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Image talk:Bradman out for a duck.jpg (removed from article Don Bradman) - This photo's source is the State Library of South Australia [1]. The page states that the image is out of copyright. The photo was however apparently taken in London (the description says ..played at the Oval, London, on 14, 16, 17 and 18 August 1948.). The original source is not stated and not known. Would Australian copyright expiry pre-1955 be applicable here? If not would this still be under copyright anywhere else? -- Ian ≡ talk 18:05, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
I uploaded a picture at the commons that I thought might be good for this article. It is at Bradman_1937.jgp, and it's in public domain as it was taking in Australia before 1955. I hope you can put it to good use. Raven4x4x 06:41, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
John Bradman was the subject of a minor controversy when he changed his surname to Bradenham,which was the original family name,before legally changing it to Bradsen, in an attempt to avoid the publicity attached to the Bradman name.
Didn't he change it back to Bradman sometime in the 1970s ? Tintin 19:46, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
The original family name was Bradnam according to Charles Williams' biography "Bradman". I have personally inspected the gravestones of his ancestors in Withersfield churchyard, Suffolk, and the name on them is Bradnam. - AG, Stockport.
current version has "and is one of Australia's most popular sporting heroes" i think that its would be better with "and is one of Australia's sporting icons" though using "and is one of Australia's sporting legends" could also be acceptable
I know it's a matter of wording but the use of the word "hero" under values the status of Sir Donald within Cricket and Australia Gnangarra 16:44, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
I would like to add external link of Sir Donald Bradman's biography available at World of Biography -- Kbi911 10:28, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
Surely it should be mentioned that The Don needed only 4 more runs to achieve a test batting average of 100.0, but he got out for a duck in his final innings.
I removed this from the article:
It doesn't seem to me worth documenting this here. "Is supposed to" is not encyclopedic language. Bradman had scored 40 before getting out in 1930 so it was only a relative failure, and there are other achievements of Bradman's that seem much more deserving of a place in the article. It probably should be documented that N. S. Joseph's first first-class wicket off his first ball was Don Bradman, but that's a notable achievement of Joseph, not Bradman's, and should go in Joseph's article (in fact it's already there). -- RobertG ♬ talk 12:06, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
His average is allegedly immortalised as the post office box number of the Australian Broadcasting Corporation - "Box 9994 in your capital city". This claim has been in the article for yonks but I confess I've never heard of it anywhere outside Wikipedia. Does anyone have a source, or was it just coincidence? -- Ian ≡ talk 01:16, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
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Can anyone attribute the quote in which he said that his batting average against modern bowlers would only be 80 or so, to which the interviewer replied that he must think bowlers have improved since his day, to which he replied that he was 70 years old! It would be great to put that in. - AG, Stockport.
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Regarding batting technique, did he practice what he preached? His coordination and speed were so amazing that he employed to good effect unorthodox shots that are disapproved of in most coaching manuals, notably the pull to leg from outside off stump. It would have been great to see him in 1-day cricket where improvisation counts - AG, Stockport.
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Was it true that you could write to "Don Bradman, Australia" and it would get to him? If so, worth mentioning...
I have a copy of "The Best of the Best" by Charlie Walsh, which is a fascinating tome, mainly concerned with statistical evaluation of cricketers in various ways, however there is a small section comparing different figures and their relative dominance within their respective sports. According to Walsh's analysis, "only about 1 in 200,000 test cricketers should be this good" (p 197). Using his statistical system, he has devised a series of bell-curves for various sports, with the deviation from the norm giving an individual sportsman's 'z score'. On page 215, he gives a comparison of those who recorded the highest z scores from major sports- Bradman 4.4 Pele 3.7 Ty Cobb (baseball batting) 3.6 Jack Nicklaus 3.5 Michael Jordan 3.4 Borg 3.2 Joe Montana (American Football) 3.1.
