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There has been a lot of editing to the page due to disagreements on the band's genre. To solve this, lets have everyone present their reasoning/evidence on why they claim a certain way. If we can come to an agreement here, it'll be more likely to stay what we can agree on.
Please discuss below. I'll present information later. Sergecross73 msg me 20:57, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
To me, it seems like both Gothic Rock and Alternative Rock can be verified by legit sources. Anyone else? Sergecross73 msg me 16:38, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
-more evidence Dommin is "Gothic Rock":
http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/newreleases/release.aspx?releaseID=403
http://store.roadrunnerrecords.com/artists/Dommin_2/DOMMIN-Love-Is-Gone-CD-Shirt-Bundle;jsessionid=0a010c441f431ba88d002c194d218267ec4fbda24294.e3eTaxaQbxmTe34Pa38Ta38Mbxz0
http://allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=11:avfqxqydldte (Goth Rock is the first listing under their style; their genre is "Pop/Rock", which all Rock bands fall under, including bands such as Slayer, I had to explain this to Peter Harrison)
70.127.189.179 ( talk) 22:16, 12 May 2010 (UTC)Conception515
Dommin is commonly mistaken for being Gothic. Firstly, their musical style contains soft melodies and guitars with a lighter sound than that of Gothic Rock or Gothic Metal. Even though, in "My Heart, Your Hands", they have played the audio of Gothic church bells as part of the melody; that does not constitute a Gothic band. [1] [2] Secondly, Dommin's lyrical style is very modern and simple; unlike lyrics in most Gothic Rock and Gothic Metal bands which have been known to be to the style of the antient Gothic era in Europe, known to be dark, morbid, haunting, deep, etc. Kristofer's style in vocals are more similar to that of most American rock bands than they are of most Gothic Rock or Gothic Metal bands. [3] Lastly, concerning appearance, they dress like Greasers; like from the famous American novel The Outsiders, written by S. E. Hinton, and the famous American musical Grease which became mainstream when it was made into a feature film in 1978. [4] [5] [6] Kristofer describes his band by saying, "We're not all that different." [7]
All of this certainly does not belong in the band's introduction, and it doesn't really belong in the article at all. It may be sourced, but it sounds like it belongs in a school essay on gothic music, not the article.
Arguments over genre are fairly common on wikipedia. Find a reliable source, (ie not from the band, or a fansite/forum) and add it to the article/info box. Keep the rationale to the discussion page like I have done.
Also, there's no reason why they can't be listed as both "gothic" and "pop" rock. Honestly that seems like the most accurrate description of them anyways... Sergecross73 msg me 17:08, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
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Kristofer describes his band by saying, "We're not all that different."
Now, I'm not claiming this this isn't factual, I don't doubt he said it. But what's the point?
-Harrison Peter K -- On every band page, there is always a quote by the band leader or a member of the band describing how they feel about their band. I don't see why not put this quote in if other pages have similar quotes by band leaders of their respective bands. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Harrison Peter K ( talk • contribs) 13:56, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
- Harrison Peter K -- Ignoring the context of what I say is not going to change the fact that, on the Dommin website, Dommin described his band as "We're not all that different." That is why I cited their band website's bio because that is where he is quoted in saying that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Harrison Peter K ( talk • contribs) 14:25, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
-Harrison Peter K -- But we're not talking about anything vague like "I like stuff. Stuff is good." We're talking about the band leader briefly describing his band. Much how other band leaders do the exact same. Check the source if you honestly don't believe it goes there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.11.228.23 ( talk) 14:52, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
Peter Harrison should be blocked from editing this page anymore, he clearly has some weird agenda and has relenetlessly tried to shoehorn irrelevant details into the article (such as the Greaser thing; not to mention, he's the only person I've ever heard describe them as such, and, anecdotally, in the two times I've met them, they certainly didn't dress like Greasers). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.127.189.179 ( talk) 22:08, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
I don't think "like other American Emo bands" is appropriate for this section. Where have they been classified as Emo? There is no reference for that claim. Conception515 ( talk) 12:19, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
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There has been a lot of editing to the page due to disagreements on the band's genre. To solve this, lets have everyone present their reasoning/evidence on why they claim a certain way. If we can come to an agreement here, it'll be more likely to stay what we can agree on.
