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Should this page be called "Doctor Who (2023 Specials)"? We can assume its not three specials on the day 23 November 2023, but rather spread out through the year with one most likely falling on the actual anniversary ( Aricmfergie ( talk) 03:52, 4 September 2022 (UTC))
A consistent naming scheme should be used for all season articles of a TV show: if one season is named something special, this should be noted through redirects and in the article's WP:LEAD, but the article should be named in the same fashion as the other season pages.This is also why The Key to Time and The Trial of a Time Lord are under Season # titles. -- Alex_21 TALK 12:25, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
Is this page even ready to be published yet? ( Aricmfergie ( talk) 03:53, 4 September 2022 (UTC))
This article seems to have been very rushed into. Nowhere has it been confirmed that the 60th anniversary will be 3 specials, even if there has been 3 directors announced. There is also varying accounts of Ncuti Gatwa being on set filming so this could tie into the start of Series 14.
Why has this article been published when there is no current idea of the 60th Anniversary's format? Panda815 ( talk) 14:18, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
According to Doctor Who Magazine there are four specials next year not three. MarvelMovieFan ( talk) 08:12, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
I sit here with ten scripts in front of me (four Specials and six episodes of the New Series, so far [...]). Given that it's reliably sourced that there are three specials for the 60th, and then concerning Gatwa, his first episode will aired over the festive period and Series 14 will premiere in 2024, the fourth special is likely Gatwa's premiere episode. -- Alex_21 TALK 09:29, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
Creating a discussion here to prevent an edit war with @ Alex21.
I've removed the statement that Bernard Cribbins will reprise his role as Wilfred Mott and it has since been reverted and included again. Jacqueline Wilson and Karl Collins were both announced to be reprising their roles yesterday and this would have been the appropriate place to announce same for Cribbins, but this did not happen.
It claims to have been reliably sourced that Cribbins is returning, despite no inclusion yesterday. The source used admits to creating their article off a fake tweet but then finding real filming videos and photos in legitimate tweets. That tells us that yes, Bernard Cribbins was on set but doesn't mean he is reprising his role. He may well have done some filming but then was cut out. Or he couldn't complete the role before his death and therefore had to be removed entirely.
The point is there is no way to confidently say that Cribbins is in it, not even using the source that has been used.
Therefore would anyone object to me once again removing the Cribbins line from the article?
Panda815 ( talk) 13:10, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
Cribbins had just been filming for the show's 60th anniversary as Donna Noble's grandfather Wilfred Mott shortly before his death.I have no idea how you could read that as anything other than being the case. Lee Vilenski ( talk • contribs) 18:19, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
You have a misunderstanding of how this works. I have pointed to a source saying that he is playing this character. To remove this, you would need a source stating that this information isn't true. Just saying that it isn't included in another source is not good enough. none of the sources actually give us anything conclusive
- except I've given you something completely concrete saying this. It says Cribbins will play Mott. There's no room for wiggle room. Please
drop the stick.
Lee Vilenski (
talk •
contribs)
21:39, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
fair consensusso there should be no need to continue asking questions to which you have already received answers to.
Articles may make an analytic, evaluative, interpretive, or synthetic claim only if it has been published by a reliable secondary source. These source are making an evaluative claim that Mott is appearing based on the fact that he was seen filming, therefore making the information suitable enough for inclusion in this article. If you need a source specifically stating this you may want to check out some of these: " Doctor Who's Bernard Cribbins looks set for return as he's seen filming", " Unfortunately, the upcoming 60th anniversary of Doctor Who will serve as one of Bernard Cribbins final acting roles, as he died after filming his scenes." " we heard about his death just weeks after discovering Cribbins was taking part in the 60th anniversary specials". TheDoctorWho (talk) 04:04, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
Look, as far as I'm concerned, if it's a previous actor, then it is that SPECIFIC previous version of the Doctor. It's the Tenth Doctor, and that's that! Visokor ( talk) 22:46, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
That may well be the case and your right that one face shouldn't have multiple regenerations. However, all official announcements etc. say he is the Fourteenth. Have you read this on the BBC website: https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/articles/2022/doctor-who-60th-anniversary-specials-everything-we-know ?
