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Per the 2011 DC COMICS 'THE ULTIMATE CHARACTER GUIDE' Donna was raised and trained on the planet New Cronus. Not sure if she is technically an Amazonian, but she is the adopted sister of Wonder Woman. Someone needs to clarify this and edit her page accordingly. I'd do it, but I'm a Marvel guy :-) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.158.101.11 ( talk) 16:10, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
This is one of the (few) articles that could benefit from more pics. Donna had several notable costumes over the years and it would be nice to see some of them reflected in her article. I don't have a flatbed scanner, but if somebody else would care to add some... CovenantD 17:16, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
It seems odd to have editors suggesting that it is not speculative to say Donna's powers have diminished, but then see that they add things such as "it seems" in their edits. Unless Donna says something to the effect of "my powers have diminished", it really is nothing but speculation. Specially when things typically associated with her "Titanic", non-Amazonic, powers (which people claim have gone away), such as her star-spangled hair, came and went before Infinite Crisis. For example, in Graduation Day, whenever she was in costume, she had star-spangled hair, but in scenes which happen in her room at the beggining of the story, she appears with normal blue-black hair. And you forget that if you're gonna conjecture that Donna never had powers given to her by the Titans, then Infinite Crisis and none of the apparent changes you regard as facts could have never happened. Furthermore, in Wonder Woman #1, we see Donna remember witnessing Diana leaving Themyscira, and describe her as her sister. What does this mean? That the Byrne retcon which stated that Donna was a magically created twin of Diana captured by Dark Angel and erased from everyone's memory so she could be reborn to Dorothy Hinckley and eventually be powered by the Titans is still in effect. If Donna's new story was meant to be a complete throwback to Pre-Crisis continuity, then rather than have Donna see Diana leave the island and regard her a sister, we would have Donna be rescued from a fire by Diana AFTER she leaves the island and regard her a mentor. I also think it's pretty likely DC does not wish to further complicate Donna by altering her origin yet again. The only thing Diana's Pre-Crisis Silver Age career being brought back into continuity is likely to change is Donna and Diana coming into contact and suspecting they have a connection earlier than 1987. So remember, as long as Donna was there in Paradise Island seeing how Diana left to become Wonder Woman (albeit happening earlier, back in the Silver Age rather than the Modern Age), her Post-Crisis origin is still in effect, and her powers have not diminished. She is most likely simply not using them. You can see she still has 'em in "History of the DC Universe", which is post-New Earth.. -- Ace ETP 20:43, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
In wonder Woman's #1, they show Donna Troy fighting at a weaker capacity (she took on gods with equal strength in RETURN OF DONNA TROY and it took the Titans and Outsiders joint efforts to slow her down) against Cheetah and Giganta. They also show her without star-spangled hair, which is directly associated with the Goddess of the Moon (the previous goddess Phoebe had the same effect in her hair). These are clear signs that her powers have been returned to a mortal level, as oppose to her pervious god-like level.
Mention of Donna's hair in GRADUATION DAY is false, because in that series, Donna did not have stars ever appear in her hair. They appeared solely on her costume which had been a gift from the Titans of Myth. It wasn't until RETURN OF DONNA TROY that they started drawing her with stars in her hair to signal that she was indeed the Goddess of the Moon, which remained constant until WW#1.
Donna's powers as a god are constantly 'on'. She wouldn't just choose to 'not use them' as that would be pointless. Why give her the power to effect things in greater mass, and only to hold back so much? She never had any trouble using her full power before the OYL jump. Why do it now?
The mention of Donna's powers in 'HISTORY OF THE DC UNIVERSE' also has no effect on this situation, since that story takes place immediately after the Infinite Crisis and prior the ONE YEAR LATER jump to the current WW storyline, during which time any number of things could have happened to Donna Troy, including her giving up her god-like powers.
I just have a quick note about Donna's hair in WW #1. In the very first panels, on the first page, she does have (however small they may be) stars in her hair. But then it gets confusing because you don't see it as clearly at any point after that. During IC & 52, it was always blatantly obvious that she had stars in her hair, but, except for the first page in WW #1, they are either so faded that you can't see them, or they've been taken out completely. And I, for one, am very upset that the writers never truly let Donna show off her powers. She was (& still is, as far as I'm concerned, until I hear otherwise) the goddess of the moon, that should come with a hefty helping of new abilities, but even in the Return of Donna Troy series, she's never truly allowed to let loose and kick tail. ((Okay, so that was more than a quick note, but she's my favorite character, so I think I'm entitled.)) Well, that's all from me. StarryEyedAngel 22:41, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
Donna's been presented in previous comics as having her own lasso, although what exactly its powers were or weren't I'm not sure. The lasso she uses in Wonder Woman #1 is obviously Diana's as it exhibits the truth abilities hers is known for. So I guess what I'm asking is where did Don's lasso go, and where did she get it from in the first place? Jupiterzguy 02:14, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
Except for that, in the first issue of the new Wonder Woman comic, Cheetah binds Donna with the Lasso and she can't lie. And when Cheeta tries to compell Donna to drop her weapons Donna replies "The only thing that lasso compells me to do is tell the truth" implying it works on its own. Jupiterzguy 02:14, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
Hi folks - sorry to come late to this discussion, but Donna's lasso, pre-Crisis, definitely had the same powers as Diana's. In New Teen Titans #6, in the big battle against Trigon, Raven mentions that this was one of her main reasons for recruiting Donna for the team: "Your lasso is like Wonder Woman's -- it can sap Trigon's will!" Also, I remember a very old issue of the original Teen Titans series, where they meet the Titans West for the first time, and the inevitable fighting breaks out. Donna encircles all the combatants and orders them to stop, which they immediately do. I believe she even comments on her lasso's magical ability in this scene.