Please discuss below. I'll present information later. Sergecross73 msg me 20:57, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
To me, it seems like both Gothic Rock and Alternative Rock can be verified by legit sources. Anyone else? Sergecross73 msg me 16:38, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
-more evidence Dommin is "Gothic Rock":
http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/newreleases/release.aspx?releaseID=403
http://store.roadrunnerrecords.com/artists/Dommin_2/DOMMIN-Love-Is-Gone-CD-Shirt-Bundle;jsessionid=0a010c441f431ba88d002c194d218267ec4fbda24294.e3eTaxaQbxmTe34Pa38Ta38Mbxz0
http://allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=11:avfqxqydldte (Goth Rock is the first listing under their style; their genre is "Pop/Rock", which all Rock bands fall under, including bands such as Slayer, I had to explain this to Peter Harrison)
70.127.189.179 ( talk) 22:16, 12 May 2010 (UTC)Conception515
Dommin is commonly mistaken for being Gothic. Firstly, their musical style contains soft melodies and guitars with a lighter sound than that of Gothic Rock or Gothic Metal. Even though, in "My Heart, Your Hands", they have played the audio of Gothic church bells as part of the melody; that does not constitute a Gothic band. [1] [2] Secondly, Dommin's lyrical style is very modern and simple; unlike lyrics in most Gothic Rock and Gothic Metal bands which have been known to be to the style of the antient Gothic era in Europe, known to be dark, morbid, haunting, deep, etc. Kristofer's style in vocals are more similar to that of most American rock bands than they are of most Gothic Rock or Gothic Metal bands. [3] Lastly, concerning appearance, they dress like Greasers; like from the famous American novel The Outsiders, written by S. E. Hinton, and the famous American musical Grease which became mainstream when it was made into a feature film in 1978. [4] [5] [6] Kristofer describes his band by saying, "We're not all that different." [7]
All of this certainly does not belong in the band's introduction, and it doesn't really belong in the article at all. It may be sourced, but it sounds like it belongs in a school essay on gothic music, not the article.
Arguments over genre are fairly common on wikipedia. Find a reliable source, (ie not from the band, or a fansite/forum) and add it to the article/info box. Keep the rationale to the discussion page like I have done.
Also, there's no reason why they can't be listed as both "gothic" and "pop" rock. Honestly that seems like the most accurrate description of them anyways... Sergecross73 msg me 17:08, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
References
Kristofer describes his band by saying, "We're not all that different."
Now, I'm not claiming this this isn't factual, I don't doubt he said it. But what's the point?
-Harrison Peter K -- On every band page, there is always a quote by the band leader or a member of the band describing how they feel about their band. I don't see why not put this quote in if other pages have similar quotes by band leaders of their respective bands. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Harrison Peter K ( talk • contribs) 13:56, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
- Harrison Peter K -- Ignoring the context of what I say is not going to change the fact that, on the Dommin website, Dommin described his band as "We're not all that different." That is why I cited their band website's bio because that is where he is quoted in saying that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Harrison Peter K ( talk • contribs) 14:25, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
-Harrison Peter K -- But we're not talking about anything vague like "I like stuff. Stuff is good." We're talking about the band leader briefly describing his band. Much how other band leaders do the exact same. Check the source if you honestly don't believe it goes there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.11.228.23 ( talk) 14:52, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
Peter Harrison should be blocked from editing this page anymore, he clearly has some weird agenda and has relenetlessly tried to shoehorn irrelevant details into the article (such as the Greaser thing; not to mention, he's the only person I've ever heard describe them as such, and, anecdotally, in the two times I've met them, they certainly didn't dress like Greasers). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.127.189.179 ( talk) 22:08, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
I don't think "like other American Emo bands" is appropriate for this section. Where have they been classified as Emo? There is no reference for that claim. Conception515 ( talk) 12:19, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
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