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Does this entry really pass muster as neutral? or historical? -- Wetman 07:59, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)
The tone looks rather Protestant to me. But there is in general in this article a need for two-handedness (some historians say x, some y) which is lacking: there is no need for Wikipedia to take a view on how much abuse there was in the pre-reformation institutions. Diomedea Exulans ( talk) 09:26, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
I did try to remove the more overt examples of POV statements from the article - but if you think that there remains an overly "Protestant" tone that would benefit from correcting, go ahead. There have been a number of detailed empirical studies of the evidence in recent years, so most of the asserted facts in the article are (so far as I can tell) uncontentious. The area that does requre two-handedness - in my view - would be a discussion of the date when policy changed from monastic reform to total suppression. The problem is that this issue is bound up with a related issue of whether the chief motive for suppression was the extension of royal authority, or the enhancement of royal income (in so far as these can be distinguished). And views on that, in their turn, tend to reflect a judgement as to whether dissolution is seen as being driven by Henry or Cromwell. If someone is able to cast a paragraph or two, giving the varioud recent scholary viewpoints on these issues, that would be very valuable. TomHennell ( talk) 00:42, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
It would be interesting to know the justification of the term "Protestant" as used here. Henry thought of himself as Catholic - just not "Roman" Catholic - and to this day every member of an Anglican congregation in the UK intones the words of the Nicean creed - "I believe in the Holy Catholic Church".
In addition the assertion in the introduction that the dissolution of the monasteries was the biggest legal land transfer in England after the Norman Conquest lacks any sort of justification. The Enclosures Acts, where large amounts of Common Land were divided up between the local vicar and Lord of the Manor in around 1796 would seem to have a claim to that title. Records of Gloucestershire alone show massive increases in Church income as a result of the sequestration of the land and dispersion of the peasantry: Indeed a number of the so called "plague villages" are in fact no such thing but merely the remnants of villages destroyed in the 1790s in order to drive away the inhabitants.
Drg40 ( talk) 11:57, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
"It is unlikely that the monastic system could have been broken if there had not been a strong feeling of resentment against the church amongst at least part of the general population."
This statement is woeful. Why is this allowed to stand?
I have removed the following sentence; "The world-famous Book of Kells was only preserved by being smuggled out of the monastery at great risk by the last Abbot." The Abbey of Kells was converted to a parish church in the 12th Century. The last Abbot had been dead for about 400 years by the time of Thomas Cromwell. The Book left Kells during the rule of Oliver Cromwell, a century later. Dsmdgold 22:24, Feb 6, 2005 (UTC)
Added the section header "Context and description" so that the Table of Contents wasn't pushed to the bottom. I know that's not the greatest title, but I couldn't think of anything else, nor could I find a way to split them into two separate sections, e.g. "Context" and "Description." =\ -- User:Jenmoa 18:23, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
Currently reading a book by Jane Greatorex (Greatorex, Jane [1999]. Coggeshall Abbey and Abbey Mill [Manors, Mills & Manuscripts]. Jane Greatorex, Castle Hedingham, Essex. ISBN 0951854348). On page 11 she talks about how in 1295 all monastic houses within 13 miles of the coast and sending money back to their mother houses in France were re-sited to within not 20 miles of the coast. And how in 1391 Richard II dissolved all 'alien' religious houses in the country, "the first dissolution of houses in this country". Is this a well known fact and could it be regarded as an earlier dissolution? Is it worth mentioning on this page or else where? Thanks Pluke 16:42, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
There were several prior dissolutions of monastic houses. What you are refering to is the dissolution of the Alien Priories. These were small monasteries, sometimes merely estates, that belonged to French abbeys as a result of donations after the Norman conquest. As a consequence of the 100 Years War they were siezed by the government during the 14th century as enemy property and put under administration to prevent the income going abroad to France. During the early 15th some became naturalised (for example Lewes, Castle Acre) and continued to exist while others were taken by the crown and either given to other foundations (Eton College and Syon abbey for example were major beneficiaries) otr to roayal cronies. The the fate of the Alien Priories should definitely be mentioned as it's an important legal precedent for Henry's actions, as indeed should the early 16th century dissolutions for educational purposes. Contemporary dissolutions in Germany, Switzerland and Scandinavia should also be mentioned. I must say that I think that this article needs a thorough rewrite. Soph 13:53, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
I see there is a redlink at "the First Suppression Act (1536) and the Second Suppression Act (1539)." I feel this current article is incomplete without paragraphs discussing the contents of these two acts, and that separate articles might not really serve the Wikipedia reader at this stage. -- Wetman 18:09, 24 October 2007 (UTC).