He notes: "The glaring anomaly here is cricket. We have already seen in the previous chapter how incredibly improbable Don Bradman's career was, in a statistical sense. This is underlined by the fact that the next best cricketer ever, Gary Sobers, has a z-score around 3.3, nicely within the range of the champions of other sports. It is Bradman who is anomalous, not the game of cricket itself.... The aim of this analysis has not been to prove conclusively that there are no sportsmen anywhere, of any era, to compare with Don Bradman. It has certainly shown, however, that if comparable figures do exist, they are very hard to find in the major sports. Put simply, the enormous performance gap between Bradman and all other cricketers has no equivalent in any of the sports studied so far. From the z-scores, one can estimate what a 'Bradmanesque equivalent' would achieve in other sports. For example:
-Baseball: a career batting average of 0.392 -Basketball: a career average of 43 points per game -Tennis: 15-20 Grand Slam titles in 10 years -Golf: over 25 major titles -Soccer: an average of just over 1 goal per game, and 100 goals in an international career." pp 215, 216
Compress this, or pluck out a few salient points, as you will. Unless you want me to do it.
Eusebius12
19:50, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
No worries! Eusebius12 13:13, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, I was thinking of an Australian radio comm Eusebius12 13:25, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
I've moved the very specific statements about "equivalent" baseball and basketball performances down to the statistical analysis section, with an expanded summary of Davis' argument. Those equivalences are too detailed to belong in the opening paragraph. Can you please confirm the particular stats for the other sportsmen in the comparison list, and tell me what stat Joe Montana's record is for? - dmmaus 04:02, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
"For the record, a bell curve of American football official 'Quarterback Ratings' has been constructed (not shown), which gives the top quarterbacks Joe Montana and Steve Young z-scores of just over 3.0. Seperate bell curves could be constructed for other disciplines in this sport". So although quarterbacks were here the only ones considered, it appears that none are at all comparable with Bradman in terms of dominance. Soccer I assume was compared based upon goal scoring, Baseball in batting averages (I wonder where LN Ryan might figure amongst pitchers), Basketball p/game, tennis grand slam wins.
What other details might you folks be interested in the book? Eusebius12 13:25, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Does the book include any figures for Dhyan Chand in field hockey ? Tintin ( talk) 07:22, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
No, unfortunately, but no doubt a curve and a rating could be constructed based on goal scoring and relative (within and across eras) dominance. Was Chand a more dominant goal scorer than say, Bovenlander?
Eusebius12
Don't get me wrong: I am a huge fan of cricket and of Bradman. However, I do think the statistical comparisons are getting carried away. In the opening paragraph, Michael Hussey's average is included as the second-best, yet Hussey is still playing. I believe the accepted standard for comparing historical averages for all sports, is to compare career figures only for players who are no longer playing. I am not particularly concerned whether you leave Hussey's figure in or not. But it has an effect on the surrounding claims: if you leave Hussey's figure in, then these claims are in fact wrong. I am referring to the phrases "...by some measures the greatest statistical performance of all time in any major sport" and "This disparity between the best and the second best exceeds that in other sports...". If Hussey's figure is left in, then Bradman's average is better than Hussey's by about 30%. (Sorry, I am not capable of calculating or even understanding standard deviations, and so if this means I am wrong, then I will apologise.)
The first statement refers to "other major sports" but doesn't qualify what that means: which sports are major, and which minor? However, I believe it is fair to say that ice hockey is a major sport, and if you agree with this, then we must consider the career of Wayne Gretzky. In hockey, the most significant measure of a career is 'points scored', and by this token, Gretzky (with 2,856) is almost 54% better than the second best (Mark Messier, with 1,855). Gretzky also scored his points in fewer games than Messier (1,485 versus 1,756). By this measure, and if you leave Hussey's figure in the comparison to Bradman, then the "disparity between the best and the second best" does not exceed that of other sports. Leave Hussey's figure in, and Gretzky's career stats take the title of "best in any major sport".
Statistics in all sports have their "hidden quirks" -- things which are not immediately apparent to a casual observer and which, when explained, may not make sense to someone who doesn't understand the sport. Hockey and cricket are no exceptions. In cricket, the quirk is that a batsman's average is not his total runs divided by his total innings (as it is in baseball, for example). Because of the way cricket is played, a batsman's average is the total divided by how many times he was "out". To anyone who knows the game, this makes sense, but try explaining this to a baseball fan!
