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Are DPT's able to prescribe medication? I have heard that DPT's are able to prescribe if they are military and also that some states, but not all, allow certain meds but not all to be prescribed by DPT's and in other states DPT's are unable to prescribe any medication, not even reccomend over-the-counter meds. Thanks.
DPT's have no different rights that any other practicing PT. In the military PT's are allowed to prescribe certain medications and order diagnostic imaging...much in the same rights of a Physician Assistant or Nurse Practitioner. Military allows PTs to be considered Physician Extenders. This does not translate to the civilian world. In most states there are laws allowing PT's to have direct access to patients; most of these however are limited by commercial insurance and Medicare. The allowance of prescribing OTC medication is debatable and is dependent on that particular state practice act.
StonerDPT 01:23, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
The June 22 2007 issue of the Chronicle of Higher Education has a great article on the rise of professional doctorates from professional M.S. degrees in the U.S. (focusing on physical and occupational therapy), and concerns related to them. JJL 18:00, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
Although the APTA states their "Visions" or should we say "marketing campaign", that the DPT is superior to the MSPT or even the BSPT. The fact remains that those who have previously completed an accredited physical therapy training program either the BSPT or MSTP hold the exact same license and have the exact same scope of practice as any DPT grad. It may be their "vision" that converting the degree to something with the word "doctor" in it will grant physical therapists more power and autonomy. However, nothing has changed yet; and if any changes do occur, than any new rights and privileges will also be granted to anyone else holding a state license to practice physical therapy (i.e. BSPT and MSTP grads). Jwri7474 ( talk) 23:39, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
It should be noted that both the license to practice and scope of practice between a BSPT, a MSPT, and a DPT physical therapist is exactly the same. Jwri7474 ( talk) 04:40, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
That is fine. I will refrain from any further editing without a source. That is fair. However, I will edit this document soon to include the information that I obtain from my source along with a link to my source. Thank you. Jwri7474 ( talk) 05:59, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
You only said provide your source. I did that. I stated before that I would restore the information once I had a verifiable source for my claim. You didn't mention this was a problem then. Also, an email directly from someone in charge from a US state board of Physical Therapy who regulates the profession is a first hand source. If the info is not worded clearly enough on their website, then I needed to clarify it via email. I don't understand why this source is unacceptable. It is a much better source than a quote from some 3rd party website. Also, I first placed the information on the article. The other editor deleted the word "equally". Thus wouldn't they be making a charge against me and not the other way around. Obviously he/she disagrees and feels they are not equally qualified to practice physical therapy.
Maybe I'm confused.. Diff? Apparently I'm not sure what you mean by this. I tried to clarify this in my earlier post and I was under the impression that you confirmed that by "diff" you meant a "verifiable source". I provided you with a statement from the Kentucky Board of PT... If this is not what you're after.. then can you please explain further what you mean by "diff". Sorry for the confusion. Thanks Jwri7474 ( talk) 14:30, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for that. :) I apologies for the confusion. Jwri7474 ( talk) 06:00, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
Recent edits seem to be adding large amounts of text from APTA web pages and also removing opinions from outside the profession. This leads to a dull and unbalanced article. The claim that physical therapists have as much as 14 years of training surely needs to be sourced. The use of 'doctor' here is certainly contentious and that should be addressed--casually describing DPTs as 'doctors' is POV. JJL ( talk) 04:25, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
The Information you have presented is false and misleading. A bachelors degree was required prior to the start of my DPT program (4 years) and then the programs are at minimum 3 calendar years and at most 4 calendar years. Somehow you have derived a total of 6-7 calendar years of duration for this. Your math is wrong and the duration should be 7-8 calendar years with a minimum of 8 academic years. Post graduate residency and or fellowship is very much being in school. I had weekly tests that were both oral and written. I had regular labs that I had to participate in. I had presentations that I had to give on current evidence, and daily work to complete which would not be required if I was not in a residency. It is one of the hardest times that you will ever work. Again the contributions made are false and in an attempt to cast a negative light on the degree. You should leave the editing of this article to people who have it and have taught in these settings. I have done both. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.131.195.64 ( talk) 04:50, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
