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I think this "disconnection" is a more loose concept than described here in that it applies to other religious cults too. I've come across it in Jehova's Witnesses in particular, but I think one of the features of a cult is members are encourage to cut themselves off from outsiders and outside influence that might set them straight. But this needs to be cited appropriately, etc. — Dunc| ☺ 17:14, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
Bantab, what's the point in creating a useless stub that just adds an extra layer on manual indirection to get to the Disconnection (Scientoloy), or what ever it was called, page? Other religions do have policy like Scientology's disconnection, but I don't know of any that call it that. Unless there's actual name confusion, there's no point in moving pages around. There is a reference to the Shunning page. If you'd like it enhanced, that would be a small change. All the Scientology pages are over 100 hundred interlocked pages that would have to be updated to point to the correct page. That would be a large change. In any event, Talk pages exist for a reason. AndroidCat 02:09, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
In chemistry the term "Disconnection" is used about different possibilities on how to synthesize some target molecule. See for example Stuart Warren: "Organic Synthesis, The Disconnection Approach".
Disconnection is the process of chopping a complicated molecule into smaller and cheaper components that the complicated molecule can be made from. 130.225.245.182 20:30, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
I would agree.-- Fahrenheit451 16:45, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
Scientology isn't usually what I think of when I think of someone being "disconnected" .... Oddity- ( talk) 13:40, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
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I don't necessarily think that there are too many quotes, just that they are formatted oddly and could perhaps be better incorporated in prose in some kind of paragraph format. The article as a whole needs cleanup. Cirt ( talk) 17:57, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
Would someone with an account please rename this to Disconnection (Scientology). The term "disconnection" is way too common in other usages for that distinction to not be made - see the earlier thread here. -- 65.87.105.7 ( talk) 16:42, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Two good-faith edits have been made by anonymous users. I think what they add is dubious.
"Though the term is relatively new, it is not a new concept." - not clear what this adds. It could be said about just about anything.
"The practice of disconnection is a form of religious shunning, and the most well known form is excommunication, by the Roman Catholic Church. It is unknown whether this is what inspired the practice." - material after "shunning" was added. Disconnection in Scientology is fundamentally different from excommunication: the latter involves separation from the Church and from some religious practices, but Disconnection is severance of communication with believers, not just with the organisation itself. to have this parallel drawn in the first paragraph is not going to help, or at worst will mislead, someone trying to understand what the Disconnection policy is. If the link to shunning is left in, then it will lead readers to information about excommunication anyway. MartinPoulter ( talk) 22:35, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
I have made a couple of additions to the article, which can be sourced to Introduction to Scientology Ethics. I have other Scientology books which I may use as sources, but sadly I only have the Latin American Spanish editions (I live in Mexico). While content is translated verbatim, but page numbers may differ. Is it OK to continue adding this material? > RUL3R> trolling> vandalism 06:57, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
Is there really a need for such a large amount of examples? I would have thought that two or three would have sufficed. The division between 60's & 80's onwards seems arbitrary. 93.107.142.64 ( talk) 10:48, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
The citation for the Scientology enterprise's "disconnection" practices is not suitable, it links to the Scientology organization and does not cover Scientology's actual disconnection policies. If nobody objects, I would like to revert that edit and locate a suitable reference. Damotclese ( talk) 16:47, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: Moved as proposed per consensus. ( non-admin closure) – Ammarpad ( talk) 05:51, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
– Really not seeing how this is the primary topic. Google doesn't have any Scientology-related results on the first few pages, instead bringing up results about electronic devices and emotional detachment, and this word seems more commonly used in those contexts. Case in point:searching for the word on Wikipedia ( "disconnection"&title=Special:Search&profile=advanced&fulltext=1&advancedSearch-current=%7B%7D&ns0=1 en.wikipedia.org/?sort=relevance&search="disconnection"&title=Special:Search&profile=advanced&fulltext=1&advancedSearch-current=%7B%7D&ns0=1) also brings up barely any results related to religion or Scientology. ⓋᎯ☧ǿᖇǥ@ℤε 💬 12:55, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
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I think this "disconnection" is a more loose concept than described here in that it applies to other religious cults too. I've come across it in Jehova's Witnesses in particular, but I think one of the features of a cult is members are encourage to cut themselves off from outsiders and outside influence that might set them straight. But this needs to be cited appropriately, etc. — Dunc| ☺ 17:14, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
Bantab, what's the point in creating a useless stub that just adds an extra layer on manual indirection to get to the Disconnection (Scientoloy), or what ever it was called, page? Other religions do have policy like Scientology's disconnection, but I don't know of any that call it that. Unless there's actual name confusion, there's no point in moving pages around. There is a reference to the Shunning page. If you'd like it enhanced, that would be a small change. All the Scientology pages are over 100 hundred interlocked pages that would have to be updated to point to the correct page. That would be a large change. In any event, Talk pages exist for a reason. AndroidCat 02:09, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
In chemistry the term "Disconnection" is used about different possibilities on how to synthesize some target molecule. See for example Stuart Warren: "Organic Synthesis, The Disconnection Approach".
