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I disagree that a family relation between Rusty and Dr. Quymn is "strongly implied" in the episode. I have tagged the section as original research. Any objections? -- Joezoo ( talk) 14:51, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
- I just went and deleted it. It's all speculation at best.
TH1RT3EN
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- Seems like they go out of their way to strongly suggest the connection. I think it needs to be addressed somehow, although perhaps not presented as confirmed fact. But yes, I guess it's technically speculation. -- 69.108.119.45 ( talk) 16:45, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
Independent of whether or not a relation is strongly implied, there are a lot of similarities. Both have (or had) similar shades of hair (matching Dr. Venture, Sr.'s), have similar physical builds, similar teams (adventurer, bodyguard, twin children), similar equipment (the jets). An entire section could be devoted to listing all these things. -- 69.108.119.45 ( talk) 16:57, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
- There's already a problem with this type of family relation speculation with the
Dermott Fictel article. Is there any source besides the episode itself which suggests that the two are related?
Zombie Hunter Smurf (
talk) 17:07, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
- To be honest, I think Doc and Chris are purposely playing with their viewers by deluding them with speculative ends like this. :)
Well it think the best way to go about it is mention the intentional key swapping in the synopsis without any conclusion drawn in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.226.105.89 ( talk) 08:55, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
Seconded. Though there are definite physical similarities that alone are noteworthy, we can't be sure (after all one could also say she resembles The Monarch). The key-swapping incident included with the speculation seems enough. XWayfarer ( talk) 21:16, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Has anyone else noticed that Dr. Venture quickly and foolishly falls in love with any woman that shows him any kind of regard whatsoever (aside from Sally and Myra)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Evilwillhunting ( talk • contribs) 17:28, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
Disagreed. He only seems to be really attracted for women he can't have (Molotov, Dr. Girlfriend). Once a female starts showing attraction in return, he backs off. He did it with Myra (losing interest as her interest in him escalated) and he did it with Sally (he's openly flirtatious at first, but refuses to reciprocate later on). In this case it's an example of his coming on to her while she feigns disinterest. Later on she does become receptive, but look how quickly he dismisses her after the "near-sex" is broken up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.73.152.100 ( talk) 14:05, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
That's a good point. The article leaves this out but notice that at the end of this episode Dr Venture uses Dr Quymn's epilepsy as an excuse for not continuing the relationship with her. When Dean starts trying to exorcise the wereodile spirit from Dr. Quymn he exclaims "I almost f%$@ed a wereodile?!" and when Virginia explains that Dr. Quymn is simply epileptic his reaction implies he thinks this is even worse. He decides in the end "I don't want to feel anything anymore, Brock. Oh, God love hurts!" -- Rifter0x0000 ( talk) 17:36, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
The significance of the cigarette appears to be that Dr. Quymm probably has lung cancer as a result of smoking (or gave up smoking to avoid lung cancer). Ironically, this would make her motives for looking for a cancer cure as self-interested as Rusty's search for an impotence cure, rather than the purely selfless pursuit Rusty initially assumed. -- 69.108.119.45 ( talk) 16:45, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
I disagree. I do not believe there was anything to suggest Dr. Quymm has lung cancer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.33.58.28 ( talk) 05:07, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
Agreed. As she also displays considerable endurance and acrobatic ability, I'd say the idea she was suffering lung cancer is unlikely. I also suspect if it was a major plot point, it would be revealed. XWayfarer ( talk) 21:15, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