My information has been cited by reliable sources and it was removed anyway. I originally wrote the article and it was changed and deleted. The quote from the NY times article is also misquoted. The quote states "Six to eight years of collegiate and graduate education generally earn pharmacists, physical therapists and nurses the right to call themselves doctors". The quote was addressing multiple professions and not just the profession of physical therapy. For a more accurate description of physical therapy education you can see the references that I have provided which give exact statistics on the specific profession. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Equanimous1 ( talk • contribs) 07:06, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
My content continues to be unfairly censored despite the fact that I have numerous sources from the peer reviewed medical literature. It has been deleted numerous times without legitimate cause. There is obviously an agenda here to spin the DPT in a negative light. I think that editors from the APTA should be given this article and allowed to edit it. I am amazed at the anti-physical therapy bigotry here and I would like for it to be cleaned up and fairly represented. ( Equanimous1 ( talk) 17:30, 17 February 2012 (UTC))
I have added 8 peer reviewed sources to this article which is 8 more than it had to begin with. The fact sheet was published in a peer reviewed journal although I cited the fact sheet itself rather than the journal it was published in. ( Equanimous1 ( talk) 17:42, 17 February 2012 (UTC))
This section contributes to the haphazard and inconsistent style of Wikipedia articles on doctoral degrees. There is no corresponding sections in other areas of study and practice. In Wikipedia articles ranging from Doctor of Pharmacy to Doctor of Fine Arts there is no section on Use of Title Doctor.
This section currently discusses the merits of the degree compared to other professions and degree requirements. (1) The merits of the degree in relation to the topic of "credential creep" and degree requirements has nothing to do with whether or not the holder of the degree should be called doctor or use the title of doctor. (2) Wikipedia articles are to avoid biased disceptation. Partisanship on credential creep and degree standards relative to other professions is matter of controversy and the professional contentions should be argued in appropriate forums instead of using Wikipedia to advance one bias or another. That the unresolved prejudices on the issue have citations does not make them factual encyclopedic information.
For these reasons I have removed the following text until a consensus on an unbiased approach consistent with articles on other doctorates e,g. pharmacy can be agreed upon:
The DPT degree has been described as an example of "credential creep" or degree inflation in The Chronicle of Higher Education. Citing concerns that the DPT, and similar professional doctorates in areas such as occupational therapy, do not meet the standards of traditional doctorate degrees, the journal states: "The six-and-a-half-year doctor of physical therapy, or DPT, is rapidly replacing a six-year master's degree ... The American Physical Therapy Association ... has not set separate requirements for doctoral programs. To be accredited they need only meet the same requirements as master's programs."[24]
Critics question whether the rigor of the physical therapy curriculum and the current scope of practice warrant the conferral of a professional degree similar to that characteristic of medicine, dentistry, or veterinary medicine.[25] Proponents counter that the existing curricula are "victims of 'curricular inflation'."[26] As Rothstein[27] and Moffat[28] noted, the previous master's and even baccalaureate curricula rival that of most other doctoral programs, and these curricula often require more than the typical 72 credits mandated for a doctoral degree.[29] The 2000 Fact Sheet from APTA reported that the mean number of credits required for the professional phase of the typical baccalaureate program was 83.0 credits and that the typical master's degree program required 95.5 credits.[30] As of 2009 the typical number of prerequisite credits was 114.2 and the total number of professional credits was 116.5 for a total of 230.7 credit hours.[31] This is well in excess of the typical 72 professional credits mandated for a doctoral degree. Additional credit hours may be earned in residency and fellowship as well. Threlkeld et al[32] suggest that the scope of existing physical therapy curricula already matches that of a professional doctorate, further submitting that students of a well-defined DPT program will have earned the right to be recognized with the doctoral title.[33 Tomandzeke ( talk) 23:18, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
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Are DPT's able to prescribe medication? I have heard that DPT's are able to prescribe if they are military and also that some states, but not all, allow certain meds but not all to be prescribed by DPT's and in other states DPT's are unable to prescribe any medication, not even reccomend over-the-counter meds. Thanks.
