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Where was Williams born?
There's no biographical information about her early life or family.
I can't find any info about her university years or qualifications.
Who diagnosed her?
In what country was Williams diagnosed?
Was the diagnosis Asperger syndrome or Autistic Disorder or something else?
Does Williams have any other developmental of psychiatric diagnosis?
Has she been diagnosed with Multiple Personality Disorder? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 124.168.120.76 ( talk) 11:49, 14 April 2007 (UTC).
This occurs in human beings of any type, disabilities or otherwise, when subjected to extensive inescapable trauma under age 3 and is on a continuum with PTSD. I was diagnosed with this in 2010.
I was diagnosed at age 2 in a 3 day inpatient hospital assessment in 1965 when autism was deemed infantile psychosis. The diagnosis was infantile psychosis at that time
She has said a number of times that she is diagnosed with autism and not Asperger's,
diagnosis of adults with Aspergers in English speaking countries began around 1995. the info is here http://www.donnawilliams.net/diagnosis.0.html
I'm sure you can find that on her website if you look enough.
There is genealogical and family information available on her website.
Not all information is publicly available though.
http://www.donnawilliams.net/diagnosis.0.html
A lot of Wikipedia subjects don't have exact dates and places of birth for instance. Silentmiaow 22:51, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
I think "author" is a more appropriate disambiguation term than "writer". Q0 08:41, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
Done. — Nightst a llion (?) Seen this already? 07:04, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
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Donna Williams herself has been an active editor and contributor to this article on her. The person who is the subject of the article shouldn't take part in the construction and editing of the article.-- Appto ( talk) 16:59, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
yes, I removed information for which there were no references and supplied references where these were requested. At that time I didn't realise I was meant to do this on the talk page and have just learned, with help from my techie husband, how to do this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.8.223.66 ( talk) 09:44, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
The Health Report; controversy over Williams' diagnosis. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 18:50, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
[Comments removed by Q0 ( talk) 17:28, 11 March 2008 (UTC) for WP:BLP concerns] Regarding the last action: Inappropriate and unwarranted removal by Q0 of my useful, objective, and free speech comments by a suspected non-neutral and biased user Q0. See my comment below this users next entry (immediately below)-- Appto ( talk) 17:59, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
With no question, the article is an exceptional piece of investigative journalism, and a rarity as well, and hopefully there will be more in the future; and as noted above several times, the people interviewed are William's own doctor, a former professor of Williams, a past friend, and many others, including eminent autism physician and researcher Fred Volkmar of Yale University.-- Appto ( talk) 18:10, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
I do not think that people with clearly biased interests such as Q0 and many others that have been involved in the construction of Templates such as this one [4] that is advertising and promotional and not objective in nature should be involved in wikipedia. Rather, the creation of these articles should be done by neutral sources, and if they were, I doubt there would be such articles, or, they would be very different...maybe a sentence or two rather than the having the personal website nature.-- Appto ( talk) 17:56, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
<removed combination of copyvio and BLP from Appto> SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 18:04, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Appto, please stop it or I am going to ask that you be blocked. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 18:04, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Q0, I'm struggling to keep up here (because of all the fires spreading across these talk pages), but Fred Volkmar is arguably the leading autism authority in the United States; he is also the director of the Yale Child Study Center. If the issues on these talk pages slows down, I will read the full ABC transcript and try to gel it down to something that can be added to the article, but because it's a lot of opinion, it will need careful wording. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 19:57, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Please note. Dr Chris Eipper, the SOCIOLOGY lecturer featured in the ABC interview was NOT in ANY WAY my medical doctor, not my psychologist, not my psychiatrist, not in any way my therapist, not in any way qualified to be my diagnostician nor anyone's diagnostician. So it is COMPLETELY INCORRECT to ever portray this PHd as a medical doctor, psychologist, therapist etc. I knew Professor Eipper as my SOCIOLOGY SUPERVISOR. My involvement with him was limited to 10 private 1-1 appointments in his office as per the terms of my honours year pass requirements. I had no personal involvement with the man beyond this. He has never been to my home nor I to his. We did not have involvement therapeutically or socially beyond his relationship to my honours thesis whilst studying sociology. Please also note, I was diagnosed at Monash Medical Centre, by Dr Lawrence Bartak - an educational psychologist with 20 years experience at the time ( I was also diagnosed with language processing disorder by Dr Leslie Tan and Dr Bartak ). Please also note that the US psychologists interviewed in the ABC interview - namely Dr Fred Volkmar and Dr Kathleen Dillon had never met me, had never met with my diagnostician to discuss my case, and were 10,000 miles away from me in another country when featured in this ABC interview, and yet they are being quoted as though they have expert opinion on the validity of my diagnosis. Please note that I had never even met the interviewer, Kathy Gollan and whilst excerpts from an earlier interview with Geraldine were edited into her interview I was neither present nor had I ever met Kathy Gollan - Donna Williams —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.254.75.238 ( talk) 00:59, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
I'll add some proposed wording here later today. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 20:10, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Williams says these claims are an attempt to discredit her.