Disconnection is the process of chopping a complicated molecule into smaller and cheaper components that the complicated molecule can be made from. 130.225.245.182 20:30, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
I would agree.-- Fahrenheit451 16:45, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
Scientology isn't usually what I think of when I think of someone being "disconnected" .... Oddity- ( talk) 13:40, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Jacobsen, Jonny (
2008-01-28).
"Niece of Scientology's leader backs Cruise biography".
AFP.
Yahoo! News. Retrieved 2008-01-28. {{
cite web}}
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(
help)
I don't necessarily think that there are too many quotes, just that they are formatted oddly and could perhaps be better incorporated in prose in some kind of paragraph format. The article as a whole needs cleanup. Cirt ( talk) 17:57, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
Would someone with an account please rename this to Disconnection (Scientology). The term "disconnection" is way too common in other usages for that distinction to not be made - see the earlier thread here. -- 65.87.105.7 ( talk) 16:42, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Two good-faith edits have been made by anonymous users. I think what they add is dubious.
"Though the term is relatively new, it is not a new concept." - not clear what this adds. It could be said about just about anything.
"The practice of disconnection is a form of religious shunning, and the most well known form is excommunication, by the Roman Catholic Church. It is unknown whether this is what inspired the practice." - material after "shunning" was added. Disconnection in Scientology is fundamentally different from excommunication: the latter involves separation from the Church and from some religious practices, but Disconnection is severance of communication with believers, not just with the organisation itself. to have this parallel drawn in the first paragraph is not going to help, or at worst will mislead, someone trying to understand what the Disconnection policy is. If the link to shunning is left in, then it will lead readers to information about excommunication anyway. MartinPoulter ( talk) 22:35, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
I have made a couple of additions to the article, which can be sourced to Introduction to Scientology Ethics. I have other Scientology books which I may use as sources, but sadly I only have the Latin American Spanish editions (I live in Mexico). While content is translated verbatim, but page numbers may differ. Is it OK to continue adding this material? > RUL3R> trolling> vandalism 06:57, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
Is there really a need for such a large amount of examples? I would have thought that two or three would have sufficed. The division between 60's & 80's onwards seems arbitrary. 93.107.142.64 ( talk) 10:48, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
The citation for the Scientology enterprise's "disconnection" practices is not suitable, it links to the Scientology organization and does not cover Scientology's actual disconnection policies. If nobody objects, I would like to revert that edit and locate a suitable reference. Damotclese ( talk) 16:47, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: Moved as proposed per consensus. ( non-admin closure) – Ammarpad ( talk) 05:51, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
– Really not seeing how this is the primary topic. Google doesn't have any Scientology-related results on the first few pages, instead bringing up results about electronic devices and emotional detachment, and this word seems more commonly used in those contexts. Case in point:searching for the word on Wikipedia ( "disconnection"&title=Special:Search&profile=advanced&fulltext=1&advancedSearch-current=%7B%7D&ns0=1 en.wikipedia.org/?sort=relevance&search="disconnection"&title=Special:Search&profile=advanced&fulltext=1&advancedSearch-current=%7B%7D&ns0=1) also brings up barely any results related to religion or Scientology. ⓋᎯ☧ǿᖇǥ@ℤε 💬 12:55, 29 February 2020 (UTC)