If the BBC refers to him as fourteenth then so must we. Panda815 ( talk) 23:43, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
-- Alex_21 TALK 21:24, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
Is Doctor Who still scheduled to air on Disney+? Their support doesn't know anything about the cooperation ("If we would show it, it would be on the "coming soon" page"). All announcements are from 2022. Is it confirmed that with a Disney+ subscription people will be able to watch it? 2003:CB:BF33:8500:9158:F471:70AE:77AB ( talk) 18:11, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
For some reason the Tales of the TARDIS article was deleted, and it now redirects here.
Why? It's a different show, which was released alongside the 60th anniversary celebrations of which the specials are just a part. All information in that article is lost and relegated to a single line mentioning it happened in this one. DoorOpensCloses ( talk) 12:33, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
The article has a section that specifies the "overnight ratings" for the episode (5 million viewers) but doesn't specify whether this is limited to the UK or also includes people worldwide who watched it on Disney+ overnight. I would guess it is the UK rating, but this ought to be made clear. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.255.207.46 ( talk) 09:36, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
Could someone create a seperate Wild Blue Yonder page? 2A00:23C7:6989:2701:6DBB:7C39:7900:BB62 ( talk) 18:30, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
https://twitter.com/rtalalay/status/1729528265055101252 According to Rachel Talalay on Twitter, the blocks for the episodes are as follows: 1 - The Star Beast, 2 - The Giggle, 3 - Wild Blue Yonder. Also I believe Destination: Skaro could be just considered 'X' as it was filmed nearly a year after The Star Beast and is only a minisode. - TrixieCat123 ( User talk:TrixieCat123) 01:43, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
Where's the page for The Giggle? 2A00:23C7:6989:2701:7D09:2C68:3125:A28F ( talk) 22:40, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
Bernard Cribbins did not "posthumously reprise his role"; he was alive when he did so. Please let's not have this restored a third time. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:18, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
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I will be preforming this review I hope it passes.
1. It's pretty close to reaching all five criteria.
2.
[3] Earwig Doesnt flag anything just a few quotes which have to be verbatim.
3. No maintenance tags.
4. Page is currently stable, no persistent vandalism.
5. This is the first GA review
✓ Pass
Done
:As the specials were released onto Disney+ around the same time as they were on BBC One shouldnt Disney Plus be listed in the infobox.
Both of them seem to be fansites. There are a few replacements for the information they provide.
Claim:
The new logo was revealed on 25 October 2022, in conjunction with the announcement that the specials would premiere on Disney+ outside the UK and Ireland.
Source:
[5]
Proven by source
Claim:
Due to failing health, Cribbins' role as Wilfred Mott was reduced, however, he was able to film one last appearance for the ending of "Wild Blue Yonder", his final performance before his death on 27 July 2022, one day after production for the specials wrapped.
Source:
[6]
Proven by source
Backed up by other sources
======REF 125======
Claim:
The total veiwers of the specials were 7.61, 7.14, and 6.85 million.
Source:
[8]
Source removed I will check another
Proven by source: You have to specificly select the timeframe you want to see but it is true
Claim:
On 7 March 2023, it was announced that Tennant, who was the main presenter of Comic Relief 2023, would appear during a sketch in the telethon in the Fourteenth Doctor's costume to promote the specials.
Source:
[11]
Proven by source
:There are various sections which feel like they are just covering Doctor Who in 2023 and not specificly the specials. Could you explain the relevence of these?
✓ Pass
Its seems unbiased nothing overly prasises it nor critizes it,
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I am going to concatenate all of my responses here, instead of replying above individually, as this is a very uniquely laid-out GA; I've never seen it before.