DPT's have no different rights that any other practicing PT. In the military PT's are allowed to prescribe certain medications and order diagnostic imaging...much in the same rights of a Physician Assistant or Nurse Practitioner. Military allows PTs to be considered Physician Extenders. This does not translate to the civilian world. In most states there are laws allowing PT's to have direct access to patients; most of these however are limited by commercial insurance and Medicare. The allowance of prescribing OTC medication is debatable and is dependent on that particular state practice act.
StonerDPT 01:23, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
The June 22 2007 issue of the Chronicle of Higher Education has a great article on the rise of professional doctorates from professional M.S. degrees in the U.S. (focusing on physical and occupational therapy), and concerns related to them. JJL 18:00, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
Although the APTA states their "Visions" or should we say "marketing campaign", that the DPT is superior to the MSPT or even the BSPT. The fact remains that those who have previously completed an accredited physical therapy training program either the BSPT or MSTP hold the exact same license and have the exact same scope of practice as any DPT grad. It may be their "vision" that converting the degree to something with the word "doctor" in it will grant physical therapists more power and autonomy. However, nothing has changed yet; and if any changes do occur, than any new rights and privileges will also be granted to anyone else holding a state license to practice physical therapy (i.e. BSPT and MSTP grads). Jwri7474 ( talk) 23:39, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
It should be noted that both the license to practice and scope of practice between a BSPT, a MSPT, and a DPT physical therapist is exactly the same. Jwri7474 ( talk) 04:40, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
That is fine. I will refrain from any further editing without a source. That is fair. However, I will edit this document soon to include the information that I obtain from my source along with a link to my source. Thank you. Jwri7474 ( talk) 05:59, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
You only said provide your source. I did that. I stated before that I would restore the information once I had a verifiable source for my claim. You didn't mention this was a problem then. Also, an email directly from someone in charge from a US state board of Physical Therapy who regulates the profession is a first hand source. If the info is not worded clearly enough on their website, then I needed to clarify it via email. I don't understand why this source is unacceptable. It is a much better source than a quote from some 3rd party website. Also, I first placed the information on the article. The other editor deleted the word "equally". Thus wouldn't they be making a charge against me and not the other way around. Obviously he/she disagrees and feels they are not equally qualified to practice physical therapy.
Maybe I'm confused.. Diff? Apparently I'm not sure what you mean by this. I tried to clarify this in my earlier post and I was under the impression that you confirmed that by "diff" you meant a "verifiable source". I provided you with a statement from the Kentucky Board of PT... If this is not what you're after.. then can you please explain further what you mean by "diff". Sorry for the confusion. Thanks Jwri7474 ( talk) 14:30, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for that. :) I apologies for the confusion. Jwri7474 ( talk) 06:00, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
Recent edits seem to be adding large amounts of text from APTA web pages and also removing opinions from outside the profession. This leads to a dull and unbalanced article. The claim that physical therapists have as much as 14 years of training surely needs to be sourced. The use of 'doctor' here is certainly contentious and that should be addressed--casually describing DPTs as 'doctors' is POV. JJL ( talk) 04:25, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
The Information you have presented is false and misleading. A bachelors degree was required prior to the start of my DPT program (4 years) and then the programs are at minimum 3 calendar years and at most 4 calendar years. Somehow you have derived a total of 6-7 calendar years of duration for this. Your math is wrong and the duration should be 7-8 calendar years with a minimum of 8 academic years. Post graduate residency and or fellowship is very much being in school. I had weekly tests that were both oral and written. I had regular labs that I had to participate in. I had presentations that I had to give on current evidence, and daily work to complete which would not be required if I was not in a residency. It is one of the hardest times that you will ever work. Again the contributions made are false and in an attempt to cast a negative light on the degree. You should leave the editing of this article to people who have it and have taught in these settings. I have done both. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.131.195.64 ( talk) 04:50, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
