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The same scammers appears to be run under various names:
Various domains:
If you are aware of any additional ones, please add them. -- Hm2k ( talk) 11:07, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
Article semi-protected. -- Dweller ( talk) 15:42, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
After reading this article on Domain Registry of America and others, I find it to be written with extreme negative bias. I know the company has been in business for over 11 years and manages hundreds of thousands of domains worldwide. I am certain that there must be some positive information that can be written about this company as I am yet to see 1 actual complaint about their products or services anywhere on the web.
For example I just read the article on Bell Canada. In case you are not aware, they just pled guilty to misleading advertising which is a criminal offence and paid a record fine of $100 million as a penalty. This is not the first time Bell Canada has been found guilty of fraudulent acts, yet when you read their wiki, there is no mention of it or any other bad actions that the company has taken. I also looked at Microsoft, which I am sure you are aware paid Euros$650 million is fines along with others, but once again no mention on the wiki article.
While Domain Registry of America is not the size of Microsoft or Bell Canada, it is a very large company with hundreds of thousands of customers worldwide and it along with others has had its differences with the regulartory bodies, but like other companies it has resolved them.
It is unfair that entire Domain Registry of America page forwards to a heading of "domain slamming". A wikipedia article should be informative, and provide all the available information regarding a company, not just the negative.
In case you are not aware there was a process introduced by ICANN in 2004 which requires authorization codes in order for a domain to be transferred between Registrars so "domain slamming" is a process that can no longer be carried out by anyone. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.13.106.226 ( talk) 18:12, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
There actually is an entire wikipedia page on transfer codes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transfer_secret
Other domain name companies like Enom, do not have anything notable yet they have a wiki ariticle that is not written with bias. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.34.87.177 ( talk) 02:17, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
Looking through this article, it seems to me that there are a couple of issues here. First, I have to agree that there are NPOV concerns. For example, Liberty Names of America redirects here, but our source actually says that they are not guilty of domain slamming (though the source does say they are engaging in sleazy marketing). So, both the redirect and the section here have NPOV problems and are potentially libellous. Second, the one sentence section on "New Zealand Domain Registration Ltd" is copied verbatim from the source.
I haven't looked hard at the rest of the article, but it seems a major overhaul is needed here.-- Kubigula ( talk) 03:53, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
"Domain Slamming" is a slang term for "unauthorized transfers" and therefore you will never see an "official" article from any governing body saying they have stopped "domain slamming". Please see the enclosed ICANN page about stopping unauthorized tranfers: http://www.icann.org/en/transfers/epp-status-codes-30jun11-en.pdf I can tell you that these "EPP Codes" came into effect in 2004 and there can and has never been an instance of "domain slamming" or an "unauthorized transfer" since. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.34.87.177 ( talk) 12:46, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
For someone who knows how to write, it appears you are having difficulty reading or never took the time to read any advertisements by Domain Registry of America. A simple read of any solictations sent by Domain Registry clearly state "now is the time to transfer your domain name from your current Registrar to Domain Registry of America" on the first line...is that your idea of slamming? How much more clear can the purpose of the advertisement be? A child with a grade 4 education can understand exactly what that means. So please tell me what "scam" notices you are referring to? The Federal Trade Commission, Canadian Competition Bureau, and British ASA have all been sent copies of these solicitations for their review because of people like yourself who somehow conclude its a "scam", and all these agencies have confirmed that they meet their standards. Between the wording of all the advertisements sent by Domain Registry of America and ICANN's authorization code system, even if someone were to make a mistake and inadvertently attempt to transfer their name, ICANN's system ensures it cannot happen. If you are that concerned; register a name with any Registrar and then try to transfer it to another and you will see for yourself how difficult a procedure it is and you will be satisfied that "domain slamming" is impossible — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.34.87.177 ( talk) 02:22, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
You are correct, the "ASA" looked into the mailings after 3 people complained...must have been 3 people like you who are competitors to Domain Registry of America. I believe you live in the UK and you should know that the ASA is NOT a regulatory body, rather an "independant watchdog" just like the BBB (Better Business Bureau) in North America. Are you aware that companies that pay the BBB get and "A" rating and those that do not get an "F" rating, therefore we rely on actual regulatory bodies to do their jobs and regulate. Since you must know, the company spoke and resolved the ASA's concerns, but of course you would need proof of that, so I suggest you contact them to satisfy your concerns as you clearly have plenty of time on your hands to deal with nonsense like this.