-- Alex_21 TALK 08:40, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
|network=
parameter, The original network on which the season has appeared. Do not add foreign broadcasters here. Use links if articles are available.This is the widely-accepted consensus of WP:TV. -- Alex_21 TALK 05:11, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
may be repeated if helpful for readers, such as [...] at the first occurrence in a section.That means, links can be repeated in different sections. -- Alex_21 TALK 11:51, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
as to why the are allowedmakes no gramatically sense; I cannot make sense of your comments. -- Alex_21 TALK 08:54, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
In the "
Wild Blue Yonder" episode article it states "In interviews, both Tennant and Davies said that more had been written for Cribbins' Wilfred, but his appearance in the episode was all that he had been able to film, as he became too ill to continue and died shortly thereafter"
(which is unsourced in that article). This implies that he filmed his appearance for WBY, and had more written (which would have been for "
The Giggle") but was "too ill to continue." How is this possible if The Giggle was filmed before WBY? Wouldn't it have been the other way 'round? He would've filmed his scenes for The Giggle and then have been too ill to continue into WBY. I understand this is partially original research, given the source for the production order, but I'm questioning the accuracy. The
shooting script for "The Giggle" does confirm that Cribbins had dialogue written.
TheDoctorWho
(talk)
04:26, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
I am considering moving The Star Beast (Doctor Who) to The Star Beast (Doctor Who episode).
Per
WP:NCEPISODE, we disambiguate further with "episode/character/element" when necessary. Where the title is the same as an episode, character, or other element from the show, disambiguate further using Article title (Show Title episode/character/element).
This applies even when the other article is not notable or is a redirect/disambiguation page. We can see this in:
The further simiarly-named articles include The Star Beast (Doctor Who comic) and The Star Beast (Doctor Who audio drama), which are both redirects. -- Alex_21 TALK 12:29, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
Doctor Who specials (2023) has been listed as one of the
Media and drama good articles under the
good article criteria. If you can improve it further,
please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can
reassess it. Review: February 15, 2024. ( Reviewed version). |
This article is rated GA-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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The following references may be useful when improving this article in the future:
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Should this page be called "Doctor Who (2023 Specials)"? We can assume its not three specials on the day 23 November 2023, but rather spread out through the year with one most likely falling on the actual anniversary ( Aricmfergie ( talk) 03:52, 4 September 2022 (UTC))
A consistent naming scheme should be used for all season articles of a TV show: if one season is named something special, this should be noted through redirects and in the article's WP:LEAD, but the article should be named in the same fashion as the other season pages.This is also why The Key to Time and The Trial of a Time Lord are under Season # titles. -- Alex_21 TALK 12:25, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
Is this page even ready to be published yet? ( Aricmfergie ( talk) 03:53, 4 September 2022 (UTC))
This article seems to have been very rushed into. Nowhere has it been confirmed that the 60th anniversary will be 3 specials, even if there has been 3 directors announced. There is also varying accounts of Ncuti Gatwa being on set filming so this could tie into the start of Series 14.
Why has this article been published when there is no current idea of the 60th Anniversary's format? Panda815 ( talk) 14:18, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
According to Doctor Who Magazine there are four specials next year not three. MarvelMovieFan ( talk) 08:12, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
I sit here with ten scripts in front of me (four Specials and six episodes of the New Series, so far [...]). Given that it's reliably sourced that there are three specials for the 60th, and then concerning Gatwa, his first episode will aired over the festive period and Series 14 will premiere in 2024, the fourth special is likely Gatwa's premiere episode. -- Alex_21 TALK 09:29, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
Creating a discussion here to prevent an edit war with @ Alex21.
I've removed the statement that Bernard Cribbins will reprise his role as Wilfred Mott and it has since been reverted and included again. Jacqueline Wilson and Karl Collins were both announced to be reprising their roles yesterday and this would have been the appropriate place to announce same for Cribbins, but this did not happen.
