop Culture" article. BoosterBronze ( talk) 21:20, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
I agree, I think at least we should move the external link for the undead site from the dracula page to the dracula undead page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.73.190.249 ( talk) 19:17, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
The section on BACKGROUND of the novel "Dracula" doesn't need to include any refrence to a distant relative of Stoker's attempt to write a sequel a century later. It's irrelevant and gives undue weight to the otherwise hardly notable novel "Dracula The Undead." BoosterBronze ( talk) 15:54, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
It says clearly in the "Search for Dracula" book, and in Romania, the Romanians themselves attest that the proper diminutive is Draculea and not Dracula. Dracula would be the feminine version. I know this wont change the article or suddenly cause all the books and movies to be re-written or retitled. It is a spelling error similar to the one for Aluminum Aluminium, one that caught on and now we're stuck with it. i only bring it up because it's a FACT and this is supposed to be an encyclopedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.113.49.126 ( talk) 19:37, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
Yes and no. In modern Romanian, the epithet is styled as "Drăculea", but since in 14th century Romanian was written in Cyrillic, let alone the lack of standard orthography, there were various possibilities to write it in Latin, e. g. "Dragwlya", "Dracola", or - AFAIK the most common form - "Dracula". The latter form was used in Latin as well as in Slavic (as "Дракула") as you can see here and here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Socius sociologicus ( talk • contribs) 08:41, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
I'm responding to a comment left by an anon editor on my talk page here. Evidently this editor is unhappy about the inclusion of the ROI in the bio box, since the ROI did not exist at the time the novel was published. Perhaps we can have a brief discussion as to how to deal with this info. I feel that the addition of this geographical detail is useful, since Stoker was born in what is now the ROI. There has been an earlier discussion here, but this didn't seem to address this specific issue. Any thoughts? Thanks. Malljaja ( talk) 01:35, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
In reference to the current disagreement over the amendments made to the Dracula's Guest section (made by me), and in response to MarnetteD's queries, allow me to elucidate. Using "Englishman" is more correct than "Harker" because there is an age-old debate as to whether or not the character in the story IS actually Jonathan Harker. There is no conclusive answer, so using the non-specific "Englishman" is best. Using the word "vampiress" is not essential, but it is a term used freely in the Gothic/horror genre nowadays and I thought it was appropriate where I used it. However, the most important amendment I made was regarding the apparition of the wolf to the Englishman in the wilderness. The former description was unspecific and somewhat inaccurate (the wolf did not "emerge through the blizzard" nor "attack" the Englishman). My amendment improved the accuracy of the description significantly, though I too made a minor error (describing the Englishman as being forced to sleep in the forest for the night, which now seems a slight exaggeration, as it was a brief period of unconsciousness lol.) However, I shall see to correcting this directly. 81.178.250.247 ( talk) 01:22, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
If there are users here who feel that the Dracula's Guest section is written in a "clunky" way (I felt it rude to say, but I thought the section was rather clumsily written when I first read it), then by all means do your best to de-clunkify it with your masterly skills in writing prose. But please do not simply revert it to a former version that contains inaccurate and missing details when I have made the effort to research and amend them. 81.178.250.247 ( talk) 03:24, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
We are not writing a best-selling novel here, but a concise synopsis of a short story in encyclopedic format. Therefore, issues such as "active subjects" and to whom the force is "unseen" seem quite pedantic and ultimately inconsequential. (By the way, isn't it obvious that the force is unseen by the character in the story? Realistically who else would it be referring to? And who is seriously going to scrutinise this in a synopsis anyway?) 217.206.76.157 ( talk) 15:39, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
Because edit summaries are limited let me post here. I archived a large chunk of conversations, some that went as far back as 07, today. I know that there is a way to archive into the talkheader but I have never known how to do this. Thus, I added an archive box template - to be honest I actually prefer these because the archive in the talkheader can be missed with all of the other info that is there. If any of you don't like this and want to move archive #2 into the talkheader please feel free to do so. My second thought was "Do we want to set up a bot to arc-- JayJasper ( talk) 19:14, 6 October 2010 (UTC)hive this page automatically?" That would prevent having as many stale conversations on the page as I found today. I have never worked with these bots so if consensus is to use a bot please set this up with my thanks. MarnetteD | Talk 18:51, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
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I removed the following bit:
The number of films that include a reference to Dracula may reach as high as 649, according to the Internet Movie Database.