The company has sent out over 10 million solicitations in the UK over the past 8 years and a whopping 3 people complained, 2 of which said the toll free number didnt work...and for that reason you have concluded its a "scam". It is crystal clear that your motive for doing this is something other than making a partial "POV" on wikipedia and your actions must be stopped. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.34.87.177 ( talk) 01:40, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
I think the recent name change by Hm2k is probably a step in the right direction, as the scope of the article went beyond just domain slamming. However, I think we may be in danger of blurring too many concepts in one article - "Domain name registration scams", "Domain name renewal scams" and "Domain slamming" (which seems to be a subset of "Domain name renewal scams"). I'm not really sure why the two scams should be lumped together in one article, and, other than in the lede, we do not discuss the concept of domain name registration scams.
So, I propose to rename the article to Domain name renewal scams, which I think properly encompasses all the current content without the distraction of an essentially unrelated scam. Any objections?-- Kubigula ( talk) 04:01, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
I point out that living persons can not be accused on Wikipedia of criminal or even unethical behavior with multiple fully reliable sources. Please,everyone, be sure this is true in every case. This applies to talk pages also. I have accordingly removed a part of section one of this talk page. DGG ( talk ) 20:42, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
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Alan Benlolo, Elliot Benlolo, Simon Benlolo, Victor Serfaty, Yellow Business Pages.com and Yellow Business Directory.com
Date: 2004-03-23 and 2004-10-01 Event: Convictions and Sentences Court: Ontario Court of Justice Court File Number: F871/02 Accused – individuals: Alan Benlolo, Elliot Benlolo and Simon Benlolo of Thornhill, Ontario and Victor Serfaty of Toronto, Ontario. Provision(s): 52 (1) of the Competition Act – False or misleading representations Product: Internet business directory
Summary: On April 23, 2004 a jury found Alan and Elliot Benlolo guilty on 10 counts under the false or misleading representations provisions of the Competition Act (Section 52). Also convicted were Victor Serfaty on eight counts and Simon Benlolo on two counts for their involvement in a Yellow Pages scam.
The individuals sent out mail pieces that falsely appeared to be bills or invoices from Bell Canada or Yellow Pages, when in fact they were solicitations to have the recipients' business details appear in Internet-based directories operating under the names Yellow Business Pages.com and Yellow Business Directory.com. Between May and December 2000, they sent the mail pieces to approximately 900,000 businesses and non-profit organizations in Canada and generated sales of over $1 million.
The Competition Bureau received more than 4,400 complaints about the phoney invoices which asked recipients to send either $25.52 or $37.40 to a postal box in Toronto.
On October 1, 2004, Madam Justice Molloy of the Ontario Superior Court sentenced Alan and Elliot Benlolo to three years in federal penitentiary and a $400,000 fine each for their involvement in the scam. Victor Serfaty received a 18-month conditional jail sentence (including six months house arrest), 100 hours of community service and a $15,000 fine. Simon Benlolo received a nine-month conditional jail sentence (including three months house arrest) and a $100,000 fine. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.251.6.130 ( talk) 08:00, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
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Here are four reliable sources ( ICANN and court documents) that go into the connection between Brandon Gray and some of its resellers and entities: NameJuice.com, [1] Internet Registry of Canada (IROC), [2] [3] Domain Registry of America (DROA), [3] [4] [2] Domain Registry of Canada (DROC), [3] [4] [2] Registration Services Inc. (RSI), [4] Domain Registry Services (DRS), [4] Domain Renewal Group (DRG), [4] Yellow Business [2]
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The same scammers appears to be run under various names:
Various domains:
If you are aware of any additional ones, please add them. -- Hm2k ( talk) 11:07, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
Article semi-protected. -- Dweller ( talk) 15:42, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
After reading this article on Domain Registry of America and others, I find it to be written with extreme negative bias. I know the company has been in business for over 11 years and manages hundreds of thousands of domains worldwide. I am certain that there must be some positive information that can be written about this company as I am yet to see 1 actual complaint about their products or services anywhere on the web.
