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How is Barthelme's name pronounced? - Cobra libre 23:43, July 25, 2005 (UTC) It's a mystery. Ask his brothers, Fredrick and Steven, both of whom teach at Southern Mississippi University. Maybe they know something. Kim Herzinger also teaches there and probably knows.
- I have always prounced it "Barth - el - may" but one english teacher of mine prounounced it "Bart - el - may"
Guess that doesn't help too much, but it aught to be one of those two.
- In fact, nothing so exotic. It is pronounced bar-thelm, the syllables equally stressed.
- *It is prounced "Barth - el - me." *THIS IS THE CORRECT PRONUNCIATION
I read that Barthelme never told anyone how to pronunce his name, he just let them say it however they pleased.
- He was my father's cousin and we say Barth-el-me
- when I pronounce it, I always tend to say Barth-Al-Me... maybe it's like that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.175.10.18 ( talk) 21:49, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
- Funny, I've always pronounced it Barth-Elm, not pronouncing the last e, and nobody's corrected me, so the idea of other pronounciations have never really occurred to me. -- 75.157.161.226 ( talk) 07:11, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
- One of my former students worked with his daughter. At my request, the student confirmed with her that the correct pronunciation is indeed: Bart - el - may. Further, it is pronounced this way in an interview with Barthelme here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjokr7W1ixk - I fully expect the interviewer to ensure correct pronunciation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:6011:F906:3007:998:9ED:97E1:C990 ( talk) 13:53, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
"Having essentially an existential outlook, Barthelme looked hard at life and found much wanting, thus developing a sad, satiric outlook."
Essentially and existential are funny together and there two "outlooks" in this sentence. And Barthelme's "sad, satiric, existential outlook" should probably be backed up with a citation. Jordansc 04:03, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
So I deleted it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.172.245.58 ( talk) 17:52, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
...have been drawn with Franz Kafka" ?? This sounds like a line from one of his (Barthelme's) stories. It makes you think, but I'd sure like to know what those parallels are. Wouldn't you? maxsch 05:08, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
From the Dan Rather wikipedia entry: In the December 2001 issue of Harper's Magazine, writer Paul Limbert Allman concluded that Professor Donald Barthelme (who died in 1989) had somehow orchestrated the attack through other unnamed persons, citing unusual passages in Barthelme's writing, including the phrase "What is the frequency?", a recurring character named Kenneth, and a short story about a pompous editor named Lather.[22] The article was adapted into two plays, both entitled "Kenneth, What is the Frequency?" The first was by Ian Allen and Monique LaForce and debuted in Washington, D.C., in 2003.[23] The second, written by Allman himself, premiered in Edinburgh, Scotland, in 2004[24].
Surely this deserves inclusion ? 203.27.72.3 07:00, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
I started a bibliography page for Barthelme, so if you have any info on other texts that don't appear there, or where the stories were originally published, please add it there. AshcroftIleum ( talk) 00:12, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
I've been looking for information about Barthelme's clearly surrealist style and whether or not that was directly influenced by the big "S" Surrealists (as in Andre Breton and the like), and not just people whose style is surreal like Beckett and Kafka. That's why I found this particular phrase interesting: "Barthelme was also quite interested in and influenced by a number of contemporary artists." Can anybody expand on that or point me in a good direction so that I could expand on that? The Surrealists weren't contemporaries, of course, but I'm very curious about who these "contemporary artists" are -- I'm wondering if there's at least an indirect link there. F. Simon Grant ( talk) 16:36, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
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How is Barthelme's name pronounced? - Cobra libre 23:43, July 25, 2005 (UTC) It's a mystery. Ask his brothers, Fredrick and Steven, both of whom teach at Southern Mississippi University. Maybe they know something. Kim Herzinger also teaches there and probably knows.
- I have always prounced it "Barth - el - may" but one english teacher of mine prounounced it "Bart - el - may"
Guess that doesn't help too much, but it aught to be one of those two.
- In fact, nothing so exotic. It is pronounced bar-thelm, the syllables equally stressed.
- *It is prounced "Barth - el - me." *THIS IS THE CORRECT PRONUNCIATION
I read that Barthelme never told anyone how to pronunce his name, he just let them say it however they pleased.
- He was my father's cousin and we say Barth-el-me
- when I pronounce it, I always tend to say Barth-Al-Me... maybe it's like that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.175.10.18 ( talk) 21:49, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
- Funny, I've always pronounced it Barth-Elm, not pronouncing the last e, and nobody's corrected me, so the idea of other pronounciations have never really occurred to me. -- 75.157.161.226 ( talk) 07:11, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
- One of my former students worked with his daughter. At my request, the student confirmed with her that the correct pronunciation is indeed: Bart - el - may. Further, it is pronounced this way in an interview with Barthelme here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjokr7W1ixk - I fully expect the interviewer to ensure correct pronunciation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:6011:F906:3007:998:9ED:97E1:C990 ( talk) 13:53, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
"Having essentially an existential outlook, Barthelme looked hard at life and found much wanting, thus developing a sad, satiric outlook."
Essentially and existential are funny together and there two "outlooks" in this sentence. And Barthelme's "sad, satiric, existential outlook" should probably be backed up with a citation. Jordansc 04:03, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
So I deleted it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.172.245.58 ( talk) 17:52, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
...have been drawn with Franz Kafka" ?? This sounds like a line from one of his (Barthelme's) stories. It makes you think, but I'd sure like to know what those parallels are. Wouldn't you? maxsch 05:08, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
From the Dan Rather wikipedia entry: In the December 2001 issue of Harper's Magazine, writer Paul Limbert Allman concluded that Professor Donald Barthelme (who died in 1989) had somehow orchestrated the attack through other unnamed persons, citing unusual passages in Barthelme's writing, including the phrase "What is the frequency?", a recurring character named Kenneth, and a short story about a pompous editor named Lather.[22] The article was adapted into two plays, both entitled "Kenneth, What is the Frequency?" The first was by Ian Allen and Monique LaForce and debuted in Washington, D.C., in 2003.[23] The second, written by Allman himself, premiered in Edinburgh, Scotland, in 2004[24].
Surely this deserves inclusion ? 203.27.72.3 07:00, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
I started a bibliography page for Barthelme, so if you have any info on other texts that don't appear there, or where the stories were originally published, please add it there. AshcroftIleum ( talk) 00:12, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
I've been looking for information about Barthelme's clearly surrealist style and whether or not that was directly influenced by the big "S" Surrealists (as in Andre Breton and the like), and not just people whose style is surreal like Beckett and Kafka. That's why I found this particular phrase interesting: "Barthelme was also quite interested in and influenced by a number of contemporary artists." Can anybody expand on that or point me in a good direction so that I could expand on that? The Surrealists weren't contemporaries, of course, but I'm very curious about who these "contemporary artists" are -- I'm wondering if there's at least an indirect link there. F. Simon Grant ( talk) 16:36, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
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