I have no idea what "include a reference" is supposed to mean exactly, and the passage doesn't tell me. Is it including Dracula as a character? Or just mentioning Dracula off-hand? Is it something else? This isn't very useful as is. Ekwos ( talk) 05:54, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
Poorly written. The verb tenses jump everywhere and the overall summary doesn't flow well. 76.10.151.90 ( talk) 05:07, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
I believe it is a relevant subject, the Smithsonian Channel is not the History Channel, there is no reason to assume because it's a television channel that it can't be historically accurate as it draws it's finding directly from the museum it is named after. 97.82.229.243 ( talk) 04:00, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
I am a high school student who has analyzed this story and Dracula's Guest in great depth. With many other English professors, I have concluded that the "Englishman" in Dracula's Guest is not Jonathan Harker, but Renfield. Renfield was the original lawyer for Dracula sent by Mr. Hawkins. But because Renfield went mad after realizing the power of Dracula, Mr. Hawkins sends Harker to do the job that Renfield assigned. I wish that an administrator edits the section about Dracula's Guest and cites my influence in the decision. 14:16 December 15,2012 (EST)
It occurs to me that people searching for "Dracula" are more likely to be interested in the character Count Dracula, than the novel. I propose changing the title of this article to "Dracula (novel)", and having "Dracula" redirect to either the aforementioned Count Dracula, or the Dracula disambiguation page.
Thoughts?
- Hatster301 ( talk) 04:58, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
This makes sense, and I support your suggestion. I'd wait a few more days before renaming the entry to offer time for others to weigh in as well. Malljaja ( talk) 17:47, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
Prefer to leave as is since the character derives from the novel, and the novel is a canonical work. -- Mervyn ( talk) 16:19, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
I agree with the proposal in theory, but I don't think that Count Dracula should be moved here. Rather, Dracula (disambiguation) should be moved here. While the character may be the single-best-known, as a character in a novel who is probably better-known through one or more of the novel's film adaptations, and also based on a real historical figure who actually had this name, he should still not be treated as the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. elvenscout742 ( talk) 07:13, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
Hey, I'm an editing n00b, so I'm not sure about this, but the introduction (short of the word "gothic") is word-for-word taken from the publisher's description given on this amazon page. Is this Kosher? Seems like plagiarism. Hyathin ( talk) 20:56, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
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Please change "Dracula has been assigned to many literary genres including..." to "Dracula has been assigned too many literary genres including..." in the first sentence of the second paragraph. (Typo) Folkspeak ( talk) 17:55, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
I'm not sure why the History Channel reference was removed, but clear advertising for an equally questionable book remains - and under its own section title no less! Does the author hold some kind of sway over the editing of this article? 99.239.72.120 ( talk) 02:49, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
Citing webpages about Ireland such as this one http://www.insideireland.com/sample13.htm is not appropriate. Neither is this: http://www.lookandlearn.com/blog/15364/count-dracula-first-visited-bram-stoker-in-a-nightmare/ A scholarly source needs to be cited not a random web page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.201.247.157 ( talk) 19:20, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
There is no scholarly source supporting the website's claims that Theodore Roosevelt directly suggested that Stoker write Dracula or any book about supernatural criminals. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.201.247.157 ( talk) 19:25, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
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Where are your sources that the setting of the novel is in the 1890s? If you take the entire logic of "Dracula" seriously, the last note is dated 7 years after the actual story. The novel (written as a collection of pseudo-sources) is published 1897, so the story happened before 1890. Second, in Chapter 8 is mentioned that at August 11th at 3 a. m. a full moon shines. Full moons on this specific day are obviously very rare. In the late 19th century, this happened three times: 8/11/1870, when the Orient Express (mentioned in Chapter 25) isn't even built. 8/11/1889, which is in my opinion the night, when Dracula bites Lucy the first time. 8/11/1897, when the novel is published already.
See here for lunar phases: https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/?year=1889&country=9 and https://www.timeanddate.com/moon/phases/@2634135?year=1889 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.231.51.111 ( talk) 14:44, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
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There may be another reason for the name Dracula besides transylavanian. The Irish words " Droch Fhoula" meaning 'Bad Blood', pronounced " Drok Ulla". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Suppity ( talk • contribs) 17:29, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
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Hi there, I work at The London Library and we recently discovered some of the notes made by Bram Stoker when researching Dracula so I'd like to include a section on this to the Wikipedia page, you can find out more here [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Charlotte bossick ( talk • contribs)
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