I have tagged this article with {{ globalize/UK}}, because it seems to say very little about the dissolution in Ireland, although there is quite a lot on the dissolution in England. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 18:07, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
the article did appear to be skewed by a POV that did not reflect current scholarship. I have suggested a number of changes, but am sure that further improvement is needed. TomHennell ( talk) 12:28, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
I have removed the para below, as I am not sure it adds anything to the context, and its claims regarding the position of Cardinal Pole in leading resistance to dissolution, I believe to be historically unfounded. Pole was certainly a strong defender of Catherine of Aragon against the divorce; and also a critic of the Royal Supremacy. But his views on the current state of the religious life were generally very critical; indeed the strictures expressed by the Consilium de Emendanda Ecclesia were gleefully quoted by the proponents of dissolution. Moreover, the reference to "Catholic loyalists" seems off the mark - in that the most loyal of Catholics (as Stephen Gardiner tended to favour both the Royal Supremacy and the Dissolution. Undoubtedly Henry was paranoid in his tendancy to regard all forms of monastic resistance as covert treason - but nevertheless some degree of opposition to the secular order was often present. A person who opposes royal authority cannot easily be termed a "loyalist". But what do others think? TomHennell ( talk) 20:31, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
I find this part of the context section (as well as a great deal more of it) to be hopelessly biased. To my knowledge, there is no way that such statements can be made so holistically about monasticism in England. At the top of the article, it says there were some 825 religious communities that were dissolved by Henry VIII. A statement that claims few monks or nuns set standards of ascetic piety or religious observance, must have a source in my opinion. It would have been impossible to know about the lifestyles of the monks and nuns of more than 800 communities. Furthermore, every religious order sets standards on piety and observance, it is another matter if they follow them. This unsourced statement claims that most of the monastic orders in England didn't even set standards regarding religious observance???? Even though religious observance would be the main reason for them at all. Im therefore removing this line. If someone wants the statement to remain, I suggest you find a legitimate source that speaks to the lack of any standards of piety or religious observance across the entirety of monasticism in England.
I have substantially revised the main section to clarify the distinction between the Vistitaiion of the Monasteries and the Valor Ecclesiasticus; and to bring the article into line with recent academic research, which tends to regard the initial stages of the process as arising from Henry's wish for monastic reform (albeit one that would close a high proportion of monastic houses), with the decision to seek total dissolution only following the Pilgrimage of Grace. TomHennell ( talk) 16:45, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
I have reverted the following addition: Last but not least, it was the invention of the printing press in the early 16th century that made the dissolution of the monestaries a feasible course of action for the king. Its invention made redundant the most critical service the monasteries rendered - the painstaking copying of texts by hand. The printing press was invented in the 15th century. By the 15th century, monasteries had ceased to copy manuscripts, which was done by secular professional copyists. In this period, the decline in numbers meant that for the overwhelming majority of monasteries, it was as much as could be done to maintain the regular monastic office (and even then the night offices were commonly re-arranged into daylight hours). TomHennell ( talk) 23:37, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
Doesn't the First and Second Suppression Acts make this a legal seizure? Wouldn't a citation here be unnecessary?
All of which brings to mind Joseph Stalin's campaign against the Orthodox Church in Russia 400 years later. I wonder if Stalin studied or was inspired by Henry's history here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.16.188.200 ( talk) 16:04, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
BBC Radio 4's In Our Time is a 45 minute discussion programme about the history of ideas, with three eminent academics in their field, hosted by Melvyn Bragg. Each edition deals with one subject from one of the following fields: philosophy, science, religion, culture and historical events. It is akin to a seminar. The entire archive going back to 1998 is now available online in perpetuity.
An edition about the dissolution of the monasteries was broadcast with Diarmaid MacCulloch, Professor of the History of the Church at Oxford University; Diane Purkiss, Fellow and Tutor at Keble College, Oxford; George Bernard, Professor of Early Modern History at the University of Southampton.
