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Under Cultural significance I added the below about a multiple award winning short story about the dodo. But it was reverted as "This is not a notable appearance."
Opinions, please? Worthy? Should I have added "In Popular Culture", and add it there?
I understand Howard Waldrop may not be in the same league as with Hilaire Belloc and Lewis Carroll, but their works are mentioned under Cultural significance.
"The Ugly Chickens" by Howard Waldrop starts with a casual conversation. A woman comments upon seeing a picture of a dodo how a neighbor kept this bird on his Mississippi farm when she was a little girl in the late 1920s. "The Ugly Chickens" won the Nebula Award for best novelette in 1980, and the World Fantasy Award for Short Fiction in 1981, and was printed in the annual years best of for both awards.
Truth, it's only a short story about what did become of the dodo in America. There are many references, but how many short stories solely about the dodo? And I admit, no long lasting effect. Actually I went to to wiki to look for the author. And at the end of the fascinating entry, not finding the author ( Howard Waldrop who has his own wiki) I thought to add for anyone curious. I thank you both for commenting, and has knowing about this award winning short story made either of your curious to read it? ~~ KenJacowitz ( talk) 01:27, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
"The Ugly Chicken" is an EXTREMELY FAMOUS story, having won the Nebula and World Fantasy Awards, and been included in the annual Year's Best as previously stated. People who read and love SF and fantasy (which includes Alice-lovers!) are well-acquainted with it. To say that it's "not a notable appearance" is false. 2604:2000:F64D:FC00:59B8:559:F394:6F8B ( talk) 23:45, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
I have asked Jonesey95 (see talk page discussion for details [1]) to change the citation style back to what I used originally when writing this, since it is now a hodgepodge of two styles. The problem is that the style had been changed by another editor (who did not write text or ask about changing the style first) by the time the article passed FAC, so it would be best to gain a consensus first before changing it back. The style I propose is that used in Broad-billed parrot and most of the other articles I've nominated for FAC, which is now used for the citations under "Footnotes" in the dodo article. Pinging the original FAC commentators, if they are still here: Lucky102, Kingroyos, Crisco 1492, Nikkimaria, Amandajm, Jimfbleak, Casliber, Stfg, GrahamColm. FunkMonk ( talk) 16:38, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
1. the Portuguese referred to them as "fotilicaios" at the time. Is “them” penguins or dodos?
2. The article says (implies) no ships from 1513 to 1598. Why not? The writer in 1634 claimed a Portuguese name from 1507; that’s a big gap til the (first) reference in 1598.
3. The article doesn’t pin down the evolution; are there ancestor fossils (earlier species) on Mauritius? Diverged from the pigeon c1 million years ago? Became flightless… when?
4. Diet. Any worms? What did that beak evolve for?
MBG02 ( talk) 22:45, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
Should I point out that there has been recent sighting of the so called 'extinct' Dodo bird? I remember watching a video of a baby Dodo bird in 2017 or 2016. Does anyone else think the Dodo is NOT extinct??? A lot of animals were thought extinct, but were not. FlatEarth7 ( talk) 22:59, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
No, I do not have the link. I will look for evidence though. FlatEarth7 ( talk) 23:11, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
The first mention of Dodo was not by Dutch sailors, but in fact by Portuguese sailors. The first vessel found land after weeks lost at sea without food and fresh water. They send the crew to find provisions, and what they found was a big bird that unlike any other, wasn't afraid of humans. The Portuguese sailors were so amazed by the behaviour of the animal that started to call them, Doidos. Crazy birds. They weren't afraid of humans, and so they kill some of them to take aboard, but the taste of the meat was so terrible that no one could eat them, so they had to find another food source. After that first encounter the boat returned to Portugal, and soon other expedition was sent to the new found land, to explore and report back. In that time the Dutch, didn't set sail to discover new territories, They just follow the vessels, either Portuguese, Spanish or English, to steal the route and take what ever they could find. And thats how the Dutch found the island and killed every Doido. They couldn't pronounce the name correctly in Portuguese so they called it dodo. You have to imagine, that in that time, an island in the middle of nothing, was like an outpost. A source of food, fresh water and maintenance before continuing the journey searching for new worlds. Unfortunately but true, some countries, like the Netherlands, stoled every chart, every route to a new land. They always sail behind other vessels, to take advantage of other countries discovery. If someone wants to give credit to the Netherlands for being the first to discover Doidos Bird, at least tell the story right. They stole the coordinates, went to the island and kill every Doido. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.132.215.59 ( talk) 23:34, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
