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19:38, 18 March 2006 (UTC)19:38, 18 March 2006 (UTC)19:38, 18 March 2006 (UTC)19:38, 18 March 2006 (UTC)19:38, 18 March 2006 (UTC)19:38, 18 March 2006 (UTC)I commented out the last link. It's a raving Ramsey murder nutcase, and I don't think it appropriate even to link to. Find a more sedate and more believable critical link.
Tinasky=Pynchon was not almost universally believed.-- 192.35.35.35 18:56, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)
chocolateboy 12:50, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)
If you're really interested in having a constructive discussion, I strongly suggest you learn to quote rather than vandalising my comments with interlineations.
William Stanley? :-)
As for the link being the work of someone with an agenda: that's a) hardly surprising, and b) no reason to censor it. Wikipedia is full of links to labours of love and labours of hate, many of which, as is the case with this link, are also sources.
chocolateboy 13:19, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I don't know how to enter this as a discussion - to post a comment of my own. I do hope this works and is allowed to stand.
To the moderator of the site - if you read the Ramsey books, you will see I am a serious poster. Feel free to email me with any concerns you have on my additions to this forum. jameson245@aol.com
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.190.158.181 ( talk • contribs)
I went back to an earlier version because I think some of the recent edits were too focused on conveying a particular slant. In particular, I'm not sure what basis there is for defending the removal of information regarding the Ramsey case, along with the source that supported the passage in question. That smacks of whitewashing. If more context is wanted, by all means offer additional sources to provide it.
As for the Elegy, I'm happy to have the article say more explicitly that Foster was tentative about the identification, so I've incorporated some of the changes into the old version. But I thought the newer version was overly defensive of the subject, rather than remaining neutral. -- Michael Snow 20:52, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
I largely agree, and the article looks fine, but this comment is a red herring:
The mirror of the Jameson page is the first thing that comes up on a Google search for Donald Foster, outranking the Lingua Franca article, Foster's faculty page, and news reports of the Ramsey and Hatfill stories.
It's hardly non-notable in this context, and there is, of course, no policy against representing different points of view on a subject, whether they be pro or anti.
Also, it's not accurate to suggest that the Jameson article is about a "separate case". The site that includes it as a subpage is about Bari, but the article itself only mentions that case in passing.
chocolateboy 21:37, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
If Wikipedia doesn't come up on the first page of a Google search of anything, it typically means the Wikipedia article is broken. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] Of course it was excluded from the search above as Wikipedia is not a reliable source for Wikipedia articles.
As mentioned above "agenda driven" is a red herring ("amateur" may be "dubious", but "amateur" and "notable" is not: "amateur" could apply to Snopes, Ain't it Cool News &c. They're saved by the " notable" bell.) NPOV applies to articles, not external links. See the partisan links in (for instance):
- and the parent articles they were broken out of for more "agenda driving".
The "jameson" article is a source for this article. However "agenda driven" that article may be, it contains numerous citations of reputable print sources that discuss Foster's scholarship, as well as being, of course, the primary source of Foster's Ramsey letter. One alternative would be to plunder those references and pass them off as the scholarship of diligent Wikipedians. That wouldn't fall under the rubric of original research as the sources are all reliable and verifiable. However, it would fall under the rubric of "redundant ripoff".
chocolateboy 19:33, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
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19:38, 18 March 2006 (UTC)19:38, 18 March 2006 (UTC)19:38, 18 March 2006 (UTC)19:38, 18 March 2006 (UTC)19:38, 18 March 2006 (UTC)19:38, 18 March 2006 (UTC)I commented out the last link. It's a raving Ramsey murder nutcase, and I don't think it appropriate even to link to. Find a more sedate and more believable critical link.
Tinasky=Pynchon was not almost universally believed.-- 192.35.35.35 18:56, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)
chocolateboy 12:50, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)
If you're really interested in having a constructive discussion, I strongly suggest you learn to quote rather than vandalising my comments with interlineations.
William Stanley? :-)
As for the link being the work of someone with an agenda: that's a) hardly surprising, and b) no reason to censor it. Wikipedia is full of links to labours of love and labours of hate, many of which, as is the case with this link, are also sources.
chocolateboy 13:19, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I don't know how to enter this as a discussion - to post a comment of my own. I do hope this works and is allowed to stand.
To the moderator of the site - if you read the Ramsey books, you will see I am a serious poster. Feel free to email me with any concerns you have on my additions to this forum. jameson245@aol.com
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.190.158.181 ( talk • contribs)
I went back to an earlier version because I think some of the recent edits were too focused on conveying a particular slant. In particular, I'm not sure what basis there is for defending the removal of information regarding the Ramsey case, along with the source that supported the passage in question. That smacks of whitewashing. If more context is wanted, by all means offer additional sources to provide it.
As for the Elegy, I'm happy to have the article say more explicitly that Foster was tentative about the identification, so I've incorporated some of the changes into the old version. But I thought the newer version was overly defensive of the subject, rather than remaining neutral. -- Michael Snow 20:52, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
I largely agree, and the article looks fine, but this comment is a red herring:
The mirror of the Jameson page is the first thing that comes up on a Google search for Donald Foster, outranking the Lingua Franca article, Foster's faculty page, and news reports of the Ramsey and Hatfill stories.
It's hardly non-notable in this context, and there is, of course, no policy against representing different points of view on a subject, whether they be pro or anti.
Also, it's not accurate to suggest that the Jameson article is about a "separate case". The site that includes it as a subpage is about Bari, but the article itself only mentions that case in passing.
chocolateboy 21:37, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
If Wikipedia doesn't come up on the first page of a Google search of anything, it typically means the Wikipedia article is broken. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] Of course it was excluded from the search above as Wikipedia is not a reliable source for Wikipedia articles.
As mentioned above "agenda driven" is a red herring ("amateur" may be "dubious", but "amateur" and "notable" is not: "amateur" could apply to Snopes, Ain't it Cool News &c. They're saved by the " notable" bell.) NPOV applies to articles, not external links. See the partisan links in (for instance):
- and the parent articles they were broken out of for more "agenda driving".
The "jameson" article is a source for this article. However "agenda driven" that article may be, it contains numerous citations of reputable print sources that discuss Foster's scholarship, as well as being, of course, the primary source of Foster's Ramsey letter. One alternative would be to plunder those references and pass them off as the scholarship of diligent Wikipedians. That wouldn't fall under the rubric of original research as the sources are all reliable and verifiable. However, it would fall under the rubric of "redundant ripoff".
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