You can listen to the programme on this link: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b009jtq1. Would you be able to include this as an external link?-- Herk1955 ( talk) 10:55, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
Henry VIII promised the English people like any slippery modern politician that the confiscation of the church lands would benefit the people by allowing the government to lower taxes for all time. Anyone who thinks the dissolution of the monasteries was a legal and just act by the state, deserves to live in a country where this is still the norm. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.34.4.232 ( talk) 00:47, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
This article has been transmogrified into an impressive essay. I almost felt like congratulating the fellow contributors; however it is an ill-conceived effort as this is an encyclopaedia. It needs to be rectified to meet relevant criteria for Wikipedia. For more details please see here: Encyclopedic style. Mootros ( talk) 19:10, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
A long essay at that. This article doesn't look incredibly long to anyone else? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.169.212.26 ( talk) 03:25, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
This is poor. Perhaps someone would like to remove or improve.
Henry didn't agree with the monks the nuns so he shut down all the monasteries (Where they lived) he then sold the land the monasteries had been on and earn money from it. Lots of the people didn't agree with it but they had to or would suffer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.172.180.242 ( talk) 07:47, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
I have removed a chunk of the first paragraph which was more or less saying that Henry was right to dissolve the monasteries because they were guzzling up all the dosh:
I have restored the paragraph; with the sources cited. These are simple statements of fact, taken from the Valor Ecclesiasticus and entirely appropriate to the article. TomHennell ( talk) 21:20, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
This article is too long; any reader desiring an overview of the subject matter will be sorely disappointed.
Also, whoever wrote the article has no idea, or chose simply to ignore, how semi-colons are actually used in standard English prose. The unorthodox punctuation is extremely distracting.
I know it is referenced (endnote 1), but the quote that one man in 50 was in a monastery is incorrect. The population was about 3 million, which means about 1.5 m men - and if 10,000 were "religious" (I mean in the technical sense) then that is one in 150 - even if we exclude childre that would still be one in a hundred, at most. I suggest a note to qualify the reference. Ncox ( talk) 17:43, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
In such a panoramic article as this, it would be interesting if on-record figures could be given for the numbers of monks etc who were executed or died otherwise in captivity, as well as those non-monastics executed for participation in the Pilgrimage of Grace and other anti dissolution protests (a check of the article on the latter shows out of 216 executions consequent there were 6 abbots and 38 monks put to death). It would be interesting certainly for context against the numbers of living monastics given earlier in the page and to answer the question as to how bloody this change was (I suspect dramas such as The Tudors exaggerate the loss of life). Cloptonson ( talk) 05:25, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Dissolution of the monasteries/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
I have graded the importance of these articles as follows: High Importance Catholicism Project and High importance Anglicanism project. Reasoning:
Henry VIII dissolved the monasteries – obstensibly to rid the Kingdom of corrupt priests and monks – but mainly because he wanted the money for himself. Regardless, the dissolution saw the effective end of Papal authority in England. Henry was already Head of the Church of England, but the dissolution acted as a visual national confirmation that Papal authority over Royal Supremacy would no longer be tolerated. The same visual national confirmation saw the rise of Anglicanism in England. Although a complete church settlement did not appear until the next generation, the dissolution of the monasteries scared clergymen into conversions. The leanings of Henry's chief minister, Thomas Cromwell, gave strength to the rise of Anglicanism; the dissolution had been organised by he himself. |
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The result of the move request was: not moved. There is a consensus that the current name is the commonly-used name for this event, rather than the descriptive name proposed. ( closed by page mover) Brad v 01:56, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
Dissolution of the Monasteries → Monasteries suppressed under the English Reformation – Monasteries should not be capitalised. What or when is "the" Monasteries? Needs an historical context. Needs a geographical disambiguator. Agrees with categories like Category:Monasteries suppressed under the Irish Reformation, Category:Monasteries suppressed under the Scottish Reformation and Category:Monasteries suppressed under the Icelandic Reformation. Laurel Lodged ( talk) 20:59, 3 December 2017 (UTC) 20:59, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Vpab15 ( talk) 18:39, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
Dissolution of the Monasteries → Dissolution of the monasteries – Not consistently capitalized in reliable sources as required by MOS:CAPS. ( t · c) buidhe 05:54, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
What did the monks say to King Henry the 8th to try and convince him to keep the monasteries 2A00:23C6:1E31:8B01:448D:9AE3:F469:4ACC ( talk) 18:15, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
