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The recent corrections are fascinating -- good to see someone getting involved who actually knows something about bookbinding. However, I now wonder if the Publishers Weekly quote is misleading; and if the Cobb dos-a-dos book was actually tete-beche. I'll look at the Corrick tonight, but I don't know how to check on the Cobb. Mike Christie (talk) 15:01, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
I checked the Publishers Weekly issue on microfilm; they don't name the format, so there's no worry about terminology there. PW doesn't, however, say that Ace was the first - the text reads, "This is not the first time this trick format has been tried. Simon and Schuster issued a hard-covered double novelette . . . in January 1949." The only claim that they seem to be making is that the Ace Doubles were the first paperbacks - or possibly even the more specific "paper-back, pocket-size fiction," as they're described.
Part of the difficulty with this topic in general is the confusion in terminology. As a bookbinding term, "dos-a-dos" is widespread; "tete-beche" is somewhat less so. It may be that tete-beche books are a "recent" development (say, any time in the last two hundred years), and are essentially a commercial bindery product (as opposed to hand binding). Definitions of "dos-a-dos" in the various reference works aren't much help - saying that one book is "upside down" relative to the other still leaves open the question of which edge it's flipped on, and that's what causes the difference between dos-a-dos and tete-beche.
I'm not sure how to check on the Cobb, either. Haven't been able to find it in any libraries so far, but I'll keep looking. Ratbasket 14:32, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
Wow, as Ratbasket said it really looks like whoever edited this page really knows what he's doing (and I use he of course as the non-gendered third person singular). However it's still not so clear to me, the uninitiated reader, what exactly the dos a dos is. I don't really get what: "such that the fore edge of one is adjacent to the spine of the other, with a shared lower board between them serving as the back cover of both." means. Can anyone either clarify this in text or provide some kind of illustration? Thanks a lot! Avraham ( talk) 07:26, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
Whoever decided to describe this "trick format" without using pictures should just STOP posting on Wikis, cause I had this article read by 10 people, not a single one understood exactly what this description meant, and one of them used to be a FRENCH TEACHER.
The above was added by 142.83.138.12; I've moved it here and left a message on the IP's talk page. Mike Christie (talk) 22:39, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
The (top) part of the article is about as clear as mud. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.248.174.222 ( talk) 04:20, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
"When a reader reaches the end of the text of one of the works, the next page is the (upside-down) first page of the other work." Shouldn't that be the "last" page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.151.13.60 ( talk) 19:18, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
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The recent corrections are fascinating -- good to see someone getting involved who actually knows something about bookbinding. However, I now wonder if the Publishers Weekly quote is misleading; and if the Cobb dos-a-dos book was actually tete-beche. I'll look at the Corrick tonight, but I don't know how to check on the Cobb. Mike Christie (talk) 15:01, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
I checked the Publishers Weekly issue on microfilm; they don't name the format, so there's no worry about terminology there. PW doesn't, however, say that Ace was the first - the text reads, "This is not the first time this trick format has been tried. Simon and Schuster issued a hard-covered double novelette . . . in January 1949." The only claim that they seem to be making is that the Ace Doubles were the first paperbacks - or possibly even the more specific "paper-back, pocket-size fiction," as they're described.
Part of the difficulty with this topic in general is the confusion in terminology. As a bookbinding term, "dos-a-dos" is widespread; "tete-beche" is somewhat less so. It may be that tete-beche books are a "recent" development (say, any time in the last two hundred years), and are essentially a commercial bindery product (as opposed to hand binding). Definitions of "dos-a-dos" in the various reference works aren't much help - saying that one book is "upside down" relative to the other still leaves open the question of which edge it's flipped on, and that's what causes the difference between dos-a-dos and tete-beche.
I'm not sure how to check on the Cobb, either. Haven't been able to find it in any libraries so far, but I'll keep looking. Ratbasket 14:32, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
Wow, as Ratbasket said it really looks like whoever edited this page really knows what he's doing (and I use he of course as the non-gendered third person singular). However it's still not so clear to me, the uninitiated reader, what exactly the dos a dos is. I don't really get what: "such that the fore edge of one is adjacent to the spine of the other, with a shared lower board between them serving as the back cover of both." means. Can anyone either clarify this in text or provide some kind of illustration? Thanks a lot! Avraham ( talk) 07:26, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
Whoever decided to describe this "trick format" without using pictures should just STOP posting on Wikis, cause I had this article read by 10 people, not a single one understood exactly what this description meant, and one of them used to be a FRENCH TEACHER.
The above was added by 142.83.138.12; I've moved it here and left a message on the IP's talk page. Mike Christie (talk) 22:39, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
The (top) part of the article is about as clear as mud. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.248.174.222 ( talk) 04:20, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
"When a reader reaches the end of the text of one of the works, the next page is the (upside-down) first page of the other work." Shouldn't that be the "last" page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.151.13.60 ( talk) 19:18, 6 December 2012 (UTC)