For example I just read the article on Bell Canada. In case you are not aware, they just pled guilty to misleading advertising which is a criminal offence and paid a record fine of $100 million as a penalty. This is not the first time Bell Canada has been found guilty of fraudulent acts, yet when you read their wiki, there is no mention of it or any other bad actions that the company has taken. I also looked at Microsoft, which I am sure you are aware paid Euros$650 million is fines along with others, but once again no mention on the wiki article.
While Domain Registry of America is not the size of Microsoft or Bell Canada, it is a very large company with hundreds of thousands of customers worldwide and it along with others has had its differences with the regulartory bodies, but like other companies it has resolved them.
It is unfair that entire Domain Registry of America page forwards to a heading of "domain slamming". A wikipedia article should be informative, and provide all the available information regarding a company, not just the negative.
In case you are not aware there was a process introduced by ICANN in 2004 which requires authorization codes in order for a domain to be transferred between Registrars so "domain slamming" is a process that can no longer be carried out by anyone. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.13.106.226 ( talk) 18:12, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
There actually is an entire wikipedia page on transfer codes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transfer_secret
Other domain name companies like Enom, do not have anything notable yet they have a wiki ariticle that is not written with bias. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.34.87.177 ( talk) 02:17, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
Looking through this article, it seems to me that there are a couple of issues here. First, I have to agree that there are NPOV concerns. For example, Liberty Names of America redirects here, but our source actually says that they are not guilty of domain slamming (though the source does say they are engaging in sleazy marketing). So, both the redirect and the section here have NPOV problems and are potentially libellous. Second, the one sentence section on "New Zealand Domain Registration Ltd" is copied verbatim from the source.
I haven't looked hard at the rest of the article, but it seems a major overhaul is needed here.-- Kubigula ( talk) 03:53, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
"Domain Slamming" is a slang term for "unauthorized transfers" and therefore you will never see an "official" article from any governing body saying they have stopped "domain slamming". Please see the enclosed ICANN page about stopping unauthorized tranfers: http://www.icann.org/en/transfers/epp-status-codes-30jun11-en.pdf I can tell you that these "EPP Codes" came into effect in 2004 and there can and has never been an instance of "domain slamming" or an "unauthorized transfer" since. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.34.87.177 ( talk) 12:46, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
For someone who knows how to write, it appears you are having difficulty reading or never took the time to read any advertisements by Domain Registry of America. A simple read of any solictations sent by Domain Registry clearly state "now is the time to transfer your domain name from your current Registrar to Domain Registry of America" on the first line...is that your idea of slamming? How much more clear can the purpose of the advertisement be? A child with a grade 4 education can understand exactly what that means. So please tell me what "scam" notices you are referring to? The Federal Trade Commission, Canadian Competition Bureau, and British ASA have all been sent copies of these solicitations for their review because of people like yourself who somehow conclude its a "scam", and all these agencies have confirmed that they meet their standards. Between the wording of all the advertisements sent by Domain Registry of America and ICANN's authorization code system, even if someone were to make a mistake and inadvertently attempt to transfer their name, ICANN's system ensures it cannot happen. If you are that concerned; register a name with any Registrar and then try to transfer it to another and you will see for yourself how difficult a procedure it is and you will be satisfied that "domain slamming" is impossible — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.34.87.177 ( talk) 02:22, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
You are correct, the "ASA" looked into the mailings after 3 people complained...must have been 3 people like you who are competitors to Domain Registry of America. I believe you live in the UK and you should know that the ASA is NOT a regulatory body, rather an "independant watchdog" just like the BBB (Better Business Bureau) in North America. Are you aware that companies that pay the BBB get and "A" rating and those that do not get an "F" rating, therefore we rely on actual regulatory bodies to do their jobs and regulate. Since you must know, the company spoke and resolved the ASA's concerns, but of course you would need proof of that, so I suggest you contact them to satisfy your concerns as you clearly have plenty of time on your hands to deal with nonsense like this.