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On 14 June 2021, it was proposed that this article be moved from Dissolution of the Monasteries to Dissolution of the monasteries. The result of the discussion was moved. |
Does this entry really pass muster as neutral? or historical? -- Wetman 07:59, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)
The tone looks rather Protestant to me. But there is in general in this article a need for two-handedness (some historians say x, some y) which is lacking: there is no need for Wikipedia to take a view on how much abuse there was in the pre-reformation institutions. Diomedea Exulans ( talk) 09:26, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
I did try to remove the more overt examples of POV statements from the article - but if you think that there remains an overly "Protestant" tone that would benefit from correcting, go ahead. There have been a number of detailed empirical studies of the evidence in recent years, so most of the asserted facts in the article are (so far as I can tell) uncontentious. The area that does requre two-handedness - in my view - would be a discussion of the date when policy changed from monastic reform to total suppression. The problem is that this issue is bound up with a related issue of whether the chief motive for suppression was the extension of royal authority, or the enhancement of royal income (in so far as these can be distinguished). And views on that, in their turn, tend to reflect a judgement as to whether dissolution is seen as being driven by Henry or Cromwell. If someone is able to cast a paragraph or two, giving the varioud recent scholary viewpoints on these issues, that would be very valuable. TomHennell ( talk) 00:42, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
It would be interesting to know the justification of the term "Protestant" as used here. Henry thought of himself as Catholic - just not "Roman" Catholic - and to this day every member of an Anglican congregation in the UK intones the words of the Nicean creed - "I believe in the Holy Catholic Church".
In addition the assertion in the introduction that the dissolution of the monasteries was the biggest legal land transfer in England after the Norman Conquest lacks any sort of justification. The Enclosures Acts, where large amounts of Common Land were divided up between the local vicar and Lord of the Manor in around 1796 would seem to have a claim to that title. Records of Gloucestershire alone show massive increases in Church income as a result of the sequestration of the land and dispersion of the peasantry: Indeed a number of the so called "plague villages" are in fact no such thing but merely the remnants of villages destroyed in the 1790s in order to drive away the inhabitants.
Drg40 ( talk) 11:57, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
"It is unlikely that the monastic system could have been broken if there had not been a strong feeling of resentment against the church amongst at least part of the general population."
This statement is woeful. Why is this allowed to stand?
I have removed the following sentence; "The world-famous Book of Kells was only preserved by being smuggled out of the monastery at great risk by the last Abbot." The Abbey of Kells was converted to a parish church in the 12th Century. The last Abbot had been dead for about 400 years by the time of Thomas Cromwell. The Book left Kells during the rule of Oliver Cromwell, a century later. Dsmdgold 22:24, Feb 6, 2005 (UTC)
Added the section header "Context and description" so that the Table of Contents wasn't pushed to the bottom. I know that's not the greatest title, but I couldn't think of anything else, nor could I find a way to split them into two separate sections, e.g. "Context" and "Description." =\ -- User:Jenmoa 18:23, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
Currently reading a book by Jane Greatorex (Greatorex, Jane [1999]. Coggeshall Abbey and Abbey Mill [Manors, Mills & Manuscripts]. Jane Greatorex, Castle Hedingham, Essex. ISBN 0951854348). On page 11 she talks about how in 1295 all monastic houses within 13 miles of the coast and sending money back to their mother houses in France were re-sited to within not 20 miles of the coast. And how in 1391 Richard II dissolved all 'alien' religious houses in the country, "the first dissolution of houses in this country". Is this a well known fact and could it be regarded as an earlier dissolution? Is it worth mentioning on this page or else where? Thanks Pluke 16:42, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
There were several prior dissolutions of monastic houses. What you are refering to is the dissolution of the Alien Priories. These were small monasteries, sometimes merely estates, that belonged to French abbeys as a result of donations after the Norman conquest. As a consequence of the 100 Years War they were siezed by the government during the 14th century as enemy property and put under administration to prevent the income going abroad to France. During the early 15th some became naturalised (for example Lewes, Castle Acre) and continued to exist while others were taken by the crown and either given to other foundations (Eton College and Syon abbey for example were major beneficiaries) otr to roayal cronies. The the fate of the Alien Priories should definitely be mentioned as it's an important legal precedent for Henry's actions, as indeed should the early 16th century dissolutions for educational purposes. Contemporary dissolutions in Germany, Switzerland and Scandinavia should also be mentioned. I must say that I think that this article needs a thorough rewrite. Soph 13:53, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
I see there is a redlink at "the First Suppression Act (1536) and the Second Suppression Act (1539)." I feel this current article is incomplete without paragraphs discussing the contents of these two acts, and that separate articles might not really serve the Wikipedia reader at this stage. -- Wetman 18:09, 24 October 2007 (UTC).
