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When Contactmusic published an article about the then-upcoming release of "Do or Die" in late July 2013, they stated: "Following their gravity-defying, Radio 1 A-listed single 'Up In The Air' Thirty Seconds To Mars drop another killer track; 'Do or Die', out September 9th on Polydor Records.". I am writing this on the 15th of September, and still no single release exists. Sure, a promo CD had circulated around in August, and officially impacted the UK airwaves on this particular day of Monday the 9th of September, but it only gave false hope for the rest of us waiting for the single itself. For the past week we have been searching. It's not on iTunes in the UK or any of the many iTunes Stores there are! It's not on any of the international editions of Amazon.com either! The Thirty Seconds to Mars Store still only sells the Love, Lust, Faith and Dreams album, and all the second-grade sellers like HMV, JB Hi-Fi and the Virgin Records Store don't have it either! No "Do or Die" single in sight! After our vigorous search lasting a treacherous week without prevail, we began to ponder to ourselves: Could Contactmusic be wrong? Were they only referring to the radio release of "Do or Die" instead? None of us could believe it! How could someone like Contactmusic get it all wrong? But it was at that moment, one of my also-astonished friends reminded me of a certain Billboard article years back...
Coldplay's Mylo Xyloto had just been released in October 2011, and we were all aboard the train of glory! After the heavily-anticipated " Princess of China" featuring Rihanna was leaked, people were going nuts over the song! It was around the time of the single's release that Billboard told us that "Princess of China" would be released as the third single from the album on October 25! It was estaticlingly interesting! A third single so soon? Why not wait until a few months pass? It all turned out to be, however, one big miscall fired by Billboard, who are supposed to be the most professional music media source United States! They are the chartholders in the United States, after all! Billboard, of all sources, got it all wrong!. In a surprising matter of fact, " Charlie Brown" was released as the third single in January 2012, and "Princess of China", unfortunately, did not see a single release until April! It was there that we learned a valuable lesson our mothers and colleagues have been trying to teach us for years: "Don't believe everything you read on the internet."
As I sit here, after my week-long journey to find the legendary "Do or Die" single had drawn to a bitter and disappointing close, I realized to myself that they had it all wrong again. But luckily it wasn't Billboard this time. It was some music website that does get attention, but only has, according to the resident wikipedia article, should we believe that or not, 12 full-time employees and, should we quote, many freelance contributors from across the globe, with their only professional association being the United Kingdom's Channel 4, of all things a music website could have a deal with. Not any record companies, no SoundScan equivalents, no actual ties with musical acts. What separates this particular website from all the other websites? The question may be left unanswered for years to come. If they are the website others claim them to be, how come I was unable to locate what they and other minor blogs and such claim to be a release of "Do or Die" as a single? Are we too numb in our minds to accept that internet websites can get it wrong sometimes, and do get it wrong sometimes? Why is it that we, as wikipedians, trust the word of a particular website, who may or my not be just relaying already-known information, yet are not diligent enough to make sure this word is one of truth? Shouldn't we, as wikipedians, question all sources first? Why must we accept the word of major websites without, at very least, scrutinizing the source first? Is the fact that a user, attacking me with the exact words "Stop doing vandalisms", complete with incorrect spelling, final proof that we, the editors, have descended to a level that we are now attacking people just because they dare to scrutinize the source? Is Wikipedia slowly, but surely, reversing itself back to being the unreliable source that it was 4-5 years ago? Asking these questions scare me sometimes. But that's what an editor must do to proceed. We must ask questions.
The legendary "Do or Die" single, as elusive as it can be, does not exist, to our knowledge. The word of Contactmusic has been broken. As God-like and completely truthful as some users make it out to be, it has not been truthful to us, at least.
RazorEye ⡭ ₪ ·o' ⍦ ࿂ 20:24, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
This Features in trailers of The Book of Life and will be in the Trailers of Kung Fu Panda 3. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.44.164.254 ( talk) 07:59, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
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This feels some way below the bar for GA status right now- the writing is fairly poor in places, the sample needs sorting and some of the sources are questionable. However, I'm happy to see if you can make the fixes necessary. J Milburn ( talk) 15:58, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
This is looking loads better.
I have done a good bit of copyediting- please check my edits. One remaining worry is about the sourcing. I've found an example of information which is not in the cited source, and an example of close paraphrasing. Once you've dealt with the above comments, I'm going to have to look more closely at the sources. J Milburn ( talk) 10:01, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
Sorry for the delay. I'm still a little concerned about the sourcing.