The article is definitely wrong regarding Brock and Virginia. Brock clearly does not think that Virginia is a guy; Dr. Venture does (refers to her as a guy named Jimmy) and Brock corrects him on this several times. The big problem between them is that Virginia is bisexual but has very strong butch lesbian tendencies and seems to dislike most men (she explains to the girls that she doesn't hate men, just hasn't found a real one, implying that perhaps in Brock she has found a man worth trying). After teasing Brock (which actually seems to work as he seems to decide to give in to a skinnydip) she implies she is a lesbian by saying "Where I come from we drive on the other side of the road!" as she brushes him off. But she is obviously thinking about having a man, perhaps for the first time. Incidentally although she does have masculine looks (which normally might put Brock off) shaking her ass seems to get him going; it may be that Brock likes big booties as you might compare Virginia and the stripper from "Mid-Life Chrysalis." Furthermore unlike his reaction to Dr. Girlfriend he seems to hit it off well with Virginia and enjoys doing things with her, including their playful romp in the bed which is very much like his adventure with Molotov, the only woman Brock ever loved. The whole theme of the episode is how everyone ends up in some kind of soon-to-be-complicated pairing, and how love can go wrong. Incidentally, and this is missing in the article too, it is still unclear whether Nancy and Drew reject Dean in the end because they believe he is circumcised, like his brother, or because they believe he is not. Although the latter is probable. In any event Dean implies that his love for Triana Orpheus (and his fear the girls are wereodiles) keeps his relationship with them chaste. Virginia also seems to have had some level of relationship with Dr. Quymn over the years, having helped her through some psychological trauma that has yet to be completely explained (although the story of the twins' father running off when Dr. Quymn was a teenager comes up). Dr. Quymn says that she has needs that only a man can fulfill, to which Virginia replies "I can be gentle..." It's likely that Virginia, like Brock, enjoys extremely rough sex, and has been trying to convince Dr. Quymn to have an exclusive relationship with her. They do sleep in the same room, and there is only one bed there. There's obviously some complex stuff going on between those two, who over the years have each been the one person the other can trust. Rifter0x0000 ( talk) 19:44, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
Incidentally, although the wereodile does end up looking a lot like something out of an old Scooby-Doo cartoon or something similar (in fact it looks awful familiar but I cannot put my finger on it right now), there are actually legends of such creatures in the amazon. More properly, a shaman can gain the power to become an animal, and in the mythology of indigenous tribes of South America crocodiles, anacondas, and panthers are common animals to "become" as they are important to various tribes. Some revere one animal over another, and there are definitely tribes that are more closely associated with crocodiles. I need to do some more research and do some references, but just as the Wendigo episode of Scooby-Doo this episode does reference some actual native tales.-- Rifter0x0000 ( talk) 17:45, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
Doesn't it seem like Dr. Quymn, besides Lara Croft, is based on Jessie, Race's daughter from the old Johnny Quest series?
They are both red-headed childhood companions of the boy adventurer, yes? And both daughters of the Dad-Scientists' companions? (Race and Horace Gentleman, respectively)
I don't know proper procedures or whatever for editing articles, but that reference just seems like a slam-dunk. did I miss it's mention elsewhere in the article? Or other articles about the V-Bros? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.181.235.93 ( talk) 05:23, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
In season one, episode nine (Are You There, God? It's Me, Dean) Hank asks in passing (via The Monarch's big screen) "did the doctor see that creepy dog dork of yours?". In response, Dr. Venture tells Hank not to brag to his brother about his circumcision. How then can Hank also be circumcised in this episode too? Of course, you could bring the whole clone argument into it and say that the clones are not circumcised (since Hank died at least once between season one and season three. Anyway, just something to think about.
PatMan33 ( talk) 05:08, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
One could argue , that the reason Hank looks so terrorized at the end of the episode , is because the Tribesmen basically gave him a 2nd circumcision!
( Major Owie! )
Harvey J Satan (
talk) 03:00, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
Not a plot hole. The boys were killed at the end of Season 1, and were cloned between then and Season 2. The clone of Hank would've had an intact foreskin. Kalmbach ( talk) 03:07, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
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Dr. Quymn then introduces her identical twin daughters, Nancy and Drew
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Dr. Quymn then introduces her identical and somewhat hypersexual twin daughters, Nancy and Drew
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In this episode both Nancy and Drew exhibit strong tendencies of hypersexuality in that throughout the episode the two teenage girls plot to forcefully tie-up and attempt have sexual relations with Dean Venture who clearly is not interested, probably because he and his brother Hank had been cloned over and over by their father Rusty Venture and that he (Dean) does not have a full understanding of the birds and the bees.