Post-Crisis, they had to remove the magical qualities of her lasso, since she was no longer supposed to have any connection to the Amazons.
I'll need to go dig up those issues to properly reference it, but unless someone can provide a reason not to, I'll update the "Powers and Abilities" section to reflect the above facts.
Seansinc ( talk) 01:03, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
And yet, in the 2010 JLA/JSA teamup, Donna's lasso is blue, and she refers to it, and uses it, as a 'lasso of persuasion'. Not Diana's lasso. Duncan Beach ( talk) 04:37, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
Why does somebody keep removing the link to the Dark Angel page in the Magical Duplicate section? Dark Angel has her own page on Wiki now, so I don't see any reason why the link needs to constantly be removed. Tigrahawk 23:09, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
The end spoiler tag is there, but the beginning is not to be seen. I think we need to correct this problem. I have temporarily placed it at the start of the one year later section. Also, in the weapons section it describes staffs as being Donna's weapons of choice, but in the Return of Donna Troy she states that Starfire had to teach her to use them because she wasn't very good at them. Also, also, maybe we shouldn't comment on her strength being diminished OYL but can we at least make a note that her star speckled hair is gone? Jupiterzguy 02:30, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
i know she's wonder woman in the wonder woman series, but it's obviously been late. as a result, diana is wonder woman in JLA and everywhere else. i think maybe we should get a pic with all her aliases, but still prominently feature the donna as wonder woman pic? if we can't get a good one, then never mind. opinions? -- EXV // + @ 18:55, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
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Is there any relationship to Deanna Troi from Star Trek? Is Deanna Troi built after Donna Troy?
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Per the 2011 DC COMICS 'THE ULTIMATE CHARACTER GUIDE' Donna was raised and trained on the planet New Cronus. Not sure if she is technically an Amazonian, but she is the adopted sister of Wonder Woman. Someone needs to clarify this and edit her page accordingly. I'd do it, but I'm a Marvel guy :-) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.158.101.11 ( talk) 16:10, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
This is one of the (few) articles that could benefit from more pics. Donna had several notable costumes over the years and it would be nice to see some of them reflected in her article. I don't have a flatbed scanner, but if somebody else would care to add some... CovenantD 17:16, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
It seems odd to have editors suggesting that it is not speculative to say Donna's powers have diminished, but then see that they add things such as "it seems" in their edits. Unless Donna says something to the effect of "my powers have diminished", it really is nothing but speculation. Specially when things typically associated with her "Titanic", non-Amazonic, powers (which people claim have gone away), such as her star-spangled hair, came and went before Infinite Crisis. For example, in Graduation Day, whenever she was in costume, she had star-spangled hair, but in scenes which happen in her room at the beggining of the story, she appears with normal blue-black hair. And you forget that if you're gonna conjecture that Donna never had powers given to her by the Titans, then Infinite Crisis and none of the apparent changes you regard as facts could have never happened. Furthermore, in Wonder Woman #1, we see Donna remember witnessing Diana leaving Themyscira, and describe her as her sister. What does this mean? That the Byrne retcon which stated that Donna was a magically created twin of Diana captured by Dark Angel and erased from everyone's memory so she could be reborn to Dorothy Hinckley and eventually be powered by the Titans is still in effect. If Donna's new story was meant to be a complete throwback to Pre-Crisis continuity, then rather than have Donna see Diana leave the island and regard her a sister, we would have Donna be rescued from a fire by Diana AFTER she leaves the island and regard her a mentor. I also think it's pretty likely DC does not wish to further complicate Donna by altering her origin yet again. The only thing Diana's Pre-Crisis Silver Age career being brought back into continuity is likely to change is Donna and Diana coming into contact and suspecting they have a connection earlier than 1987. So remember, as long as Donna was there in Paradise Island seeing how Diana left to become Wonder Woman (albeit happening earlier, back in the Silver Age rather than the Modern Age), her Post-Crisis origin is still in effect, and her powers have not diminished. She is most likely simply not using them. You can see she still has 'em in "History of the DC Universe", which is post-New Earth.. -- Ace ETP 20:43, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
In wonder Woman's #1, they show Donna Troy fighting at a weaker capacity (she took on gods with equal strength in RETURN OF DONNA TROY and it took the Titans and Outsiders joint efforts to slow her down) against Cheetah and Giganta. They also show her without star-spangled hair, which is directly associated with the Goddess of the Moon (the previous goddess Phoebe had the same effect in her hair). These are clear signs that her powers have been returned to a mortal level, as oppose to her pervious god-like level.