It claims to have been reliably sourced that Cribbins is returning, despite no inclusion yesterday. The source used admits to creating their article off a fake tweet but then finding real filming videos and photos in legitimate tweets. That tells us that yes, Bernard Cribbins was on set but doesn't mean he is reprising his role. He may well have done some filming but then was cut out. Or he couldn't complete the role before his death and therefore had to be removed entirely.
The point is there is no way to confidently say that Cribbins is in it, not even using the source that has been used.
Therefore would anyone object to me once again removing the Cribbins line from the article?
Panda815 ( talk) 13:10, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
Cribbins had just been filming for the show's 60th anniversary as Donna Noble's grandfather Wilfred Mott shortly before his death.I have no idea how you could read that as anything other than being the case. Lee Vilenski ( talk • contribs) 18:19, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
You have a misunderstanding of how this works. I have pointed to a source saying that he is playing this character. To remove this, you would need a source stating that this information isn't true. Just saying that it isn't included in another source is not good enough. none of the sources actually give us anything conclusive
- except I've given you something completely concrete saying this. It says Cribbins will play Mott. There's no room for wiggle room. Please
drop the stick.
Lee Vilenski (
talk •
contribs)
21:39, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
fair consensusso there should be no need to continue asking questions to which you have already received answers to.
Articles may make an analytic, evaluative, interpretive, or synthetic claim only if it has been published by a reliable secondary source. These source are making an evaluative claim that Mott is appearing based on the fact that he was seen filming, therefore making the information suitable enough for inclusion in this article. If you need a source specifically stating this you may want to check out some of these: " Doctor Who's Bernard Cribbins looks set for return as he's seen filming", " Unfortunately, the upcoming 60th anniversary of Doctor Who will serve as one of Bernard Cribbins final acting roles, as he died after filming his scenes." " we heard about his death just weeks after discovering Cribbins was taking part in the 60th anniversary specials". TheDoctorWho (talk) 04:04, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
Look, as far as I'm concerned, if it's a previous actor, then it is that SPECIFIC previous version of the Doctor. It's the Tenth Doctor, and that's that! Visokor ( talk) 22:46, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
That may well be the case and your right that one face shouldn't have multiple regenerations. However, all official announcements etc. say he is the Fourteenth. Have you read this on the BBC website: https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/articles/2022/doctor-who-60th-anniversary-specials-everything-we-know ?
If the BBC refers to him as fourteenth then so must we. Panda815 ( talk) 23:43, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
-- Alex_21 TALK 21:24, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
Is Doctor Who still scheduled to air on Disney+? Their support doesn't know anything about the cooperation ("If we would show it, it would be on the "coming soon" page"). All announcements are from 2022. Is it confirmed that with a Disney+ subscription people will be able to watch it? 2003:CB:BF33:8500:9158:F471:70AE:77AB ( talk) 18:11, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
For some reason the Tales of the TARDIS article was deleted, and it now redirects here.
Why? It's a different show, which was released alongside the 60th anniversary celebrations of which the specials are just a part. All information in that article is lost and relegated to a single line mentioning it happened in this one. DoorOpensCloses ( talk) 12:33, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
The article has a section that specifies the "overnight ratings" for the episode (5 million viewers) but doesn't specify whether this is limited to the UK or also includes people worldwide who watched it on Disney+ overnight. I would guess it is the UK rating, but this ought to be made clear. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.255.207.46 ( talk) 09:36, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
Could someone create a seperate Wild Blue Yonder page? 2A00:23C7:6989:2701:6DBB:7C39:7900:BB62 ( talk) 18:30, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
https://twitter.com/rtalalay/status/1729528265055101252 According to Rachel Talalay on Twitter, the blocks for the episodes are as follows: 1 - The Star Beast, 2 - The Giggle, 3 - Wild Blue Yonder. Also I believe Destination: Skaro could be just considered 'X' as it was filmed nearly a year after The Star Beast and is only a minisode. - TrixieCat123 ( User talk:TrixieCat123) 01:43, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
Where's the page for The Giggle? 2A00:23C7:6989:2701:7D09:2C68:3125:A28F ( talk) 22:40, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
Bernard Cribbins did not "posthumously reprise his role"; he was alive when he did so. Please let's not have this restored a third time. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:18, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
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Reviewer: OlifanofmrTennant ( talk · contribs) 00:41, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
I will be preforming this review I hope it passes.