In hockey, the quirk is that 'points' are not equal to 'goals'. A point is earned by scoring a goal, or by 'assisting' (where an 'assist' is passing the puck to the scorer -- in fact, either of the two previous passers!). Worse, both the goal and the two assists each earn one 'point' -- a goal isn't worth more than either of the assists. This sounds strange: it is not, for example, how it works in soccer. But, just as for cricket, this method of measurement makes complete sense in the context of how hockey is played -- and just as for cricket, I couldn't even begin to explain that to someone who doesn't understand the sport. (When I started watching hockey a few years ago, I didn't get this at all, but now I do.)
If you remove Hussey's figure from the comparison, then all is restored: because then, Bradman is 64% better than the next best. Also, please excuse me if I have not signed my comments correctly or have broken some other protocol -- I am new to this and in a hurry, but will try to come back later and attend to it. User:AlistairLW
I believe the 'Statistically Greatest Ever Sportsman' title is held by David Foster (Woodchopping) whose dominance is insurmountable. Over 1000 championship titles (compared to the next best, 123) and also winning the World Championship Title 21 years straight (no one has come even remotely close) plus several more. Surely he should be mentioned in this discussion.
This is not a joke by the way, look it up.
GrabGrabGrab
16:45, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
I see no reason for this to remain a separate article, and I suggest anything not already in here be merged, and the article redirected. Night Gyr ( talk/ Oy) 17:14, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
Finding the citation might be tricky. We can certainly find any number of sources that Bradman was the greatest. I doubt anyone writing since World War Two would claim any other batsman was the greatest. But how do you prove that? Unless, I suppose, we find a source that says something like "Bradman is universally recognised..." !!! How would you prove that everyone thinks water is wet? -- Dweller 09:07, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
Thanks to Michael Hussey, part of the lead to this article now reads:
The problem is that because of the aforementioned Hussey, the "disparity between the best and the second best" is only half what it was. 19 runs is still a big gap, but nothing like 39! Of course Hussey's career probably has some way to run, but even so... Loganberry ( Talk) 16:50, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
Can't help with the Gretzky stuff (better dealt with elsewhere in the article anyway) but I've fixed both places where Hussey's inclusion caused problems. -- Dweller 16:56, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
I might be mistaken but Bradman was a Methodist, not Church of England. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 206.195.19.46 ( talk) 17:14, 5 December 2006 (UTC).
Just a suggestion, shouldn't someone mention that Bradman is actually mentioned in the Australian law (I forget exactly which one) that states you can't have a business name that implies any connection to the royal family, the government or Sir Donald Bradman. I think it may be the Corporations Act 2001. Jabso 05:24, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
On British radio I _think_ I once heard an archive clip of Sir Don playing very attractive jazz-ish piano in the 1930s or 1940s. If I'm not completely out of my tree here, would anyone who knows about SDB's amateur music-making care to add a sentence or two about it? If I'm completely off track and bringing shame upon this page - apologies. Regards, Notreallydavid 04:41, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
Not particularly important, but I would've thought Don Bradman would've been a more apt title. Donald is probably more common when used in conjunction with the honorific, but the article doesn't use that, so Don Bradman would surely be the more common appellation.
I believe that it would be interesting to place Stephen Hendry's (snooker) achievements regarding century breaks into the table of elite sportspeople. Stephen currently has 698 century breaks, I believe Ronnie O'Sullivan is in 2nd with around 450. I am not sure what calculations have been made in order to come up with this table, but I would be very grateful if somebody could find out if Stephen gets anywhere near Don.
Andy4226uk 14:36, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
As mentioned above, Don Bradman is far the more common name and the article should be called that. According to the Wikipedia policy (that the most common should be used) this is where it should go. Nomadtales 01:23, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
Something that isn't made entirely clear in this article, and in fact isn't made entirely clear in the majority of the writing about Bradman's last Test innings, is that it was not certain at the time that it would be his last innings, as opposed to his final match. He came to the wicket with Australia 117/1, and had Australia collapsed and therefore not won the match by an innings, Bradman might have had another chance in their second innings.