Mention of Donna's hair in GRADUATION DAY is false, because in that series, Donna did not have stars ever appear in her hair. They appeared solely on her costume which had been a gift from the Titans of Myth. It wasn't until RETURN OF DONNA TROY that they started drawing her with stars in her hair to signal that she was indeed the Goddess of the Moon, which remained constant until WW#1.
Donna's powers as a god are constantly 'on'. She wouldn't just choose to 'not use them' as that would be pointless. Why give her the power to effect things in greater mass, and only to hold back so much? She never had any trouble using her full power before the OYL jump. Why do it now?
The mention of Donna's powers in 'HISTORY OF THE DC UNIVERSE' also has no effect on this situation, since that story takes place immediately after the Infinite Crisis and prior the ONE YEAR LATER jump to the current WW storyline, during which time any number of things could have happened to Donna Troy, including her giving up her god-like powers.
I just have a quick note about Donna's hair in WW #1. In the very first panels, on the first page, she does have (however small they may be) stars in her hair. But then it gets confusing because you don't see it as clearly at any point after that. During IC & 52, it was always blatantly obvious that she had stars in her hair, but, except for the first page in WW #1, they are either so faded that you can't see them, or they've been taken out completely. And I, for one, am very upset that the writers never truly let Donna show off her powers. She was (& still is, as far as I'm concerned, until I hear otherwise) the goddess of the moon, that should come with a hefty helping of new abilities, but even in the Return of Donna Troy series, she's never truly allowed to let loose and kick tail. ((Okay, so that was more than a quick note, but she's my favorite character, so I think I'm entitled.)) Well, that's all from me. StarryEyedAngel 22:41, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
Donna's been presented in previous comics as having her own lasso, although what exactly its powers were or weren't I'm not sure. The lasso she uses in Wonder Woman #1 is obviously Diana's as it exhibits the truth abilities hers is known for. So I guess what I'm asking is where did Don's lasso go, and where did she get it from in the first place? Jupiterzguy 02:14, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
Except for that, in the first issue of the new Wonder Woman comic, Cheetah binds Donna with the Lasso and she can't lie. And when Cheeta tries to compell Donna to drop her weapons Donna replies "The only thing that lasso compells me to do is tell the truth" implying it works on its own. Jupiterzguy 02:14, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
Hi folks - sorry to come late to this discussion, but Donna's lasso, pre-Crisis, definitely had the same powers as Diana's. In New Teen Titans #6, in the big battle against Trigon, Raven mentions that this was one of her main reasons for recruiting Donna for the team: "Your lasso is like Wonder Woman's -- it can sap Trigon's will!" Also, I remember a very old issue of the original Teen Titans series, where they meet the Titans West for the first time, and the inevitable fighting breaks out. Donna encircles all the combatants and orders them to stop, which they immediately do. I believe she even comments on her lasso's magical ability in this scene.
Post-Crisis, they had to remove the magical qualities of her lasso, since she was no longer supposed to have any connection to the Amazons.
I'll need to go dig up those issues to properly reference it, but unless someone can provide a reason not to, I'll update the "Powers and Abilities" section to reflect the above facts.
Seansinc ( talk) 01:03, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
And yet, in the 2010 JLA/JSA teamup, Donna's lasso is blue, and she refers to it, and uses it, as a 'lasso of persuasion'. Not Diana's lasso. Duncan Beach ( talk) 04:37, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
Why does somebody keep removing the link to the Dark Angel page in the Magical Duplicate section? Dark Angel has her own page on Wiki now, so I don't see any reason why the link needs to constantly be removed. Tigrahawk 23:09, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
The end spoiler tag is there, but the beginning is not to be seen. I think we need to correct this problem. I have temporarily placed it at the start of the one year later section. Also, in the weapons section it describes staffs as being Donna's weapons of choice, but in the Return of Donna Troy she states that Starfire had to teach her to use them because she wasn't very good at them. Also, also, maybe we shouldn't comment on her strength being diminished OYL but can we at least make a note that her star speckled hair is gone? Jupiterzguy 02:30, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
i know she's wonder woman in the wonder woman series, but it's obviously been late. as a result, diana is wonder woman in JLA and everywhere else. i think maybe we should get a pic with all her aliases, but still prominently feature the donna as wonder woman pic? if we can't get a good one, then never mind. opinions? -- EXV // + @ 18:55, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
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Is there any relationship to Deanna Troi from Star Trek? Is Deanna Troi built after Donna Troy?
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