Important note - in 1996 the width of the Autistic Spectrum was still widening. The impact of the DSM-IV was still to be felt. The comments read like people who did not know about that width in 1996. I wonder what the feelings of Gollan and Volkmar are now? This I think would be very important to take into account - especially in light of the DSM-IV-TR, which came three years AFTER this interview.
I personally think any queries over the diagnosis of Donna Williams should not come from a radio interview. 124.180.211.166 ( talk) 11:26, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
regarding reliability of the ABC interview, here is some verifiable information http://blog.donnawilliams.net/2008/03/17/diagnosis-autism-and-a-untidy-boxes/ quite simply, the following should be verifiable:
As it is now late July, it appears this issue has been resolved for some time now (4 and 6 months, respectively), so I am going ahead and removing the "neutrality" and "conflict of interest" tags. As a side note, it is completely within Wikipedia rules for the subject or original author of an article to edit it (and there are copious examples of each), so long as such edits do not violate any of the other basic tenets. 137.244.215.51 ( talk) 11:16, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
My two cents is this: not every facet of a person's being is affected by autism. Autistics have a wide variety of personalities, and are capable of being weird in ways that are not typical of autistics. e.g. most autistic people don't have Borderline personality disorder, but having BPD does not mean that one cannot also be autistic. Soap Talk/ Contributions 15:37, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
(I) In Diagnostic Controversy area, this statement's source is Donna Williams' own blog. Not neutral. And, blogs are not credible/legitimate sources:
She sought and received clarification from Professor Volkmar on his comments. [5]
(Ia) The "clarification" from Volkmar mentioned here is, only, Donna's copying and pasting an alleged email sent to her by Volkmar to her blog. Not an external source, not neutral, not 3rd party, and tha like.
(II) The first statement of the article is also sourced with Donna William's own blog:
Donna Williams (born 1963 in Melbourne, Victoria, Australia) is a best-selling author, artist, singer-songwriter, screenwriter and sculptor diagnosed with autism after being assessed as a psychotic infant in 1965 at age two, [1]
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On June 17, 2011, this edit was done removing the entire section
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Donna_Williams&diff=prev&oldid=442992723 and there was no reason provided for why. As such I undid the person's deletion of the section. Please advise if I did something wrong, or if the editor did. I'm also curious why 4 months went by with no one catching that. Aren't there editors who "watch" the page for apparent vandalism like this? I didn't see any Talk discussion on the editors huge deletion. Hello90hello ( talk) 07:03, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:QhgRxLPmvAsJ:www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/8.30/helthrpt/hstories/hr290796.htm+%22Autism+-+a+special+report+by+Kathy+Gollan&hl=en&client=firefox-a&gl=us&strip=0 Could ya use this link in the meantime? Hello90hello ( talk) 09:53, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure that Radio National isn't a company. The ABC is a government-funded corporation. It has independence but it's publicly funded. Yahoo still has the document cached. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.169.170.70 ( talk) 04:22, 16 December 2011 (UTC) Google no longer have a cached copy of the Radio National story. You've got a dead link in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.169.49.195 ( talk) 00:11, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
I have had a go at addressing many of the concerns expressed above. I hope the article reads better now. Some weak references remain e.g. IMDB (entries by Williams &/or her representative(s)?), Williams personal blog/official website, and perhaps others. I'm not sure of her mother's name and whether she is still alive. I'm not sure of her first husband's last name or whether he is still alive. I have included mention of scepticism over her autism diagnosis. Both sides of that issue require delicate handling but ignoring the point is not justified. It is part of her biography, although the claim is dated at 1996, reliable sources discuss it. shaidar cuebiyar ( talk) 02:54, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
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Where was Williams born?
There's no biographical information about her early life or family.
I can't find any info about her university years or qualifications.
Who diagnosed her?
In what country was Williams diagnosed?
