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This article refers to pilotage, which is navigation that compares landscape/seascape features with markings on a chart. However, this article makes no mention of using charts. Unless "pilotage" has a different meaning for divers, supported by a reference, it should not be used here. User:HopsonRoad 14:53, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
Navigation by reference to terrain features, both natural and artificial, usually with the aid of an appropriate chart.User:HopsonRoad 15:11, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
I can see no reason to title this article anything other than Underwater navigation. if there were multiple articles laying claim to the same name, and another one was the primary topic, then we would use the parenthetical disambiguation scheme and call it Underwater navigation (scuba diving), but in the absence of competing topics, WP:DAB recommends the primary topic should be titled as succinctly as possible. I can see there is an argument at WP:PRECISION that a title should be "precise enough to unambiguously define the topical scope of the article, but no more precise than that". However, as Submarine navigation is about the only other topic that could claim the title, I see no reason to change the current scheme, especially not to one where Underwater navigation would be a redirect to Underwater navigation (scuba diving). That really would be the worst of both worlds.
I've added a hatnote to direct submariners to Submarine navigation, as that should be sufficient where only two articles have potential overlap. If there were more than two, I could see a case for making Underwater navigation a disambiguation page per WP:TWODABS, but not just with two. -- RexxS ( talk) 23:02, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
I'm glad to see all this constructive discussion. I'm concerned that some editors may be tempted to create a how-to manual here. Remember to bear in mind that the tone shouldn't denote an instructional manual. I'm concerned that, if the material drawn from is primarily instructional manuals, then the level of detail would be too great for an encyclopedia and also not sufficiently notable as those from reliable sources. I would recommend the first course of action for this article would be to provide inline citations. Best of luck! User:HopsonRoad 16:44, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
Firstly,I think it would be an improvement to move the second to fourth paragraphs from the top of the article to a new section entitled ‘Diver training and certification’ at the bottom of article in order to move information of a secondary nature away from the start of the article and to let the TOC to move up under the opening paragraph. Secondly, with respect to training, should there be discussion about non-recreational training such as commercial and scientific diving? Thirdly, should not there be content in the section entitled ‘Equipment” about items of equipment such as distance lines et al? Regards Cowdy001 ( talk) 21:42, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
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This article refers to pilotage, which is navigation that compares landscape/seascape features with markings on a chart. However, this article makes no mention of using charts. Unless "pilotage" has a different meaning for divers, supported by a reference, it should not be used here. User:HopsonRoad 14:53, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
Navigation by reference to terrain features, both natural and artificial, usually with the aid of an appropriate chart.User:HopsonRoad 15:11, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
I can see no reason to title this article anything other than Underwater navigation. if there were multiple articles laying claim to the same name, and another one was the primary topic, then we would use the parenthetical disambiguation scheme and call it Underwater navigation (scuba diving), but in the absence of competing topics, WP:DAB recommends the primary topic should be titled as succinctly as possible. I can see there is an argument at WP:PRECISION that a title should be "precise enough to unambiguously define the topical scope of the article, but no more precise than that". However, as Submarine navigation is about the only other topic that could claim the title, I see no reason to change the current scheme, especially not to one where Underwater navigation would be a redirect to Underwater navigation (scuba diving). That really would be the worst of both worlds.
I've added a hatnote to direct submariners to Submarine navigation, as that should be sufficient where only two articles have potential overlap. If there were more than two, I could see a case for making Underwater navigation a disambiguation page per WP:TWODABS, but not just with two. -- RexxS ( talk) 23:02, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
I'm glad to see all this constructive discussion. I'm concerned that some editors may be tempted to create a how-to manual here. Remember to bear in mind that the tone shouldn't denote an instructional manual. I'm concerned that, if the material drawn from is primarily instructional manuals, then the level of detail would be too great for an encyclopedia and also not sufficiently notable as those from reliable sources. I would recommend the first course of action for this article would be to provide inline citations. Best of luck! User:HopsonRoad 16:44, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
Firstly,I think it would be an improvement to move the second to fourth paragraphs from the top of the article to a new section entitled ‘Diver training and certification’ at the bottom of article in order to move information of a secondary nature away from the start of the article and to let the TOC to move up under the opening paragraph. Secondly, with respect to training, should there be discussion about non-recreational training such as commercial and scientific diving? Thirdly, should not there be content in the section entitled ‘Equipment” about items of equipment such as distance lines et al? Regards Cowdy001 ( talk) 21:42, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
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