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I disagree that a family relation between Rusty and Dr. Quymn is "strongly implied" in the episode. I have tagged the section as original research. Any objections? -- Joezoo ( talk) 14:51, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
- I just went and deleted it. It's all speculation at best.
TH1RT3EN
talk ♦
contribs 20:10, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
- Seems like they go out of their way to strongly suggest the connection. I think it needs to be addressed somehow, although perhaps not presented as confirmed fact. But yes, I guess it's technically speculation. -- 69.108.119.45 ( talk) 16:45, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
Independent of whether or not a relation is strongly implied, there are a lot of similarities. Both have (or had) similar shades of hair (matching Dr. Venture, Sr.'s), have similar physical builds, similar teams (adventurer, bodyguard, twin children), similar equipment (the jets). An entire section could be devoted to listing all these things. -- 69.108.119.45 ( talk) 16:57, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
- There's already a problem with this type of family relation speculation with the
Dermott Fictel article. Is there any source besides the episode itself which suggests that the two are related?
Zombie Hunter Smurf (
talk) 17:07, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
- To be honest, I think Doc and Chris are purposely playing with their viewers by deluding them with speculative ends like this. :)
Well it think the best way to go about it is mention the intentional key swapping in the synopsis without any conclusion drawn in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.226.105.89 ( talk) 08:55, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
Seconded. Though there are definite physical similarities that alone are noteworthy, we can't be sure (after all one could also say she resembles The Monarch). The key-swapping incident included with the speculation seems enough. XWayfarer ( talk) 21:16, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Has anyone else noticed that Dr. Venture quickly and foolishly falls in love with any woman that shows him any kind of regard whatsoever (aside from Sally and Myra)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Evilwillhunting ( talk • contribs) 17:28, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
Disagreed. He only seems to be really attracted for women he can't have (Molotov, Dr. Girlfriend). Once a female starts showing attraction in return, he backs off. He did it with Myra (losing interest as her interest in him escalated) and he did it with Sally (he's openly flirtatious at first, but refuses to reciprocate later on). In this case it's an example of his coming on to her while she feigns disinterest. Later on she does become receptive, but look how quickly he dismisses her after the "near-sex" is broken up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.73.152.100 ( talk) 14:05, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
That's a good point. The article leaves this out but notice that at the end of this episode Dr Venture uses Dr Quymn's epilepsy as an excuse for not continuing the relationship with her. When Dean starts trying to exorcise the wereodile spirit from Dr. Quymn he exclaims "I almost f%$@ed a wereodile?!" and when Virginia explains that Dr. Quymn is simply epileptic his reaction implies he thinks this is even worse. He decides in the end "I don't want to feel anything anymore, Brock. Oh, God love hurts!" -- Rifter0x0000 ( talk) 17:36, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
The significance of the cigarette appears to be that Dr. Quymm probably has lung cancer as a result of smoking (or gave up smoking to avoid lung cancer). Ironically, this would make her motives for looking for a cancer cure as self-interested as Rusty's search for an impotence cure, rather than the purely selfless pursuit Rusty initially assumed. -- 69.108.119.45 ( talk) 16:45, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
I disagree. I do not believe there was anything to suggest Dr. Quymm has lung cancer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.33.58.28 ( talk) 05:07, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
Agreed. As she also displays considerable endurance and acrobatic ability, I'd say the idea she was suffering lung cancer is unlikely. I also suspect if it was a major plot point, it would be revealed. XWayfarer ( talk) 21:15, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