My information has been cited by reliable sources and it was removed anyway. I originally wrote the article and it was changed and deleted. The quote from the NY times article is also misquoted. The quote states "Six to eight years of collegiate and graduate education generally earn pharmacists, physical therapists and nurses the right to call themselves doctors". The quote was addressing multiple professions and not just the profession of physical therapy. For a more accurate description of physical therapy education you can see the references that I have provided which give exact statistics on the specific profession. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Equanimous1 ( talk • contribs) 07:06, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
My content continues to be unfairly censored despite the fact that I have numerous sources from the peer reviewed medical literature. It has been deleted numerous times without legitimate cause. There is obviously an agenda here to spin the DPT in a negative light. I think that editors from the APTA should be given this article and allowed to edit it. I am amazed at the anti-physical therapy bigotry here and I would like for it to be cleaned up and fairly represented. ( Equanimous1 ( talk) 17:30, 17 February 2012 (UTC))
I have added 8 peer reviewed sources to this article which is 8 more than it had to begin with. The fact sheet was published in a peer reviewed journal although I cited the fact sheet itself rather than the journal it was published in. ( Equanimous1 ( talk) 17:42, 17 February 2012 (UTC))
This section contributes to the haphazard and inconsistent style of Wikipedia articles on doctoral degrees. There is no corresponding sections in other areas of study and practice. In Wikipedia articles ranging from Doctor of Pharmacy to Doctor of Fine Arts there is no section on Use of Title Doctor.
This section currently discusses the merits of the degree compared to other professions and degree requirements. (1) The merits of the degree in relation to the topic of "credential creep" and degree requirements has nothing to do with whether or not the holder of the degree should be called doctor or use the title of doctor. (2) Wikipedia articles are to avoid biased disceptation. Partisanship on credential creep and degree standards relative to other professions is matter of controversy and the professional contentions should be argued in appropriate forums instead of using Wikipedia to advance one bias or another. That the unresolved prejudices on the issue have citations does not make them factual encyclopedic information.
For these reasons I have removed the following text until a consensus on an unbiased approach consistent with articles on other doctorates e,g. pharmacy can be agreed upon:
The DPT degree has been described as an example of "credential creep" or degree inflation in The Chronicle of Higher Education. Citing concerns that the DPT, and similar professional doctorates in areas such as occupational therapy, do not meet the standards of traditional doctorate degrees, the journal states: "The six-and-a-half-year doctor of physical therapy, or DPT, is rapidly replacing a six-year master's degree ... The American Physical Therapy Association ... has not set separate requirements for doctoral programs. To be accredited they need only meet the same requirements as master's programs."[24]
Critics question whether the rigor of the physical therapy curriculum and the current scope of practice warrant the conferral of a professional degree similar to that characteristic of medicine, dentistry, or veterinary medicine.[25] Proponents counter that the existing curricula are "victims of 'curricular inflation'."[26] As Rothstein[27] and Moffat[28] noted, the previous master's and even baccalaureate curricula rival that of most other doctoral programs, and these curricula often require more than the typical 72 credits mandated for a doctoral degree.[29] The 2000 Fact Sheet from APTA reported that the mean number of credits required for the professional phase of the typical baccalaureate program was 83.0 credits and that the typical master's degree program required 95.5 credits.[30] As of 2009 the typical number of prerequisite credits was 114.2 and the total number of professional credits was 116.5 for a total of 230.7 credit hours.[31] This is well in excess of the typical 72 professional credits mandated for a doctoral degree. Additional credit hours may be earned in residency and fellowship as well. Threlkeld et al[32] suggest that the scope of existing physical therapy curricula already matches that of a professional doctorate, further submitting that students of a well-defined DPT program will have earned the right to be recognized with the doctoral title.[33 Tomandzeke ( talk) 23:18, 12 July 2012 (UTC)