I have tagged this article with {{ globalize/UK}}, because it seems to say very little about the dissolution in Ireland, although there is quite a lot on the dissolution in England. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 18:07, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
the article did appear to be skewed by a POV that did not reflect current scholarship. I have suggested a number of changes, but am sure that further improvement is needed. TomHennell ( talk) 12:28, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
I have removed the para below, as I am not sure it adds anything to the context, and its claims regarding the position of Cardinal Pole in leading resistance to dissolution, I believe to be historically unfounded. Pole was certainly a strong defender of Catherine of Aragon against the divorce; and also a critic of the Royal Supremacy. But his views on the current state of the religious life were generally very critical; indeed the strictures expressed by the Consilium de Emendanda Ecclesia were gleefully quoted by the proponents of dissolution. Moreover, the reference to "Catholic loyalists" seems off the mark - in that the most loyal of Catholics (as Stephen Gardiner tended to favour both the Royal Supremacy and the Dissolution. Undoubtedly Henry was paranoid in his tendancy to regard all forms of monastic resistance as covert treason - but nevertheless some degree of opposition to the secular order was often present. A person who opposes royal authority cannot easily be termed a "loyalist". But what do others think? TomHennell ( talk) 20:31, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
I find this part of the context section (as well as a great deal more of it) to be hopelessly biased. To my knowledge, there is no way that such statements can be made so holistically about monasticism in England. At the top of the article, it says there were some 825 religious communities that were dissolved by Henry VIII. A statement that claims few monks or nuns set standards of ascetic piety or religious observance, must have a source in my opinion. It would have been impossible to know about the lifestyles of the monks and nuns of more than 800 communities. Furthermore, every religious order sets standards on piety and observance, it is another matter if they follow them. This unsourced statement claims that most of the monastic orders in England didn't even set standards regarding religious observance???? Even though religious observance would be the main reason for them at all. Im therefore removing this line. If someone wants the statement to remain, I suggest you find a legitimate source that speaks to the lack of any standards of piety or religious observance across the entirety of monasticism in England.
I have substantially revised the main section to clarify the distinction between the Vistitaiion of the Monasteries and the Valor Ecclesiasticus; and to bring the article into line with recent academic research, which tends to regard the initial stages of the process as arising from Henry's wish for monastic reform (albeit one that would close a high proportion of monastic houses), with the decision to seek total dissolution only following the Pilgrimage of Grace. TomHennell ( talk) 16:45, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
I have reverted the following addition: Last but not least, it was the invention of the printing press in the early 16th century that made the dissolution of the monestaries a feasible course of action for the king. Its invention made redundant the most critical service the monasteries rendered - the painstaking copying of texts by hand. The printing press was invented in the 15th century. By the 15th century, monasteries had ceased to copy manuscripts, which was done by secular professional copyists. In this period, the decline in numbers meant that for the overwhelming majority of monasteries, it was as much as could be done to maintain the regular monastic office (and even then the night offices were commonly re-arranged into daylight hours). TomHennell ( talk) 23:37, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
Doesn't the First and Second Suppression Acts make this a legal seizure? Wouldn't a citation here be unnecessary?
All of which brings to mind Joseph Stalin's campaign against the Orthodox Church in Russia 400 years later. I wonder if Stalin studied or was inspired by Henry's history here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.16.188.200 ( talk) 16:04, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
BBC Radio 4's In Our Time is a 45 minute discussion programme about the history of ideas, with three eminent academics in their field, hosted by Melvyn Bragg. Each edition deals with one subject from one of the following fields: philosophy, science, religion, culture and historical events. It is akin to a seminar. The entire archive going back to 1998 is now available online in perpetuity.
An edition about the dissolution of the monasteries was broadcast with Diarmaid MacCulloch, Professor of the History of the Church at Oxford University; Diane Purkiss, Fellow and Tutor at Keble College, Oxford; George Bernard, Professor of Early Modern History at the University of Southampton.