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"manoeuvrable" appears to be misspelled. Suggested correction: "maneuverable" 47.215.136.209 ( talk) 15:37, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
What a fine labor of love! SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 01:45, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
I think I figured out from what I found and fixed at Woolly mammoth that the issue here is that these sources are no longer used in the article, so moving them here to talk:
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I'm new to this. For a pop culture part: The Dodo has made quite an appearance on the internet, often being made fun of for its odd appearance. Many movies and video games such as Ark: Survival Evolved(2015) have featured Dodo birds, promoting the symbol in pop culture. 216.21.162.16 ( talk) 19:12, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
The illustration which is credited to "Walter Paget", the Australian politician, should be credited to "Walter Paget (illustrator)". 67.231.66.125 ( talk) 02:30, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
The link to /info/en/?search=Pneumatics would be more useful if it pointed to /info/en/?search=Skeletal_pneumaticity, seeing as the paragraph refers to skeletal pneumaticity and not industrial pneumatics. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.103.143.236 ( talk) 20:38, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
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Change “he did not mention if it were” to “he did not mention if it was” in the section “dodos transported abroad”. It should not be subjunctive as it is neither a conditional nor a result clause. 194.75.12.108 ( talk) 10:30, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
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12:16, 3 February 2023 (UTC)Hello fellow Wikipedians, This article uses shortened footnotes multiple times but with a rationale that is difficult to understand. Anyone who can describe the rationale for which citations are included in the Sources section, please comment below. This information would be helpful because Wikipedia's Citing sources guidelines recommend that articles have a single citation style applied consistently, but editors cannot re-establish consistency if the style is unknown. When it is clear what the intended style for footnotes is, a notice on the talk page stating the intended style will assist editors seeking to maintain high standards for Wikipedia's citations. For examples of such style notices, see {{ Note short footnote style 1 in use}} or {{ Note short footnote style 2 in use}}. |
Are items placed in sources if they are notable or is there some other intended purpose for not leaving them unsorted in the references section? Any responses would be appreciated. J JMesserly ( talk) 09:06, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
You know how Colossal Biosciences is planning to de-extinct the dodo? Well, can someone edit the article to mention this? FreezingTNT2 ( talk) 00:12, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
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“Its extinction was not immediately noticed, and some considered it to be a myth.” This line is ambiguous. What was considered a myth? The dodo or the fact it went extinct? Ghughes23 ( talk) 18:44, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
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I want to add to the Extinction section of the dodo bird. I would like to add,
Just to clarify, the dodo bird’s extinction wasn’t solely a result of human actions or competition for resources among other animals. Instead their disappearance is attributed to, “human breed, carelessness, and the contingencies of history.” <ref><ref> Bergman, J. (2005). The History of the Dodo Bird and the Cause of Its Extinction. Retrieved from https://www.christianscientific.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/PSCF9-05Bergman.pdf Lenaleens ( talk) 02:33, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
I found this discussion under a dodo skeletal on Deviantart:
https://www.deviantart.com/comments/1/880014648/4921009032
Is it really true that the 1 meter tall scaling is based on the length of the fully stretched bird at 97 cm (skull to tail) in "An Ecomorphological Review of the Dodo (Raphus cucullatus) and Solitaire (Pezophaps solitaria), Flightless Columbiformes of the Mascarene Islands"? Otodusm ( talk) 12:28, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
@ FunkMonk: Does the scaling on this look about right? Hemiauchenia ( talk) 19:38, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
This user wishes the Dodo wasn't extinct. |
I have created an Dodo template for user page. Everyone can use it.
See page.
Vartolu3566 (
talk)
01:00, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
They Look Like They Should Not Be Extinct 2600:8807:1D03:A500:D19C:FD30:9663:77A1 ( talk) 21:39, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
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Under Cultural significance I added the below about a multiple award winning short story about the dodo. But it was reverted as "This is not a notable appearance."