Given that Bradman was out for a duck in the first innings, he would have needed to have made either 104 (if dismissed) or 4 (if remaining not out) to achieve the 100 average. England's first-innings collapse ( scorecard) would have made it hard to avoid that innings victory, but it would not have been impossible. Time would not have been a problem, as the match was over with a day to spare. Loganberry ( Talk) 00:15, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
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Image talk:Bradman out for a duck.jpg (removed from article Don Bradman) - This photo's source is the State Library of South Australia [1]. The page states that the image is out of copyright. The photo was however apparently taken in London (the description says ..played at the Oval, London, on 14, 16, 17 and 18 August 1948.). The original source is not stated and not known. Would Australian copyright expiry pre-1955 be applicable here? If not would this still be under copyright anywhere else? -- Ian ≡ talk 18:05, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
I uploaded a picture at the commons that I thought might be good for this article. It is at Bradman_1937.jgp, and it's in public domain as it was taking in Australia before 1955. I hope you can put it to good use. Raven4x4x 06:41, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
John Bradman was the subject of a minor controversy when he changed his surname to Bradenham,which was the original family name,before legally changing it to Bradsen, in an attempt to avoid the publicity attached to the Bradman name.
Didn't he change it back to Bradman sometime in the 1970s ? Tintin 19:46, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
The original family name was Bradnam according to Charles Williams' biography "Bradman". I have personally inspected the gravestones of his ancestors in Withersfield churchyard, Suffolk, and the name on them is Bradnam. - AG, Stockport.
current version has "and is one of Australia's most popular sporting heroes" i think that its would be better with "and is one of Australia's sporting icons" though using "and is one of Australia's sporting legends" could also be acceptable
I know it's a matter of wording but the use of the word "hero" under values the status of Sir Donald within Cricket and Australia Gnangarra 16:44, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
I would like to add external link of Sir Donald Bradman's biography available at World of Biography -- Kbi911 10:28, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
Surely it should be mentioned that The Don needed only 4 more runs to achieve a test batting average of 100.0, but he got out for a duck in his final innings.
I removed this from the article:
It doesn't seem to me worth documenting this here. "Is supposed to" is not encyclopedic language. Bradman had scored 40 before getting out in 1930 so it was only a relative failure, and there are other achievements of Bradman's that seem much more deserving of a place in the article. It probably should be documented that N. S. Joseph's first first-class wicket off his first ball was Don Bradman, but that's a notable achievement of Joseph, not Bradman's, and should go in Joseph's article (in fact it's already there). -- RobertG ♬ talk 12:06, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
His average is allegedly immortalised as the post office box number of the Australian Broadcasting Corporation - "Box 9994 in your capital city". This claim has been in the article for yonks but I confess I've never heard of it anywhere outside Wikipedia. Does anyone have a source, or was it just coincidence? -- Ian ≡ talk 01:16, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
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Can anyone attribute the quote in which he said that his batting average against modern bowlers would only be 80 or so, to which the interviewer replied that he must think bowlers have improved since his day, to which he replied that he was 70 years old! It would be great to put that in. - AG, Stockport.
____________________________
Regarding batting technique, did he practice what he preached? His coordination and speed were so amazing that he employed to good effect unorthodox shots that are disapproved of in most coaching manuals, notably the pull to leg from outside off stump. It would have been great to see him in 1-day cricket where improvisation counts - AG, Stockport.
______________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Was it true that you could write to "Don Bradman, Australia" and it would get to him? If so, worth mentioning...
I have a copy of "The Best of the Best" by Charlie Walsh, which is a fascinating tome, mainly concerned with statistical evaluation of cricketers in various ways, however there is a small section comparing different figures and their relative dominance within their respective sports. According to Walsh's analysis, "only about 1 in 200,000 test cricketers should be this good" (p 197). Using his statistical system, he has devised a series of bell-curves for various sports, with the deviation from the norm giving an individual sportsman's 'z score'. On page 215, he gives a comparison of those who recorded the highest z scores from major sports- Bradman 4.4 Pele 3.7 Ty Cobb (baseball batting) 3.6 Jack Nicklaus 3.5 Michael Jordan 3.4 Borg 3.2 Joe Montana (American Football) 3.1.