The article is definitely wrong regarding Brock and Virginia. Brock clearly does not think that Virginia is a guy; Dr. Venture does (refers to her as a guy named Jimmy) and Brock corrects him on this several times. The big problem between them is that Virginia is bisexual but has very strong butch lesbian tendencies and seems to dislike most men (she explains to the girls that she doesn't hate men, just hasn't found a real one, implying that perhaps in Brock she has found a man worth trying). After teasing Brock (which actually seems to work as he seems to decide to give in to a skinnydip) she implies she is a lesbian by saying "Where I come from we drive on the other side of the road!" as she brushes him off. But she is obviously thinking about having a man, perhaps for the first time. Incidentally although she does have masculine looks (which normally might put Brock off) shaking her ass seems to get him going; it may be that Brock likes big booties as you might compare Virginia and the stripper from "Mid-Life Chrysalis." Furthermore unlike his reaction to Dr. Girlfriend he seems to hit it off well with Virginia and enjoys doing things with her, including their playful romp in the bed which is very much like his adventure with Molotov, the only woman Brock ever loved. The whole theme of the episode is how everyone ends up in some kind of soon-to-be-complicated pairing, and how love can go wrong. Incidentally, and this is missing in the article too, it is still unclear whether Nancy and Drew reject Dean in the end because they believe he is circumcised, like his brother, or because they believe he is not. Although the latter is probable. In any event Dean implies that his love for Triana Orpheus (and his fear the girls are wereodiles) keeps his relationship with them chaste. Virginia also seems to have had some level of relationship with Dr. Quymn over the years, having helped her through some psychological trauma that has yet to be completely explained (although the story of the twins' father running off when Dr. Quymn was a teenager comes up). Dr. Quymn says that she has needs that only a man can fulfill, to which Virginia replies "I can be gentle..." It's likely that Virginia, like Brock, enjoys extremely rough sex, and has been trying to convince Dr. Quymn to have an exclusive relationship with her. They do sleep in the same room, and there is only one bed there. There's obviously some complex stuff going on between those two, who over the years have each been the one person the other can trust. Rifter0x0000 ( talk) 19:44, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
Incidentally, although the wereodile does end up looking a lot like something out of an old Scooby-Doo cartoon or something similar (in fact it looks awful familiar but I cannot put my finger on it right now), there are actually legends of such creatures in the amazon. More properly, a shaman can gain the power to become an animal, and in the mythology of indigenous tribes of South America crocodiles, anacondas, and panthers are common animals to "become" as they are important to various tribes. Some revere one animal over another, and there are definitely tribes that are more closely associated with crocodiles. I need to do some more research and do some references, but just as the Wendigo episode of Scooby-Doo this episode does reference some actual native tales.-- Rifter0x0000 ( talk) 17:45, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
Doesn't it seem like Dr. Quymn, besides Lara Croft, is based on Jessie, Race's daughter from the old Johnny Quest series?
They are both red-headed childhood companions of the boy adventurer, yes? And both daughters of the Dad-Scientists' companions? (Race and Horace Gentleman, respectively)
I don't know proper procedures or whatever for editing articles, but that reference just seems like a slam-dunk. did I miss it's mention elsewhere in the article? Or other articles about the V-Bros? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.181.235.93 ( talk) 05:23, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
In season one, episode nine (Are You There, God? It's Me, Dean) Hank asks in passing (via The Monarch's big screen) "did the doctor see that creepy dog dork of yours?". In response, Dr. Venture tells Hank not to brag to his brother about his circumcision. How then can Hank also be circumcised in this episode too? Of course, you could bring the whole clone argument into it and say that the clones are not circumcised (since Hank died at least once between season one and season three. Anyway, just something to think about.
PatMan33 ( talk) 05:08, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
One could argue , that the reason Hank looks so terrorized at the end of the episode , is because the Tribesmen basically gave him a 2nd circumcision!
( Major Owie! )
Harvey J Satan (
talk) 03:00, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
Not a plot hole. The boys were killed at the end of Season 1, and were cloned between then and Season 2. The clone of Hank would've had an intact foreskin. Kalmbach ( talk) 03:07, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
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Dr. Quymn then introduces her identical twin daughters, Nancy and Drew
To
Dr. Quymn then introduces her identical and somewhat hypersexual twin daughters, Nancy and Drew
Reasoning
In this episode both Nancy and Drew exhibit strong tendencies of hypersexuality in that throughout the episode the two teenage girls plot to forcefully tie-up and attempt have sexual relations with Dean Venture who clearly is not interested, probably because he and his brother Hank had been cloned over and over by their father Rusty Venture and that he (Dean) does not have a full understanding of the birds and the bees.
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