You can listen to the programme on this link: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b009jtq1. Would you be able to include this as an external link?-- Herk1955 ( talk) 10:55, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
Henry VIII promised the English people like any slippery modern politician that the confiscation of the church lands would benefit the people by allowing the government to lower taxes for all time. Anyone who thinks the dissolution of the monasteries was a legal and just act by the state, deserves to live in a country where this is still the norm. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.34.4.232 ( talk) 00:47, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
This article has been transmogrified into an impressive essay. I almost felt like congratulating the fellow contributors; however it is an ill-conceived effort as this is an encyclopaedia. It needs to be rectified to meet relevant criteria for Wikipedia. For more details please see here: Encyclopedic style. Mootros ( talk) 19:10, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
A long essay at that. This article doesn't look incredibly long to anyone else? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.169.212.26 ( talk) 03:25, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
This is poor. Perhaps someone would like to remove or improve.
Henry didn't agree with the monks the nuns so he shut down all the monasteries (Where they lived) he then sold the land the monasteries had been on and earn money from it. Lots of the people didn't agree with it but they had to or would suffer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.172.180.242 ( talk) 07:47, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
I have removed a chunk of the first paragraph which was more or less saying that Henry was right to dissolve the monasteries because they were guzzling up all the dosh:
I have restored the paragraph; with the sources cited. These are simple statements of fact, taken from the Valor Ecclesiasticus and entirely appropriate to the article. TomHennell ( talk) 21:20, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
This article is too long; any reader desiring an overview of the subject matter will be sorely disappointed.
Also, whoever wrote the article has no idea, or chose simply to ignore, how semi-colons are actually used in standard English prose. The unorthodox punctuation is extremely distracting.
I know it is referenced (endnote 1), but the quote that one man in 50 was in a monastery is incorrect. The population was about 3 million, which means about 1.5 m men - and if 10,000 were "religious" (I mean in the technical sense) then that is one in 150 - even if we exclude childre that would still be one in a hundred, at most. I suggest a note to qualify the reference. Ncox ( talk) 17:43, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
In such a panoramic article as this, it would be interesting if on-record figures could be given for the numbers of monks etc who were executed or died otherwise in captivity, as well as those non-monastics executed for participation in the Pilgrimage of Grace and other anti dissolution protests (a check of the article on the latter shows out of 216 executions consequent there were 6 abbots and 38 monks put to death). It would be interesting certainly for context against the numbers of living monastics given earlier in the page and to answer the question as to how bloody this change was (I suspect dramas such as The Tudors exaggerate the loss of life). Cloptonson ( talk) 05:25, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Dissolution of the monasteries/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
I have graded the importance of these articles as follows: High Importance Catholicism Project and High importance Anglicanism project. Reasoning:
Henry VIII dissolved the monasteries – obstensibly to rid the Kingdom of corrupt priests and monks – but mainly because he wanted the money for himself. Regardless, the dissolution saw the effective end of Papal authority in England. Henry was already Head of the Church of England, but the dissolution acted as a visual national confirmation that Papal authority over Royal Supremacy would no longer be tolerated. The same visual national confirmation saw the rise of Anglicanism in England. Although a complete church settlement did not appear until the next generation, the dissolution of the monasteries scared clergymen into conversions. The leanings of Henry's chief minister, Thomas Cromwell, gave strength to the rise of Anglicanism; the dissolution had been organised by he himself. |
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The result of the move request was: not moved. There is a consensus that the current name is the commonly-used name for this event, rather than the descriptive name proposed. ( closed by page mover) Brad v 01:56, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
Dissolution of the Monasteries → Monasteries suppressed under the English Reformation – Monasteries should not be capitalised. What or when is "the" Monasteries? Needs an historical context. Needs a geographical disambiguator. Agrees with categories like Category:Monasteries suppressed under the Irish Reformation, Category:Monasteries suppressed under the Scottish Reformation and Category:Monasteries suppressed under the Icelandic Reformation. Laurel Lodged ( talk) 20:59, 3 December 2017 (UTC) 20:59, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Vpab15 ( talk) 18:39, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
Dissolution of the Monasteries → Dissolution of the monasteries – Not consistently capitalized in reliable sources as required by MOS:CAPS. ( t · c) buidhe 05:54, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
What did the monks say to King Henry the 8th to try and convince him to keep the monasteries 2A00:23C6:1E31:8B01:448D:9AE3:F469:4ACC ( talk) 18:15, 26 September 2023 (UTC)