He notes: "The glaring anomaly here is cricket. We have already seen in the previous chapter how incredibly improbable Don Bradman's career was, in a statistical sense. This is underlined by the fact that the next best cricketer ever, Gary Sobers, has a z-score around 3.3, nicely within the range of the champions of other sports. It is Bradman who is anomalous, not the game of cricket itself.... The aim of this analysis has not been to prove conclusively that there are no sportsmen anywhere, of any era, to compare with Don Bradman. It has certainly shown, however, that if comparable figures do exist, they are very hard to find in the major sports. Put simply, the enormous performance gap between Bradman and all other cricketers has no equivalent in any of the sports studied so far. From the z-scores, one can estimate what a 'Bradmanesque equivalent' would achieve in other sports. For example:
-Baseball: a career batting average of 0.392 -Basketball: a career average of 43 points per game -Tennis: 15-20 Grand Slam titles in 10 years -Golf: over 25 major titles -Soccer: an average of just over 1 goal per game, and 100 goals in an international career." pp 215, 216
Compress this, or pluck out a few salient points, as you will. Unless you want me to do it.
Eusebius12
19:50, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
No worries! Eusebius12 13:13, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, I was thinking of an Australian radio comm Eusebius12 13:25, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
I've moved the very specific statements about "equivalent" baseball and basketball performances down to the statistical analysis section, with an expanded summary of Davis' argument. Those equivalences are too detailed to belong in the opening paragraph. Can you please confirm the particular stats for the other sportsmen in the comparison list, and tell me what stat Joe Montana's record is for? - dmmaus 04:02, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
"For the record, a bell curve of American football official 'Quarterback Ratings' has been constructed (not shown), which gives the top quarterbacks Joe Montana and Steve Young z-scores of just over 3.0. Seperate bell curves could be constructed for other disciplines in this sport". So although quarterbacks were here the only ones considered, it appears that none are at all comparable with Bradman in terms of dominance. Soccer I assume was compared based upon goal scoring, Baseball in batting averages (I wonder where LN Ryan might figure amongst pitchers), Basketball p/game, tennis grand slam wins.
What other details might you folks be interested in the book? Eusebius12 13:25, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Does the book include any figures for Dhyan Chand in field hockey ? Tintin ( talk) 07:22, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
No, unfortunately, but no doubt a curve and a rating could be constructed based on goal scoring and relative (within and across eras) dominance. Was Chand a more dominant goal scorer than say, Bovenlander?
Eusebius12
Don't get me wrong: I am a huge fan of cricket and of Bradman. However, I do think the statistical comparisons are getting carried away. In the opening paragraph, Michael Hussey's average is included as the second-best, yet Hussey is still playing. I believe the accepted standard for comparing historical averages for all sports, is to compare career figures only for players who are no longer playing. I am not particularly concerned whether you leave Hussey's figure in or not. But it has an effect on the surrounding claims: if you leave Hussey's figure in, then these claims are in fact wrong. I am referring to the phrases "...by some measures the greatest statistical performance of all time in any major sport" and "This disparity between the best and the second best exceeds that in other sports...". If Hussey's figure is left in, then Bradman's average is better than Hussey's by about 30%. (Sorry, I am not capable of calculating or even understanding standard deviations, and so if this means I am wrong, then I will apologise.)
The first statement refers to "other major sports" but doesn't qualify what that means: which sports are major, and which minor? However, I believe it is fair to say that ice hockey is a major sport, and if you agree with this, then we must consider the career of Wayne Gretzky. In hockey, the most significant measure of a career is 'points scored', and by this token, Gretzky (with 2,856) is almost 54% better than the second best (Mark Messier, with 1,855). Gretzky also scored his points in fewer games than Messier (1,485 versus 1,756). By this measure, and if you leave Hussey's figure in the comparison to Bradman, then the "disparity between the best and the second best" does not exceed that of other sports. Leave Hussey's figure in, and Gretzky's career stats take the title of "best in any major sport".
Statistics in all sports have their "hidden quirks" -- things which are not immediately apparent to a casual observer and which, when explained, may not make sense to someone who doesn't understand the sport. Hockey and cricket are no exceptions. In cricket, the quirk is that a batsman's average is not his total runs divided by his total innings (as it is in baseball, for example). Because of the way cricket is played, a batsman's average is the total divided by how many times he was "out". To anyone who knows the game, this makes sense, but try explaining this to a baseball fan!