Was the diagnosis Asperger syndrome or Autistic Disorder or something else?
Does Williams have any other developmental of psychiatric diagnosis?
Has she been diagnosed with Multiple Personality Disorder? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 124.168.120.76 ( talk) 11:49, 14 April 2007 (UTC).
This occurs in human beings of any type, disabilities or otherwise, when subjected to extensive inescapable trauma under age 3 and is on a continuum with PTSD. I was diagnosed with this in 2010.
I was diagnosed at age 2 in a 3 day inpatient hospital assessment in 1965 when autism was deemed infantile psychosis. The diagnosis was infantile psychosis at that time
She has said a number of times that she is diagnosed with autism and not Asperger's,
diagnosis of adults with Aspergers in English speaking countries began around 1995. the info is here http://www.donnawilliams.net/diagnosis.0.html
I'm sure you can find that on her website if you look enough.
There is genealogical and family information available on her website.
Not all information is publicly available though.
http://www.donnawilliams.net/diagnosis.0.html
A lot of Wikipedia subjects don't have exact dates and places of birth for instance. Silentmiaow 22:51, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
I think "author" is a more appropriate disambiguation term than "writer". Q0 08:41, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
Done. — Nightst a llion (?) Seen this already? 07:04, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
As noted by wikipedia at the top of the Discussion area:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Donna_Williams_%28author%29
The creator of this article, or someone who has substantially contributed to it, may have a conflict of interest regarding its subject matter. It may require cleanup to comply with Wikipedia's content policies, particularly neutral point of view. Please discuss further on the talk page.
Donna Williams herself has been an active editor and contributor to this article on her. The person who is the subject of the article shouldn't take part in the construction and editing of the article.-- Appto ( talk) 16:59, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
yes, I removed information for which there were no references and supplied references where these were requested. At that time I didn't realise I was meant to do this on the talk page and have just learned, with help from my techie husband, how to do this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.8.223.66 ( talk) 09:44, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
The Health Report; controversy over Williams' diagnosis. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 18:50, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
[Comments removed by Q0 ( talk) 17:28, 11 March 2008 (UTC) for WP:BLP concerns] Regarding the last action: Inappropriate and unwarranted removal by Q0 of my useful, objective, and free speech comments by a suspected non-neutral and biased user Q0. See my comment below this users next entry (immediately below)-- Appto ( talk) 17:59, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
With no question, the article is an exceptional piece of investigative journalism, and a rarity as well, and hopefully there will be more in the future; and as noted above several times, the people interviewed are William's own doctor, a former professor of Williams, a past friend, and many others, including eminent autism physician and researcher Fred Volkmar of Yale University.-- Appto ( talk) 18:10, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
I do not think that people with clearly biased interests such as Q0 and many others that have been involved in the construction of Templates such as this one [4] that is advertising and promotional and not objective in nature should be involved in wikipedia. Rather, the creation of these articles should be done by neutral sources, and if they were, I doubt there would be such articles, or, they would be very different...maybe a sentence or two rather than the having the personal website nature.-- Appto ( talk) 17:56, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
<removed combination of copyvio and BLP from Appto> SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 18:04, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Appto, please stop it or I am going to ask that you be blocked. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 18:04, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Q0, I'm struggling to keep up here (because of all the fires spreading across these talk pages), but Fred Volkmar is arguably the leading autism authority in the United States; he is also the director of the Yale Child Study Center. If the issues on these talk pages slows down, I will read the full ABC transcript and try to gel it down to something that can be added to the article, but because it's a lot of opinion, it will need careful wording. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 19:57, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Please note. Dr Chris Eipper, the SOCIOLOGY lecturer featured in the ABC interview was NOT in ANY WAY my medical doctor, not my psychologist, not my psychiatrist, not in any way my therapist, not in any way qualified to be my diagnostician nor anyone's diagnostician. So it is COMPLETELY INCORRECT to ever portray this PHd as a medical doctor, psychologist, therapist etc. I knew Professor Eipper as my SOCIOLOGY SUPERVISOR. My involvement with him was limited to 10 private 1-1 appointments in his office as per the terms of my honours year pass requirements. I had no personal involvement with the man beyond this. He has never been to my home nor I to his. We did not have involvement therapeutically or socially beyond his relationship to my honours thesis whilst studying sociology. Please also note, I was diagnosed at Monash Medical Centre, by Dr Lawrence Bartak - an educational psychologist with 20 years experience at the time ( I was also diagnosed with language processing disorder by Dr Leslie Tan and Dr Bartak ). Please also note that the US psychologists interviewed in the ABC interview - namely Dr Fred Volkmar and Dr Kathleen Dillon had never met me, had never met with my diagnostician to discuss my case, and were 10,000 miles away from me in another country when featured in this ABC interview, and yet they are being quoted as though they have expert opinion on the validity of my diagnosis. Please note that I had never even met the interviewer, Kathy Gollan and whilst excerpts from an earlier interview with Geraldine were edited into her interview I was neither present nor had I ever met Kathy Gollan - Donna Williams —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.254.75.238 ( talk) 00:59, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
I'll add some proposed wording here later today. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 20:10, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Williams says these claims are an attempt to discredit her.