My worry is this- I don't really want to go through every source, but when I'm spot-checking, I am seeing a lot of issues. J Milburn ( talk) 18:36, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
Ok, I'm going to go ahead and promote, but with some advice: please make sure that what you write in articles matches what is claimed in the source. On more than one occasion, I've seen great editors face a lot of heavy criticism (borderline witch-hunts) because they're claiming things in articles which don't quite match what the sources say. Just be careful with it- it is important, especially because (unlike, say, rogue apostrophes) this isn't something that will be quickly fixed by readers. J Milburn ( talk) 16:38, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
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When Contactmusic published an article about the then-upcoming release of "Do or Die" in late July 2013, they stated: "Following their gravity-defying, Radio 1 A-listed single 'Up In The Air' Thirty Seconds To Mars drop another killer track; 'Do or Die', out September 9th on Polydor Records.". I am writing this on the 15th of September, and still no single release exists. Sure, a promo CD had circulated around in August, and officially impacted the UK airwaves on this particular day of Monday the 9th of September, but it only gave false hope for the rest of us waiting for the single itself. For the past week we have been searching. It's not on iTunes in the UK or any of the many iTunes Stores there are! It's not on any of the international editions of Amazon.com either! The Thirty Seconds to Mars Store still only sells the Love, Lust, Faith and Dreams album, and all the second-grade sellers like HMV, JB Hi-Fi and the Virgin Records Store don't have it either! No "Do or Die" single in sight! After our vigorous search lasting a treacherous week without prevail, we began to ponder to ourselves: Could Contactmusic be wrong? Were they only referring to the radio release of "Do or Die" instead? None of us could believe it! How could someone like Contactmusic get it all wrong? But it was at that moment, one of my also-astonished friends reminded me of a certain Billboard article years back...
Coldplay's Mylo Xyloto had just been released in October 2011, and we were all aboard the train of glory! After the heavily-anticipated " Princess of China" featuring Rihanna was leaked, people were going nuts over the song! It was around the time of the single's release that Billboard told us that "Princess of China" would be released as the third single from the album on October 25! It was estaticlingly interesting! A third single so soon? Why not wait until a few months pass? It all turned out to be, however, one big miscall fired by Billboard, who are supposed to be the most professional music media source United States! They are the chartholders in the United States, after all! Billboard, of all sources, got it all wrong!. In a surprising matter of fact, " Charlie Brown" was released as the third single in January 2012, and "Princess of China", unfortunately, did not see a single release until April! It was there that we learned a valuable lesson our mothers and colleagues have been trying to teach us for years: "Don't believe everything you read on the internet."
As I sit here, after my week-long journey to find the legendary "Do or Die" single had drawn to a bitter and disappointing close, I realized to myself that they had it all wrong again. But luckily it wasn't Billboard this time. It was some music website that does get attention, but only has, according to the resident wikipedia article, should we believe that or not, 12 full-time employees and, should we quote, many freelance contributors from across the globe, with their only professional association being the United Kingdom's Channel 4, of all things a music website could have a deal with. Not any record companies, no SoundScan equivalents, no actual ties with musical acts. What separates this particular website from all the other websites? The question may be left unanswered for years to come. If they are the website others claim them to be, how come I was unable to locate what they and other minor blogs and such claim to be a release of "Do or Die" as a single? Are we too numb in our minds to accept that internet websites can get it wrong sometimes, and do get it wrong sometimes? Why is it that we, as wikipedians, trust the word of a particular website, who may or my not be just relaying already-known information, yet are not diligent enough to make sure this word is one of truth? Shouldn't we, as wikipedians, question all sources first? Why must we accept the word of major websites without, at very least, scrutinizing the source first? Is the fact that a user, attacking me with the exact words "Stop doing vandalisms", complete with incorrect spelling, final proof that we, the editors, have descended to a level that we are now attacking people just because they dare to scrutinize the source? Is Wikipedia slowly, but surely, reversing itself back to being the unreliable source that it was 4-5 years ago? Asking these questions scare me sometimes. But that's what an editor must do to proceed. We must ask questions.
The legendary "Do or Die" single, as elusive as it can be, does not exist, to our knowledge. The word of Contactmusic has been broken. As God-like and completely truthful as some users make it out to be, it has not been truthful to us, at least.
RazorEye ⡭ ₪ ·o' ⍦ ࿂ 20:24, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
This Features in trailers of The Book of Life and will be in the Trailers of Kung Fu Panda 3. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.44.164.254 ( talk) 07:59, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
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Happy to offer a review. It's a real shame you've had to wait so long.
J Milburn (
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15:07, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
This feels some way below the bar for GA status right now- the writing is fairly poor in places, the sample needs sorting and some of the sources are questionable. However, I'm happy to see if you can make the fixes necessary. J Milburn ( talk) 15:58, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
This is looking loads better.
I have done a good bit of copyediting- please check my edits. One remaining worry is about the sourcing. I've found an example of information which is not in the cited source, and an example of close paraphrasing. Once you've dealt with the above comments, I'm going to have to look more closely at the sources. J Milburn ( talk) 10:01, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
Sorry for the delay. I'm still a little concerned about the sourcing.
My worry is this- I don't really want to go through every source, but when I'm spot-checking, I am seeing a lot of issues. J Milburn ( talk) 18:36, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
Ok, I'm going to go ahead and promote, but with some advice: please make sure that what you write in articles matches what is claimed in the source. On more than one occasion, I've seen great editors face a lot of heavy criticism (borderline witch-hunts) because they're claiming things in articles which don't quite match what the sources say. Just be careful with it- it is important, especially because (unlike, say, rogue apostrophes) this isn't something that will be quickly fixed by readers. J Milburn ( talk) 16:38, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
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