Opinions, please? Worthy? Should I have added "In Popular Culture", and add it there?
I understand Howard Waldrop may not be in the same league as with Hilaire Belloc and Lewis Carroll, but their works are mentioned under Cultural significance.
"The Ugly Chickens" by Howard Waldrop starts with a casual conversation. A woman comments upon seeing a picture of a dodo how a neighbor kept this bird on his Mississippi farm when she was a little girl in the late 1920s. "The Ugly Chickens" won the Nebula Award for best novelette in 1980, and the World Fantasy Award for Short Fiction in 1981, and was printed in the annual years best of for both awards.
Truth, it's only a short story about what did become of the dodo in America. There are many references, but how many short stories solely about the dodo? And I admit, no long lasting effect. Actually I went to to wiki to look for the author. And at the end of the fascinating entry, not finding the author ( Howard Waldrop who has his own wiki) I thought to add for anyone curious. I thank you both for commenting, and has knowing about this award winning short story made either of your curious to read it? ~~ KenJacowitz ( talk) 01:27, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
"The Ugly Chicken" is an EXTREMELY FAMOUS story, having won the Nebula and World Fantasy Awards, and been included in the annual Year's Best as previously stated. People who read and love SF and fantasy (which includes Alice-lovers!) are well-acquainted with it. To say that it's "not a notable appearance" is false. 2604:2000:F64D:FC00:59B8:559:F394:6F8B ( talk) 23:45, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
I have asked Jonesey95 (see talk page discussion for details [1]) to change the citation style back to what I used originally when writing this, since it is now a hodgepodge of two styles. The problem is that the style had been changed by another editor (who did not write text or ask about changing the style first) by the time the article passed FAC, so it would be best to gain a consensus first before changing it back. The style I propose is that used in Broad-billed parrot and most of the other articles I've nominated for FAC, which is now used for the citations under "Footnotes" in the dodo article. Pinging the original FAC commentators, if they are still here: Lucky102, Kingroyos, Crisco 1492, Nikkimaria, Amandajm, Jimfbleak, Casliber, Stfg, GrahamColm. FunkMonk ( talk) 16:38, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
1. the Portuguese referred to them as "fotilicaios" at the time. Is “them” penguins or dodos?
2. The article says (implies) no ships from 1513 to 1598. Why not? The writer in 1634 claimed a Portuguese name from 1507; that’s a big gap til the (first) reference in 1598.
3. The article doesn’t pin down the evolution; are there ancestor fossils (earlier species) on Mauritius? Diverged from the pigeon c1 million years ago? Became flightless… when?
4. Diet. Any worms? What did that beak evolve for?
MBG02 ( talk) 22:45, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
Should I point out that there has been recent sighting of the so called 'extinct' Dodo bird? I remember watching a video of a baby Dodo bird in 2017 or 2016. Does anyone else think the Dodo is NOT extinct??? A lot of animals were thought extinct, but were not. FlatEarth7 ( talk) 22:59, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
No, I do not have the link. I will look for evidence though. FlatEarth7 ( talk) 23:11, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
The first mention of Dodo was not by Dutch sailors, but in fact by Portuguese sailors. The first vessel found land after weeks lost at sea without food and fresh water. They send the crew to find provisions, and what they found was a big bird that unlike any other, wasn't afraid of humans. The Portuguese sailors were so amazed by the behaviour of the animal that started to call them, Doidos. Crazy birds. They weren't afraid of humans, and so they kill some of them to take aboard, but the taste of the meat was so terrible that no one could eat them, so they had to find another food source. After that first encounter the boat returned to Portugal, and soon other expedition was sent to the new found land, to explore and report back. In that time the Dutch, didn't set sail to discover new territories, They just follow the vessels, either Portuguese, Spanish or English, to steal the route and take what ever they could find. And thats how the Dutch found the island and killed every Doido. They couldn't pronounce the name correctly in Portuguese so they called it dodo. You have to imagine, that in that time, an island in the middle of nothing, was like an outpost. A source of food, fresh water and maintenance before continuing the journey searching for new worlds. Unfortunately but true, some countries, like the Netherlands, stoled every chart, every route to a new land. They always sail behind other vessels, to take advantage of other countries discovery. If someone wants to give credit to the Netherlands for being the first to discover Doidos Bird, at least tell the story right. They stole the coordinates, went to the island and kill every Doido. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.132.215.59 ( talk) 23:34, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