In hockey, the quirk is that 'points' are not equal to 'goals'. A point is earned by scoring a goal, or by 'assisting' (where an 'assist' is passing the puck to the scorer -- in fact, either of the two previous passers!). Worse, both the goal and the two assists each earn one 'point' -- a goal isn't worth more than either of the assists. This sounds strange: it is not, for example, how it works in soccer. But, just as for cricket, this method of measurement makes complete sense in the context of how hockey is played -- and just as for cricket, I couldn't even begin to explain that to someone who doesn't understand the sport. (When I started watching hockey a few years ago, I didn't get this at all, but now I do.)
If you remove Hussey's figure from the comparison, then all is restored: because then, Bradman is 64% better than the next best. Also, please excuse me if I have not signed my comments correctly or have broken some other protocol -- I am new to this and in a hurry, but will try to come back later and attend to it. User:AlistairLW
I believe the 'Statistically Greatest Ever Sportsman' title is held by David Foster (Woodchopping) whose dominance is insurmountable. Over 1000 championship titles (compared to the next best, 123) and also winning the World Championship Title 21 years straight (no one has come even remotely close) plus several more. Surely he should be mentioned in this discussion.
This is not a joke by the way, look it up.
GrabGrabGrab
16:45, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
I see no reason for this to remain a separate article, and I suggest anything not already in here be merged, and the article redirected. Night Gyr ( talk/ Oy) 17:14, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
Finding the citation might be tricky. We can certainly find any number of sources that Bradman was the greatest. I doubt anyone writing since World War Two would claim any other batsman was the greatest. But how do you prove that? Unless, I suppose, we find a source that says something like "Bradman is universally recognised..." !!! How would you prove that everyone thinks water is wet? -- Dweller 09:07, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
Thanks to Michael Hussey, part of the lead to this article now reads:
The problem is that because of the aforementioned Hussey, the "disparity between the best and the second best" is only half what it was. 19 runs is still a big gap, but nothing like 39! Of course Hussey's career probably has some way to run, but even so... Loganberry ( Talk) 16:50, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
Can't help with the Gretzky stuff (better dealt with elsewhere in the article anyway) but I've fixed both places where Hussey's inclusion caused problems. -- Dweller 16:56, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
I might be mistaken but Bradman was a Methodist, not Church of England. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 206.195.19.46 ( talk) 17:14, 5 December 2006 (UTC).
Just a suggestion, shouldn't someone mention that Bradman is actually mentioned in the Australian law (I forget exactly which one) that states you can't have a business name that implies any connection to the royal family, the government or Sir Donald Bradman. I think it may be the Corporations Act 2001. Jabso 05:24, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
On British radio I _think_ I once heard an archive clip of Sir Don playing very attractive jazz-ish piano in the 1930s or 1940s. If I'm not completely out of my tree here, would anyone who knows about SDB's amateur music-making care to add a sentence or two about it? If I'm completely off track and bringing shame upon this page - apologies. Regards, Notreallydavid 04:41, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
Not particularly important, but I would've thought Don Bradman would've been a more apt title. Donald is probably more common when used in conjunction with the honorific, but the article doesn't use that, so Don Bradman would surely be the more common appellation.
I believe that it would be interesting to place Stephen Hendry's (snooker) achievements regarding century breaks into the table of elite sportspeople. Stephen currently has 698 century breaks, I believe Ronnie O'Sullivan is in 2nd with around 450. I am not sure what calculations have been made in order to come up with this table, but I would be very grateful if somebody could find out if Stephen gets anywhere near Don.
Andy4226uk 14:36, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
As mentioned above, Don Bradman is far the more common name and the article should be called that. According to the Wikipedia policy (that the most common should be used) this is where it should go. Nomadtales 01:23, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
Something that isn't made entirely clear in this article, and in fact isn't made entirely clear in the majority of the writing about Bradman's last Test innings, is that it was not certain at the time that it would be his last innings, as opposed to his final match. He came to the wicket with Australia 117/1, and had Australia collapsed and therefore not won the match by an innings, Bradman might have had another chance in their second innings.
Given that Bradman was out for a duck in the first innings, he would have needed to have made either 104 (if dismissed) or 4 (if remaining not out) to achieve the 100 average. England's first-innings collapse ( scorecard) would have made it hard to avoid that innings victory, but it would not have been impossible. Time would not have been a problem, as the match was over with a day to spare. Loganberry ( Talk) 00:15, 22 May 2007 (UTC)