1. It's pretty close to reaching all five criteria.
2.
[3] Earwig Doesnt flag anything just a few quotes which have to be verbatim.
3. No maintenance tags.
4. Page is currently stable, no persistent vandalism.
5. This is the first GA review
✓ Pass
Done
:As the specials were released onto Disney+ around the same time as they were on BBC One shouldnt Disney Plus be listed in the infobox.
Both of them seem to be fansites. There are a few replacements for the information they provide.
Claim:
The new logo was revealed on 25 October 2022, in conjunction with the announcement that the specials would premiere on Disney+ outside the UK and Ireland.
Source:
[5]
Proven by source
Claim:
Due to failing health, Cribbins' role as Wilfred Mott was reduced, however, he was able to film one last appearance for the ending of "Wild Blue Yonder", his final performance before his death on 27 July 2022, one day after production for the specials wrapped.
Source:
[6]
Proven by source
Backed up by other sources
======REF 125======
Claim:
The total veiwers of the specials were 7.61, 7.14, and 6.85 million.
Source:
[8]
Source removed I will check another
Proven by source: You have to specificly select the timeframe you want to see but it is true
Claim:
On 7 March 2023, it was announced that Tennant, who was the main presenter of Comic Relief 2023, would appear during a sketch in the telethon in the Fourteenth Doctor's costume to promote the specials.
Source:
[11]
Proven by source
:There are various sections which feel like they are just covering Doctor Who in 2023 and not specificly the specials. Could you explain the relevence of these?
✓ Pass
Its seems unbiased nothing overly prasises it nor critizes it,
✓ Pass
✓ Pass
✓ Pass
I am going to concatenate all of my responses here, instead of replying above individually, as this is a very uniquely laid-out GA; I've never seen it before.
-- Alex_21 TALK 08:40, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
|network=
parameter, The original network on which the season has appeared. Do not add foreign broadcasters here. Use links if articles are available.This is the widely-accepted consensus of WP:TV. -- Alex_21 TALK 05:11, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
may be repeated if helpful for readers, such as [...] at the first occurrence in a section.That means, links can be repeated in different sections. -- Alex_21 TALK 11:51, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
as to why the are allowedmakes no gramatically sense; I cannot make sense of your comments. -- Alex_21 TALK 08:54, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
In the "
Wild Blue Yonder" episode article it states "In interviews, both Tennant and Davies said that more had been written for Cribbins' Wilfred, but his appearance in the episode was all that he had been able to film, as he became too ill to continue and died shortly thereafter"
(which is unsourced in that article). This implies that he filmed his appearance for WBY, and had more written (which would have been for "
The Giggle") but was "too ill to continue." How is this possible if The Giggle was filmed before WBY? Wouldn't it have been the other way 'round? He would've filmed his scenes for The Giggle and then have been too ill to continue into WBY. I understand this is partially original research, given the source for the production order, but I'm questioning the accuracy. The
shooting script for "The Giggle" does confirm that Cribbins had dialogue written.
TheDoctorWho
(talk)
04:26, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
I am considering moving The Star Beast (Doctor Who) to The Star Beast (Doctor Who episode).
Per
WP:NCEPISODE, we disambiguate further with "episode/character/element" when necessary. Where the title is the same as an episode, character, or other element from the show, disambiguate further using Article title (Show Title episode/character/element).
This applies even when the other article is not notable or is a redirect/disambiguation page. We can see this in:
The further simiarly-named articles include The Star Beast (Doctor Who comic) and The Star Beast (Doctor Who audio drama), which are both redirects. -- Alex_21 TALK 12:29, 15 June 2024 (UTC)