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"manoeuvrable" appears to be misspelled. Suggested correction: "maneuverable" 47.215.136.209 ( talk) 15:37, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
What a fine labor of love! SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 01:45, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
I think I figured out from what I found and fixed at Woolly mammoth that the issue here is that these sources are no longer used in the article, so moving them here to talk:
SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 19:42, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
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I'm new to this. For a pop culture part: The Dodo has made quite an appearance on the internet, often being made fun of for its odd appearance. Many movies and video games such as Ark: Survival Evolved(2015) have featured Dodo birds, promoting the symbol in pop culture. 216.21.162.16 ( talk) 19:12, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
The illustration which is credited to "Walter Paget", the Australian politician, should be credited to "Walter Paget (illustrator)". 67.231.66.125 ( talk) 02:30, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
The link to /info/en/?search=Pneumatics would be more useful if it pointed to /info/en/?search=Skeletal_pneumaticity, seeing as the paragraph refers to skeletal pneumaticity and not industrial pneumatics. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.103.143.236 ( talk) 20:38, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
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Change “he did not mention if it were” to “he did not mention if it was” in the section “dodos transported abroad”. It should not be subjunctive as it is neither a conditional nor a result clause. 194.75.12.108 ( talk) 10:30, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
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c
12:16, 3 February 2023 (UTC)Hello fellow Wikipedians, This article uses shortened footnotes multiple times but with a rationale that is difficult to understand. Anyone who can describe the rationale for which citations are included in the Sources section, please comment below. This information would be helpful because Wikipedia's Citing sources guidelines recommend that articles have a single citation style applied consistently, but editors cannot re-establish consistency if the style is unknown. When it is clear what the intended style for footnotes is, a notice on the talk page stating the intended style will assist editors seeking to maintain high standards for Wikipedia's citations. For examples of such style notices, see {{ Note short footnote style 1 in use}} or {{ Note short footnote style 2 in use}}. |
Are items placed in sources if they are notable or is there some other intended purpose for not leaving them unsorted in the references section? Any responses would be appreciated. J JMesserly ( talk) 09:06, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
You know how Colossal Biosciences is planning to de-extinct the dodo? Well, can someone edit the article to mention this? FreezingTNT2 ( talk) 00:12, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
As discussed, the article has been edited to bring short footnote usage back into conformance with the style established prior to achieving Featured status.
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“Its extinction was not immediately noticed, and some considered it to be a myth.” This line is ambiguous. What was considered a myth? The dodo or the fact it went extinct? Ghughes23 ( talk) 18:44, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
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I want to add to the Extinction section of the dodo bird. I would like to add,
Just to clarify, the dodo bird’s extinction wasn’t solely a result of human actions or competition for resources among other animals. Instead their disappearance is attributed to, “human breed, carelessness, and the contingencies of history.” <ref><ref> Bergman, J. (2005). The History of the Dodo Bird and the Cause of Its Extinction. Retrieved from https://www.christianscientific.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/PSCF9-05Bergman.pdf Lenaleens ( talk) 02:33, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
I found this discussion under a dodo skeletal on Deviantart:
https://www.deviantart.com/comments/1/880014648/4921009032
Is it really true that the 1 meter tall scaling is based on the length of the fully stretched bird at 97 cm (skull to tail) in "An Ecomorphological Review of the Dodo (Raphus cucullatus) and Solitaire (Pezophaps solitaria), Flightless Columbiformes of the Mascarene Islands"? Otodusm ( talk) 12:28, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
@ FunkMonk: Does the scaling on this look about right? Hemiauchenia ( talk) 19:38, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
This user wishes the Dodo wasn't extinct. |
I have created an Dodo template for user page. Everyone can use it.
See page.
Vartolu3566 (
talk)
01:00, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
They Look Like They Should Not Be Extinct 2600:8807:1D03:A500:D19C:FD30:9663:77A1 ( talk) 21:39, 31 July 2024 (UTC)