The company has sent out over 10 million solicitations in the UK over the past 8 years and a whopping 3 people complained, 2 of which said the toll free number didnt work...and for that reason you have concluded its a "scam". It is crystal clear that your motive for doing this is something other than making a partial "POV" on wikipedia and your actions must be stopped. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.34.87.177 ( talk) 01:40, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
I think the recent name change by Hm2k is probably a step in the right direction, as the scope of the article went beyond just domain slamming. However, I think we may be in danger of blurring too many concepts in one article - "Domain name registration scams", "Domain name renewal scams" and "Domain slamming" (which seems to be a subset of "Domain name renewal scams"). I'm not really sure why the two scams should be lumped together in one article, and, other than in the lede, we do not discuss the concept of domain name registration scams.
So, I propose to rename the article to Domain name renewal scams, which I think properly encompasses all the current content without the distraction of an essentially unrelated scam. Any objections?-- Kubigula ( talk) 04:01, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
I point out that living persons can not be accused on Wikipedia of criminal or even unethical behavior with multiple fully reliable sources. Please,everyone, be sure this is true in every case. This applies to talk pages also. I have accordingly removed a part of section one of this talk page. DGG ( talk ) 20:42, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
Domain Scams edit:
http://www.competitionbureau.gc.ca/eic/site/cb-bc.nsf/eng/03052.html#tab6
Alan Benlolo, Elliot Benlolo, Simon Benlolo, Victor Serfaty, Yellow Business Pages.com and Yellow Business Directory.com
Date: 2004-03-23 and 2004-10-01 Event: Convictions and Sentences Court: Ontario Court of Justice Court File Number: F871/02 Accused – individuals: Alan Benlolo, Elliot Benlolo and Simon Benlolo of Thornhill, Ontario and Victor Serfaty of Toronto, Ontario. Provision(s): 52 (1) of the Competition Act – False or misleading representations Product: Internet business directory
Summary: On April 23, 2004 a jury found Alan and Elliot Benlolo guilty on 10 counts under the false or misleading representations provisions of the Competition Act (Section 52). Also convicted were Victor Serfaty on eight counts and Simon Benlolo on two counts for their involvement in a Yellow Pages scam.
The individuals sent out mail pieces that falsely appeared to be bills or invoices from Bell Canada or Yellow Pages, when in fact they were solicitations to have the recipients' business details appear in Internet-based directories operating under the names Yellow Business Pages.com and Yellow Business Directory.com. Between May and December 2000, they sent the mail pieces to approximately 900,000 businesses and non-profit organizations in Canada and generated sales of over $1 million.
The Competition Bureau received more than 4,400 complaints about the phoney invoices which asked recipients to send either $25.52 or $37.40 to a postal box in Toronto.
On October 1, 2004, Madam Justice Molloy of the Ontario Superior Court sentenced Alan and Elliot Benlolo to three years in federal penitentiary and a $400,000 fine each for their involvement in the scam. Victor Serfaty received a 18-month conditional jail sentence (including six months house arrest), 100 hours of community service and a $15,000 fine. Simon Benlolo received a nine-month conditional jail sentence (including three months house arrest) and a $100,000 fine. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.251.6.130 ( talk) 08:00, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
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