Important note - in 1996 the width of the Autistic Spectrum was still widening. The impact of the DSM-IV was still to be felt. The comments read like people who did not know about that width in 1996. I wonder what the feelings of Gollan and Volkmar are now? This I think would be very important to take into account - especially in light of the DSM-IV-TR, which came three years AFTER this interview.
I personally think any queries over the diagnosis of Donna Williams should not come from a radio interview. 124.180.211.166 ( talk) 11:26, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
regarding reliability of the ABC interview, here is some verifiable information http://blog.donnawilliams.net/2008/03/17/diagnosis-autism-and-a-untidy-boxes/ quite simply, the following should be verifiable:
As it is now late July, it appears this issue has been resolved for some time now (4 and 6 months, respectively), so I am going ahead and removing the "neutrality" and "conflict of interest" tags. As a side note, it is completely within Wikipedia rules for the subject or original author of an article to edit it (and there are copious examples of each), so long as such edits do not violate any of the other basic tenets. 137.244.215.51 ( talk) 11:16, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
My two cents is this: not every facet of a person's being is affected by autism. Autistics have a wide variety of personalities, and are capable of being weird in ways that are not typical of autistics. e.g. most autistic people don't have Borderline personality disorder, but having BPD does not mean that one cannot also be autistic. Soap Talk/ Contributions 15:37, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
(I) In Diagnostic Controversy area, this statement's source is Donna Williams' own blog. Not neutral. And, blogs are not credible/legitimate sources:
She sought and received clarification from Professor Volkmar on his comments. [5]
(Ia) The "clarification" from Volkmar mentioned here is, only, Donna's copying and pasting an alleged email sent to her by Volkmar to her blog. Not an external source, not neutral, not 3rd party, and tha like.
(II) The first statement of the article is also sourced with Donna William's own blog:
Donna Williams (born 1963 in Melbourne, Victoria, Australia) is a best-selling author, artist, singer-songwriter, screenwriter and sculptor diagnosed with autism after being assessed as a psychotic infant in 1965 at age two, [1]
Request to have these 2 sentences removed or revised.-- USinopt ( talk) 02:46, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Donna_Williams&diff=prev&oldid=442992723 and there was no reason provided for why. As such I undid the person's deletion of the section. Please advise if I did something wrong, or if the editor did. I'm also curious why 4 months went by with no one catching that. Aren't there editors who "watch" the page for apparent vandalism like this? I didn't see any Talk discussion on the editors huge deletion. Hello90hello ( talk) 07:03, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:QhgRxLPmvAsJ:www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/8.30/helthrpt/hstories/hr290796.htm+%22Autism+-+a+special+report+by+Kathy+Gollan&hl=en&client=firefox-a&gl=us&strip=0 Could ya use this link in the meantime? Hello90hello ( talk) 09:53, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure that Radio National isn't a company. The ABC is a government-funded corporation. It has independence but it's publicly funded. Yahoo still has the document cached. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.169.170.70 ( talk) 04:22, 16 December 2011 (UTC) Google no longer have a cached copy of the Radio National story. You've got a dead link in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.169.49.195 ( talk) 00:11, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
I have had a go at addressing many of the concerns expressed above. I hope the article reads better now. Some weak references remain e.g. IMDB (entries by Williams &/or her representative(s)?), Williams personal blog/official website, and perhaps others. I'm not sure of her mother's name and whether she is still alive. I'm not sure of her first husband's last name or whether he is still alive. I have included mention of scepticism over her autism diagnosis. Both sides of that issue require delicate handling but ignoring the point is not justified. It is part of her biography, although the claim is dated at 1996, reliable sources discuss it. shaidar cuebiyar ( talk) 02:54, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
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